be kind,
even Aristotle had his blues.

i recalled a situation but that's a long story
a micro-micro version of Trump nomination
'don't you love it when the establishment & media are against you
& the people surge behind you..'

Impressive,
turning a hard joke around to a cheerful trap,

the phrase "a knight without armor" came to mind
then saw Sunshine's comment.
so that's what it is, a nurse, a knight, without armor.
just having fun.




special meaning as i 'think' on quitting smoking
oh yeah, its flared to the point, me is now a walking chimney..
man-o-man; maybe will do it now
thanks for sharing.

drone attack.
heck

appears like death has 2 stages.
bodily followed by 'mind driven brain'

let's say body dies, heart / lungs & all those autonomous
functions - all those associated with the brain-stem, dies..

but the mature brain, the neo-cortex is an evolved creature
it has all the experiences and memories....
& ego to the point that it commanded attention while
'all the while the body aged, it managed
as teeth fell out, vision blurred, memory became unreliable

IT with age, started losing trust on it's body,
and what is deemed as our lower brain, the reptilian brain

So when the reptilian gives up, dies..

the neo-cortex, the higher up, the boss, says hell!
"the ship got torpedoed;
the engine room is on fire, the control room got shorted,
abandon ship.."

IT experiences loss of sensory inputs,
feels pain allover, 'agony of death'
but IT won't give in; a whisper says 'i am too young to die'
IT resists death - naturally

or the whisper says, 'my job is done'
IT accepts death - naturally
--xx--

taking the first case, 'too young..'
the brain 'misinterprets the death signal as it had not
expected / experienced sufficiently to catalogued it in memory
and so interprets the death signal as "abandon ship"

now here is where the mind takes over & says:
'abandon the neuron base we know as home
lets swiftly move outside of this sinking skull..'

i.e. assuming that we have a mind
then such a projection; a demand to the computer not to 'crash'
is plausible.

So when the Mind 'knowing' that it is superior to all that bodily / brain universe;
and yet not in denial that it needs this 'soil' to exist
but for a moment resists its 'death'.
(whatsoever the state the body may be in)

now the Mind prompts the only soil it really controls
it prompts all of the neo-cortex to battle stations - keep firing
(explains the brain arousal reported at NDE)

and by this process of extreme arousal
the mind 'periscopes' out
(let's keep in mind this is a death upheaval)

and what does the Mind necessarily do?
if it could periscope outside of the body?
yes, using it's ethereal mirror (for seconds) it to looks down
and asks - "am i really dead?"

--xx--
this is a fairy tale

yet, after going through the links provided by MM
there does seem to be a time lapse between the death by cessation of heart beat and 'brain death' or cessation of NDE!!

In fact it is possible that this time lapse could be in hours..

which brings us to the point that
we may all experience some form of NDE before final brain death.

in one of the links mice are subject to NDE and their neural activity fired up in all regions of the brain; in other words, even mice experience NDE similar to us.

that begs the question what do we mean by 'consciousness'?
by neural definitions, mice would have mice level consciousness;
may also have floating experiences; going by their known commonalities with the human brain; drug researching & so on.

so i am assuming by 'real consciousness' it should mean something transcending death: like immortal soul.

which if extrapolated would mean that if man was to have a soul
then how may mice be denied one?

'..all creatures great and small'

my intentions are not to trivialize this subject; just thinking aloud.

thanks,
i have a daughter, now 21. so you can see.
--xx--

fact is, in our generation father had only to say a word
that was it.
no monkey business

mother? oh, she may thrash with a broom
didn't count

now-a-days i see children have two mothers.
or just one mother
yes, definitely heritage.

i saw two videos the old one linked to one with a slightly larger view.

The large group of teenagers you mention - were aligned with the suspect (explained down). The victim appears to be alone.

yet you say 'they' had a confrontation.

from the body language of the victim - she didn't back down.
The suspect 'suddenly hit her' - a totally unexpected blow
that threw her off balance
he then shot a second right & missed.
maybe because the victim tried to ward off the second blow

the suspect then didn't take chances
he moved in with a 1-2 stance of a trained puncher
and punched her down. The left hook smash - no joke

then the suspects friend - yellow jacket moved in and pounded into her with his leg.
the suspect returned but the victim stayed down
yellow jacket then gave her a parting kick (2nd)
she lay motionless to the second kick - apparently 'out'

an adult is visible coming towards the store and the suspect and friend 'slide' away: mission accomplished.

----

my reading?
suspect's friend is definitely 18 - he was not booked
suspect did not get fobbed of by the warding purse
suspect moved in like a trained fighter: the 1-2 swing

suspect claiming blackout - definitely not the case because
he is articulate - proclaiming justification after she is down
before returning to victim to verify

this was not violence by a man of IQ80
his fists were accurate and contained deadly force
sufficient to knock her but not put him off balance when he missed her
blind rage by IQ80 does not deliver with such accuracy & control

victim was completely taken by surprise at the first blow
showing that the attack was per-meditated

victim's IQ is probably 60 or she is a
liberal,
reason: tangling with a proclaimed thief trying to drive in sense.




not financial situation,
since the money laying around was unexpected.

not social,
since he was an invitee to party & his cousins were also invitees

heritage?
i admit i don't understand what "parent-child issues" are being referred to. if it is 'parent-child' it amounts to heritage

religion?
if the victim is also Muslim,
suspect's family would have to pay in 'blood'
for what he did; else strife for generations
that is the law within Islamic tribes.

since the victim is not Muslim she went to court
and the court dutched her.
--xx---
Alla-o-Akbar; Allah!
--xx---
on the other note, it is not Muslim families alone that are fearful
the fear is now in European streets.

if we want to expand this discussions further
please bear in mind: India was an Islamic state for 500 years.
partitioned to Pakistan 70 years ago
has the second largest Muslim population in the world

please don't tell me that Christian fundamentalism exists to the
scale of Muslim fundamentalism the world over in this day and age.
it is this fundamentalism that has raised ISIS / Al-Qaeda armies
yes, there is now a danger of Christians getting together to
protect their people
as has happened with Hindus in India rising Hindu fundamentalists.

progressive Muslims (my teachers) couldn't alter the few lines of Koran that says 'killing a non-believer' leads you to paradise.
that is all there is to it.
but for this one aspect, Islam has a discipline & value system that would be the envy of Republicans.

in fact, Muslims cannot convert out of their religion without
risk to their lives & families.

so where lays the solution.
first steps are now being taken
'oath by refugees' on landing in host countries.

it should be no less than the oath that nation comes first
and God second.
yet there is raising hope as Muslim generations get educated in the West.

Aa-salam al-aikum.

v.interesting. MM
thanks for the link.

truly amazing experiences

To: Serchin4MyRedWine
i suppose you did report your experience to the doctors. if so, what was their take? the reason for this Q is obviously to eliminate any known induced 'hallucinatory' effects of the drug.
did read somewhere that the brain releases (one of the p-glands) some chemicals that allow passage from pain to death. this is presented in '5 unexplained mysteries' on y.tube.

To: MM,
about the neurons firing well after 2 months?
my understanding was their electrical activity consumed energy supplied through blood flow.
unless, neurons cannibalize other neurons or brain fat - plausible.
would definitely like to read up if you could provide a link.

To: BHawkins,
first congratulations. knowing myself, i stayed away from experimenting with drugs; would never have got out of it. Heck, barely managed to give up drinks in Saudi Arabia & reverted back on return.

i agree that you experienced 2 different things.
1. the 'nd' experience - i have no knowledge on this

2. the repeated dreams (the lasting effects)
is it possible that the '2 demons' are a reminder to stay away? i do know that our brain is not exactly a 'unified whole'. We do have some components - brain-stem unit and the diencephelon (mammalian brain) that functions independently of our thinking brain (neo-cortex). To explore this you may like to read 'The Chimp Paradox' by Dr. Steve Peters. Again, this is not my field but a recent interest.
--xx--
from the said experiences it appears there are 2 kinds or stages of death:

1. where the heart stops - the brain-stem responsible 'dies'
the eyes don't respond to flashing light

2. where the cerebrum (neo-cortex) 'dies' - turning us to vegetables.

it is plausible that if stage 1 alone happens; otherwise healthy patients could be revived. The cortex pulls up the body so to speak.

all this may sound a bit 'cracked up' but in the absence of any model on death - this is something. i started thinking on these lines when my Dad passed away few months ago.
--xx--

thanks for sharing. very big of you guys.

a small flaw in the logic...
"Come back home.." - don't

what's so funny? i don't get it..

in India the Lord is a driver..


here Krisna (in black) goes mad; attacking with the spare wheel.

i always found it uncomfortable to say things like 'i love you'
but with Dolphin's poem i whisper
"lovingggg yoouuu"

stretch the words folks; drag it;
--xx--

people who dre-eeaaam-eh, live longer
nice, refreshing dreeeeeaams, longer
cause they don't carryeeee,yeah
yes-ter-daaaay, over


people who seeeeennggh; live longer
nice long drawn breeeeathing, longer
cause one just haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
limited (breathing) overs

(drum taps)
now don't go angry, or furious;
zip up bp, zap the heart
let go, let go, let goooo, yesterdaaaaaay
(drums rollover)

sleep to dream, yeah baby, sleeeeep-eh.
yeah sleeeep aaap dreams, baby
--xx--

based on the topic by LW: "I sleep to dream and dream of sleep"
i was musing on this on and off cause i read somewhere that dreams are the continuous process of thoughts; and was planning to meet my mom tomorrow and encourage her, she has these palpitations and mind wandered of to the subject of brain-stems i was reading..
and the words rolled in (made some sense to me)
so then why not post it and see what my friends have to say.

hahahahahahahaha
haha, hilarious
Oh God!

On the contrary, dreams improve with age.
dreams related to work and so on

my technique is wake up around 4am;
have tea, walk; go back for a nap & allow dreams
sometimes interesting; especially if one has been working
late previous night.

i recall visiting the snake park - decades ago (bachelor days)
and then had a dream - snakes hanging down trees;
later i was telling this to my guy friends
and one of them remarked, 'snakes symbolize sex;
but they have to bite you.'

i think most young Asian's dream up snakes sometime or other.

darn, wish you had said yes; we could have found if they had a sex life.

on the spectral picture, can you please explain?