Love you too Soufie!!

Happy Thanksgiving Y'all!!!

anyone that thinks statistics don't apply to them

You'd be foolish not to use statistics....

if 50% of parachutes fail to open when packed by a certain individual 80% of the time - are you jumping out of that plane, or are you gonna keep your azz on the ground?

It might be packed by one of the other 20%. As exciting as it could be, the risk is higher than the reward.

That's a good idea!

All I will say about it, is that it was amicable. She comes over to my house often. I don't have a bad taste in my mouth.

Women initiate 70-80% of divorces, so your brother thing doesn't surprise me. How did he make out?

Ok ladies!
Good guy explained why.... don't ask questions you don't want the answers to.

We happen to be subject matter experts...because we are men! You ladies want to give each other advice about us, instead of taking the words from the horse's mouth - that's on you!

I guess "More Cash wealth and material Possessions" is completely different than Rich!

You know some... good for you! I speak in generizations because what is the point on speaking to the exception of the rule?

I wasn't suggesting that a woman shouldn't work...

I was suggesting that it's a man's job to provide and protect - and in her case there would be resentment on both side, because if the man is not acting a man... there will be inevitable resentment because if he's honest with himself, he sees himself as inadequate and she may be wearing the pants, making him feel less of a man.

And for her, her good friends and family should be pointing that out for her - and when she comes to her senses, she will realize he is no man at all.

She's gone now, so it made no difference!

I actually already believe you!

I'm not sure that's necessarily true, as a generalization.

Usually, the man is the bread winner - historically because of social norms, and because women are hypergamous.

I think what you speak to is, a power dynamic that men usually had; therefor, men having the control of the relationship. But in my estimation, mother nature balanced this power by:

- women having the power to choose the mate.
Men hit on women, they have the privilege of accepting or refusing.

- men having the power to control the relationship. They are the ones expected to propose. They are also the ones that get to be the players.

I feel as though in your anecdotal perspective, there would have been inevitably resentment on both sides, had it played out long enough. It doesn't matter who ended it. But you're right, in that they would resent it, because they failed as a man - but you'd resent them too because chances are, you're looking for a man.

Proof!

Nine of the 10 richest women inherited their fortunes, either from fathers, husbands or in one case, mother.

This is on a big end of the scale - if you think that these women are doing on their own, you're delusional.

The fact that you brought this up, solidifies one of Goodguy's point on why men are reluctant to marry

Proud and pride....semantics. Means the same.
Yes, you are correct about the 7

Do we need one?

He's not wrong...

I think that the age is also a supporting factor. I think marriage is a young people's game. I feel that it's about building a life and a great foundation for making children.

At 52, there's not much left to build, and with having children, that door has been pretty much closed and locked. So what is left to marriage that a regular "shacking up" doesn't have?

And what does that leave men's purpose/reasoning for marriage, when all the truisms of Goodguy's explanation exists?

There's a huge difference in finding good in things and pride - just sayin

Lotsa good advice, Julie. But some shltty advice was slipped in. I like and respect you, that's why it pains me to have to point this out - but I think it's important to point this out...

- While I agree it's "cool" for a woman to be a virgin I don't necessarily think they should try to stay virgins. They should be finding a husband and partner to do life with, make babies and stay immortal. I think that's really important to stress, which brings me to my second point

- I don't think you should compromise virtues or values either... but I think they should be realistic. You were saying something about Mr. Perfect, when Mr. Perfect doesn't exist. Hell, Mr.Perfect for her, doesn't exist. Nobody is perfect, and if one thinks that they have no faults of their own, or that a relationship doesn't have it's trials - they are delusional

- Last one! I don't think there should be a carte blanche on "act on feelings" There should be a lot of logic used when making decisions. Feelings change by the hour or even hormone level with women. Logic never changes.

Damn patriarchy

yet you join the forums... ironic