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Topic: fearing the unknown
Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sat 04/12/08 10:14 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate.

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 10:22 PM
Please do not take me wrong, of course sin and hell are realities that can't be overlooked. Sin is a term only defined by religious doctrine, and depending on the religion, it is defined many different ways and a very misunderstood term. I fail to agree that it is a "reality" that "can't be overlooked," But The word is meaningless to me. Hell, as understood by Christians, is an imaginary place, or a place believed to be located on the astral plane, or maybe underground in Africa somewhere, but you could describe Hell as mental anguish, or even this reality we currently live in if you want. Personally I have never been to Hell, but I do know people who claim they have, so I can't be sure it does not actually exist..somewhere. I do know that there is a town named Hell, and you can even go there by bus or car. (I think its in Michigan, but I don't think that is where all "sinners" are going.) But Sin and Hell are not generally considered "Realities" by people who do not live under religious doctrine, although we do know what you mean by these terms. Hell is a very real place to christians, We are not playing make believe about heaven and hell, Those things are spiritual Not of this world, there is only one true word, YES there are many differnt religions,the Global warming thing is a religion 'FOR SOME PEOPLE' someone can be Religios about any thing, whatever thay choose. If 20 differnt people wore asked the same question about what the days date was and they all gave differnt answers and defined the truth differntly it would not change what the truth really is, the date would be the same, no matter what they believe. People can claim whatever religion they want and define the truth however thay choose, BUT it will not change the way things really are.claming that the bible says something other than what it says, dose not change what it says. If someones name was joe and i called him tom, it would not change his name. Even if i misunderstood what joes name was it would not change what it really was.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sat 04/12/08 10:22 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. Rebuttal? I have read every one of your posts. They are full of demeaning put downs, attacks, and some of the most negative reading I have ever endured. Your deep hatred of Christianity and Christians is blatantly obvious and the sheep's clothing you try to hide behind should be larger than a yarn thread. It would be more believable if it were. Have a great night abra, I hope tomorrow will be a better day for you. Peace.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 04/12/08 10:24 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 04/12/08 10:27 PM
Matthew 18? 15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. I like how the Bible considers Tax Collectors to be the lowest scum on the earth next to "gentiles." Yet today, Christians pay their taxes faithfully and they are all "gentiles" and yet they still hold the Bible as their Holy word. That does not make any sense to me. JB As I understand it the Jews are God's chosen as well as Christian Gntiles. As far as taxes go Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Jesus was just being diplomatic at the time if he indeed ever said that. (I don't know that he did, as I think the entire new testament is a forgery and a fabrication.) The so-called "chosen people" are said to be the Jews, descendants of Abraham (~~if indeed there even was an Abraham, some claim that he was made up character) Gentiles are looked upon as lower animals, tax collectors, are evil men. Any inclusion of gentiles in later religious doctrine as being the "chosen people" was for diplomatic purposes of the Roman Empire. Besides, why would a loving God only have a small group of humans as his favorite "chosen people?" Makes no sense to me at all. Not logical, can't be proven, does not wash.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 04/12/08 10:31 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. Rebuttal? I have read every one of your posts. They are full of demeaning put downs, attacks, and some of the most negative reading I have ever endured. Your deep hatred of Christianity and Christians is blatantly obvious and the sheep's clothing you try to hide behind should be larger than a yarn thread. It would be more believable if it were. Have a great night abra, I hope tomorrow will be a better day for you. Peace. I read most of Abra's posts and I see no hatred in them. I see logic and I see his cause for his logic. I see his issues and his determination to make his statement in direct and strong opposition to what Christians preach constantly in general terms. If you see hatred in his posts, it could be your own hatred of his views and his rejection of your core beliefs that are reflecting back at you. Drop your defenses and try to understand why he says what he says. JB

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 10:35 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. U didnt understand the bible at all. The only point u made was to show that u dont know anything about christianity, GOD created man god is much greater than his own creation, If u had really read the bible u would know that the clay pot dosnt claim to be better than the man that made it, HOW much greater the maker is than a clay pot,the bible dose say this. GOD dosent use violence and blood shed to solve problems, men use violence and murder to try 2 solve the problems thay have because thay wont do gods will.

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 10:39 PM
ARE u still here? see what u started?

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sat 04/12/08 10:41 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sat 04/12/08 10:45 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. Rebuttal? I have read every one of your posts. They are full of demeaning put downs, attacks, and some of the most negative reading I have ever endured. Your deep hatred of Christianity and Christians is blatantly obvious and the sheep's clothing you try to hide behind should be larger than a yarn thread. It would be more believable if it were. Have a great night abra, I hope tomorrow will be a better day for you. Peace. Zap...even though I do not agree with Abra.... and even though I sometimes get a little tuff with him..........Abra is still loved here.....and he is as welcome to share his beliefs here...as well as anyone else is.....even if we all don't agree. God ain't done with Abra..or with me..or with you...or with anyone yet..... Who knows.....Abra could still surprise us all.....and become the greatest Christian composer of all times...

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 04/12/08 10:46 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 04/12/08 10:47 PM
ARE u still here? see what u started? I wish you would take the time to type "you" instead of u. I hate that. eeewwwww. It's just annoying.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sat 04/12/08 10:47 PM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. Rebuttal? I have read every one of your posts. They are full of demeaning put downs, attacks, and some of the most negative reading I have ever endured. Your deep hatred of Christianity and Christians is blatantly obvious and the sheep's clothing you try to hide behind should be larger than a yarn thread. It would be more believable if it were. Have a great night abra, I hope tomorrow will be a better day for you. Peace. I read most of Abra's posts and I see no hatred in them. I see logic and I see his cause for his logic. I see his issues and his determination to make his statement in direct and strong opposition to what Christians preach constantly in general terms. If you see hatred in his posts, it could be your own hatred of his views and his rejection of your core beliefs that are reflecting back at you. Drop your defenses and try to understand why he says what he says. JB I disagree. It has nothing to do with defenses. It has everything to do with constructive rather than destructive dialog. Thanks for standing in for him though.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sat 04/12/08 10:50 PM
You know Jews is 1 tribe the tribe of Judah.Thier were 12 sons of Israel. Dan seems to of fallen from grace and Mannasseh and Ephriam took over from Josephs integrity. James speaks to them Peter refers to the brethern in babylon. The New Jerusalem has all 12 thier. As gates to the cities and all have Royal Gems coats of Honor. So why has religion just seem to forget everyone else. Yahshua is the Testimony in the New Testament and Joseph is called that in iether Ps 81 or 83 i forget. Pretty high honor the tribe of Joseph has . His sons were even adopted as 2 of the 12 sons. So why is it always the JEWS.They rejected Yahshua..Blessings..Miles

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 10:51 PM Edited by sethwyo on Sat 04/12/08 11:01 PM
I'm really glad i came here tonight, As one piece of iron sharpens another so one man sharpens another, We learn things from talking to each other. I hope everyone understood that i was only doing some satire pretending to be a judgmental nazie about yashafox and his boxes.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sat 04/12/08 10:52 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sat 04/12/08 10:55 PM
Sethwyo....I just read your last couple of responses here. Excellent!! Abra...read what Sethwyo wrote in this thread.....he clarifies things rather well.

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 10:53 PM
ARE u still here? see what u started? I wish you would take the time to type "you" instead of u. I hate that. eeewwwww. It's just annoying. So U do HATE.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 04/12/08 10:54 PM
I disagree. It has nothing to do with defenses. It has everything to do with constructive rather than destructive dialog. wink Thanks for standing in for him though. What is destructive about his dialog? It seems logical to me. He speaks logic against an illogical religious doctrine. He opposes and rejects the Bible and all the twisted and different religious ideas that have resulted from all the different interpretations of it. Why would you think that logic is destructive? He may be harsh in his words, but then so are some Christians. What does he destroy? Your faith? Your beliefs? Is that why you get defensive? JB

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 04/12/08 10:56 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 04/12/08 10:59 PM
ARE u still here? see what u started? I wish you would take the time to type "you" instead of u. I hate that. eeewwwww. It's just annoying. So U do HATE. No, I just think you are lazy if you can't spell the word you. Its just bad form. Like typing in all caps. JB P.S. Why do you see hate in everyone else?

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sat 04/12/08 11:07 PM
ARE u still here? see what u started? I wish you would take the time to type "you" instead of u. I hate that. eeewwwww. It's just annoying. So U do HATE. OK Sethwyo.. you made some excellent points earlier, which I also pointed out. But ..let's not judge one another now... flowerforyou: I for one, may say things here to make others think...but I hope it is always done in a spirit of love..and not judgment.... and if I ever sound judgmental, my sincerest apologies . :( May we always try to reply to each other here, in a spirit of love...even if we don't agree. Again..God ain't done with any of us.....

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 11:22 PM Edited by sethwyo on Sat 04/12/08 11:28 PM
Sethwyo....I just read your last couple of responses here. Excellent!! Abra...read what Sethwyo wrote in this thread.....he clarifies things rather well. Well i was trying to understand better 4 myself, I have been working on diesel motors, I went and spoke 2 a mechanic about it, after a while he told me he didnt know why i was talking 2 him since i already knew how 2 do it, with any kind of project It is good to bring in someone else who knows how 2 do it, U can never have enough knowledge, learning new and better ways 2 look at things and go about achiving them, Always try 2 better myself, 2 become more, I do see a need 4 improvment in myself. I am at least trying to understand. Im glad god aint done with me yet, cause i got a loooong way 2 go. Keep up the good work!

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sun 04/13/08 06:04 AM
I disagree. It has nothing to do with defenses. It has everything to do with constructive rather than destructive dialog. wink Thanks for standing in for him though. What is destructive about his dialog? It seems logical to me. He speaks logic against an illogical religious doctrine. He opposes and rejects the Bible and all the twisted and different religious ideas that have resulted from all the different interpretations of it. Why would you think that logic is destructive? He may be harsh in his words, but then so are some Christians. What does he destroy? Your faith? Your beliefs? Is that why you get defensive? JB Thanks for your comments JB. I disagree. And I would bring and have brought it to the attention of the "harsh" Christians as well. Let us hope that you would come to their defense as well?

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 04/13/08 07:18 AM Edited by yzrabbit1 on Sun 04/13/08 07:25 AM
Ah abra, so much hate, so little time eh? Every time someone makes a really good point about Christianity it’s always referred to as hate. When you can't rebutt, just pass it off as hate. U didnt understand the bible at all. The only point u made was to show that u dont know anything about christianity, GOD created man god is much greater than his own creation, If u had really read the bible u would know that the clay pot dosnt claim to be better than the man that made it, HOW much greater the maker is than a clay pot,the bible dose say this. GOD dosent use violence and blood shed to solve problems, men use violence and murder to try 2 solve the problems thay have because thay wont do gods will. I hate to speak for Abra because he speaks so well for himself but I can touch a few of these. He agrees that God must be greater then the thing he created. However the God of the Bible will send some of his children to Hell forever. I as a regular Joe would never do that to any of my children no mater what they did. That makes me more ,kind,more loving then the God of the Bible. Which you point out correctly is impossible. That means then the God in the Bible is not real. Then to your point that God does NOT use violence and blood shed. This really surprises me that you would say this. It is all through the book. I will give you the most famous and easy to point out. One day in Egypt God wanted to show one single man that he should not ignore God. God killed all the first born of all of Egypt. Innocent and Guilty alike died just to make sure that this one man got the message. Mothers went to bed with there first born Baby in there arms sleeping peacefully and woke up the next day to a cold dead corps.