Thank you!!!

It's nice to know that someone actually understood the question!
My question although perhaps silly was how does this affect the subconscious of the christian that does believe this, if indeed they are creating their own afterlife in their own consciousness after death? (Obviously this falls outside of the average Christian belief system and would only apply to someone personifying the devil and god.) Would it still be ineffectual, or would this person in their own mind be giving their claimed eneymy power simply be believing it had more followers?

Ah but you see that is just it. I am a non Christian and I do follow the lessons of Jesus, but I disbelieve in the Christian mentality of cultural seperatism and slavery or prejudice and I believe it is an abomination against his teachings.

I am very for his teachings, I am very against a church that insults his teachings at every turn while claiming to be "saved" and the one true path. That is a big part of what this falst idol and false god concept is about.

How many are true Christians following Christ, and how many are worshiping the church, the words of the church, or the bible as icons without honoring the spirit of the god they claim to love, or the Christ they claim to follow?

Who BTW gave anyone the authority to decide that all ways of all spiritual paths are condemened affording special privilage to the followings of one cultural source? Per this belief all in the history of the earth were damned until the anglo population invaded the entire world and then properly enslaved them and "saved" their souls (or killed them). If The creator reveals a different face to those in a different part of the world why are they dammed by knowing a different face or aspect, or a different begotten son? I think the whole ownership of god concept by Christians is false pride and cultural genocide.

Tapestries from the far east include gods and are very beautiful I've been known to use them as backdrops. I spent a lot of time looking to make sure I liked the items, but I bought them for what they represent.

Jewelry and clothes are meant for display, my statutes and reliefs are for display.

Many of my spiritual items are on display on the walls, on shelves. Almost everrything is in it's place of storage as a working item or religious prop rather than existing only as a display.

Ok well this falls into an area I've been in discussions about on this forum this week.

I personally believe that what is in your mind and what you proffess can be two completely different things. This means that a proffessed Christian, and a true follower of the lessons of Christ can be two different things, or the same thing depending on the person and their application.

Along with that, each person also seems to have different interpretaions about what Christ means to them. It is up to the individual to be a Christian by trying to reflect the teachings of Christ in their heart. I believe simple profession of being Christian is meaningless. The reason I believe this comes from both the story of Cain and Able, and from Matthew 23 where Jesus discusses Pharisees.

True intent, and the content of one's heart, and one's purpose in action means more in the eyes of your God and Christ than false proclaimations. I believe this to mean that what is in one's heart is more important than proffession so although all Christians proffess the same, only those that have true acceptance and truly seek to follow the lessons of Christ are saved. I personally disbelieve the saved by proffesion loophole as the tool of the preachings of man rather than Christ or the Christian God in order to steal people away from the path of truly following Christ.

This is of course, my personal opinion and belief. The bible has quite a bit to say about pride and to be honest we all have the same reason to avoid false pride because it is in essense false. Each person must find their own answers I believe true religion and spirituality both lack a free ticket for anyone.

ok well you have me there...but I always thought the movement towards enlightment was the movement towards right action

If someone sets aside the teachings of Christ, or even of the creator, and instead follows the teachings of man, or worships the bible or church as an institution that tells them how to behave disregarding the teachings of Christ are they Christians following Christ and worhsiping the creator, or are they worshiping a false god?

For this to be about all christians it would assume that all christians think the same. We know this to be wrong by mere fact concerning all of the differences in individual belief. There are the Catholics and the protestants, there is a COE, and many many demoninations and different divisions within denominations. It's obvious that everyone sees things differently.

I am only the enemy if you make me the enemy it's your choice. Just keep in mind that I have the same inherent right to violently defend myself as you do.

It is bizzare, moreso for me than you because this week is the first time I thought of any of this to be honest. It's the first time it occured to me that there was a false god within the realm of christianity.

And so far as the spirit in question it is OTHER THAN YOUR GOD which is the creator of the universe. It is about a false god imposter. It became very clear when JB responded that the question itself is more complicated and harder to understand than I originally thought when I created the post. When I created the post I had this all firmly in my head, but explaining it is a bit more complicated and I was suprised to see you respond simply because most of your answers are bliblical in nature, and this goes more into a parapsychology view of a spirit claiming to be a god, or a false god.

Although I understand the source of confusion because my language has not been completely clear at some points if understood correctly the question goes without opposition to the bible. Regardless of how the bible defines spirits itself it contains many warnings about false gods which opens the possibility of this discussion.

One source of confusion is that I may be anti-christian, or against the following of Christ. In reality I am against conformity of the soul, or possesion of the soul, and believe that if someone wishes to follow the teachings of Christ they should do so and divorce themselves from the fear, hate, and prejudice of man. Unfortunately this isn't an easy thing for a human being to do.

The question, or the answering of the question, requires that one can accept the qualifiers, or willingly suspend their disbelief long enough to give a logical or intuitive answer to the paradox from their own point of view independent of teachings in the bible which lacks any lessons about dealing with spirits of whatever form other than gods. For the purpose of Christian teachings understanding this requires that you accept that at least some Christians may be following a false god by worshiping the church, representatives of the church, or the word of man assumed to be the word of god.

I understand it isn't an easy topic, and even understanding the nature of the question can be difficult, but it is a solid question that I am not so sure we can answer. I was curious if anyone had any thoughts though.

Well actually it relates to worship of the church or the bible as opposed to the worship of Christ or the creator.

The theory is that even if those that worship the church believe they are worshiping the creator that they may be empowering yet another spirt. Whether this would be their own devil or a false god is unknown so I was thinking it's more likely an alternate spirit.

So by this narrow incorrect form of worship that follows christianity but is the worship of man or the word of man or concept of man rather than the true creator power, even if they were thinking they were worshiping the creator they have created a new "god" of their own. Regardless of name my point was, that if this false god had stepped in and fooled these people into worshiping man (his word, or his concept) and that if this false god was in opposition of the Devil which everyone DOES seem to be clear on, then the idea of everyone other than a christian being the enemy would put favor on the side of the Devil.

In essense I am unsure if I ever thought of this quite this way before this discussion forum, because this week is the first time it occured to me people might be worshiping a church or a book rather than an actual creator force.

I was just trying to resolve a paradox that was created in my mind, by exposure to thoughts from this board.

If you want to respresent Christianity I am sure the rest of the christians would like it if you learn to read and comprehend. You don't sound like a Christian at all when you do this you sound like a non christian trying to make Christians look bad. In the original post I said:

"Spirits feed off energy. If for any reason the Christians were mislead and rather than following the creator are following a named or identified spirit it draws stregth from their belief which gives it it's power. I understand this is other than what the bible teaches this is spiritual philosophy having to do with independent spirits. "

Now if you can not read that statement with it's complexities you have no business answering the question. I am openly inviting people to give an honest answer but to answer they must answer the question rather than make a question up in their head, or demonstrate that they did not read all of the qualifiers. And quite frankly this goes along with the teachings of the bible and of Jesus maybe you just haven't caught on yet. A false god is a false god even if it is claiming to be the one creator. If I parade around main street dressed in a sheet calling myself the creator of the universe do you think that MAKES me creator of the universe? Of course not you know better. My point is that their is by definition what makes the creator the creator, and the entire question revolves around something else.

I am unsure why you get so angry when these things are discussed, but in reality most of what i say here although can be misunderstood goes directly along without disputing the teachings of the bible. I can be a bit of a smarty pants at times, and at other times sarcastic, but i have been trying to put these questions in ways that a scholar that understands the bible in it's entirity would find non-offensive or contraversial. Although it could make a preacher or devout christian uncomfortable to answer, the answer one way or another still falls OUTSIDE of any teachings in the bible for or against.

Ok but you are debating Christian theology in a non christian arena....

It's a bit like giving biblical answers to a physics question. Now, if you can follow the concepts from the perspective of parapsychology and give an intutitive answer based on the qualifiers laid out I'd be thrilled to hear your response. But you have already failed by proving you don't understand the question. The question is about a FALSE god and per your own argument you are following bible scripture which lacks any affirmation that a false god posseses the power of the creator.

False god, versus devil...false god, versus devil...nowhere in here is the creator of the universe....get it?

Ok I have read them, I understand the point made and I am starting to understand where the lack of communication lies.

The question assumes that at least some christians are following a false god OTHER THAN the creator of the universe (heavens and earth) and that they have been worshiping this false god that lacks the every lasting self rejuvinating power of this being.

To answer your second question the power the spirits receive from the living helps facilitate their ability to affect the physical or Carnal world as QS put it earlier. The entire question requires that you understand something about parapsychology or are at least willing to view the question from that perspective. Debating belief or scripture is pointless, because this falls outside of the Christian realm.

There is more to religion than just Christianity.

I said narrow view as a qualifyer, you quoted it yourself so if it rules you out you why are you upset?

I said independent of the following of Christ, and once again you ignored that the qualifier is that some were mislead negating your answer all three times before you answered. In order to give a valid answer one must first understand the question.

To be honest about your answer according to the bible that is impossible since all of these questions are outside of the realm of Christian belief. If they did fall into christian belief the concepts involved with Christianity would have to seriously change.

and I AM is something people say...but that is without a name. Every intity including a higher power has a name....The Christian god per our understanding just liked it's followers to be in the dark about what that name is.

I can't answer it either I don't think anyone can but I find it an interesting paradox.

so far as the second part it is very important and can be ansered. If (speaking of the narrow view of christianity that makes an enemy of the rest of the world) they label everyone else as a devil worshiper, and strength is divided by followers are they subconsciously outclassing themselves making themselves the follower of an self defeating religion by claiming by their own belief that (according to parapsychology concepts they may not even be aware of or believe) their enemy has more followers than they do (and per this strength a spirit has based on followers) ensuring the defeat of their own deity in their final battle?

Maybe this question isn't simple enough to even ask...

You did not read the qualifiers for the question. Read again. The question itself assumes certain mistakes or truths I have repeated twice only for you to ignore them as always.

Only in your own book. Although my post may be hard to follow, or worded without perfection as I am a human being if you understand the concepts of paraspychology it is a completely valid question but meant as a theoretical paradox question that can not be answered.

If there was an answer we would not know it, if there was proof in an answer I would have looked it up.

Your dispute was as valid as his, one off subject to counter another lmao...uh wait...that is your dispute of his dispute per my personal view was more valid, since his dispute was off topic yours had to be to counter it

Now if only I could speak english...