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JaiGi
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Making me laugh .. Jai ..are we on a beach in Japan after a nuclear fallout ..
aha, a sisterly rejection. "..on a beach after nuclear fallout." priceless. --xx-- alright, we got sidetracked with 'deja vu' ...perhaps dreaming is an extension of brain dysfunction ..
Or nothing more than a distortion of time perception if it is dysfunction it still gives us a window on its capabilities. --xx-- now here's an example of dysfunction: "hallucinations" w/o drugs about 14 years ago (2002) i was living 'alone' in a 100 acre project site planning it's revival. The power company had cut our lights. at night, while going to sleep, the opposite wall would dissolve and a scene from some stone age would appear, a family of 4; a man, wife & two young kids around a cooking fire they would all be looking towards me, expectantly like family, waiting for me to join them for a 'mid-day' meal. it was tempting to attempt & cross the threshold to 'their time' something stopped me. used to happened almost every night, 'same scenario'; so to get some sleep; i started to drinking. much later i found out this was normal for prisoners confined in solitude. a form of hallucination. for me the experience was real; & may be it was a 'time mismatch'. But to suggest dreams in similar category of dysfunctions... --xx-- now consider musicians or scientists at work cutting off any interruptions as it would break their flow of 'creativity' dreams come closer to this 'creative category' only diff. is they are not predictable!! --xx-- science may not yet have tools for precise investigations but i think there's enough info for 'clinical' analysis & 'hypothesis' question is no longer why do we dream. it's how do we do it. This is distinct from how we 'apply effort or force of will' to imagine or visualize solutions for scientific or other problems |
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JaiGi
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Tue 03/22/16 01:32 AM
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Perhaps it is the other way around. Perhaps dreams generate the mind. I agree, but that's after the dream is constructed. Although for most of you the following is elementary, for the record, dreams are not only assembled in 'patches' and 'fragments' but it's also revised. I believe Dr. Freud calls it the Secondary Revision. Secondary revision Although many dreams do not seem to 'make sense', many others appear to be quite coherent and logical. Freud says that it is the function of secondary revision which creates this appearance of narrative coherence - it "fills up the gaps in the dream-structure with shreds and patches". The secondary revision turns dreams into something more closely resembling coherent 'daydreams' or depictions of reality than they would otherwise be. Sometimes the dream appears to be a simple retelling of events from the previous day, as in the dream of tuning the piano. Secondary revision, as the name implies, occur at the end of the lengthy process of dream-construction and can basically can be thought of as the application of conscious thought processes to the dream material. In much the same way a poem or story might be made out of initially disparate ideas and feelings, and gradually built up into a first draft. Once a first draft is written we then look at the work in a different way and start to revise it according to conscious and often formal criteria, taking into account things like logical coherence and who the intended audience is for the work. Freud points out that dreams, however, are not necessarily intended to be understood. These three functions (with the considerations for representability often regarded as a fourth) constitute the central mechanisms for the construction of dreams. It is evident that these mechanisms also operate in art, music, literature, jokes, and in the formation of neurotic symptoms. This widespread applicability is perhaps one reason why Freud regarded dreams in such a high regard as the 'royal road' to the unconscious, and The Interpretation of Dreams as his most significant book. Source: https://www.freud.org.uk/education/topic/10576/subtopic/40026/ what's amazing is 'Secondary Revision' in my sleep( effortlessly) in daylight; the effort would involve cups of coffee & cigarettes there obviously are two ways to think. The dream way (free flow) and 2) the ponderous, step by step way - during daylight / reality. An example, with Blondey's permission (in the interest of science) i could close my eyes and conjure up a beach & Blondey beside but the script would have a premeditated intent on the other hand, in a dream, i might be quite astonished by what B has to say (have experienced characters delivering dialogues quite alien to my nature or to the extent i had knowledge on such characters. That has left me wondering just where did it come from?) so in a dream, the characters play out their role with unexpected results!! May be the experience of deja vu could be from some dreams in the past. --xx-- Now if we stay with the dream factory portion of our brain.. The Hippocampus is the part of the brain you might be talking about. So from Wiki..we learn about 3 functions of h_campus Over the years, three main ideas of hippocampal function have dominated the literature: inhibition, memory, and space. The behavioral inhibition theory (caricatured by O'Keefe and Nadel as "slam on the brakes!")[15] was very popular up to the 1960s. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampus Hippocampus may not be contributing say more than 10% and here's the reasoning. 1. During a dream, i'm not in control; so there's 'no slamming in the brakes' function. 2. Memory: memory of scenarios are, i believe distributed all over the cortex. If it were in Hippocampus it would remain for the long term(?) 3. Space: Spatial memory does not appear as a dominant feature in dreams. Yes, we have 3D scenes but 'navigating' through them (which is what is proscribed as the 3rd function of H_campus) does not appear critical to many dreams. --xx-- all this leads to a theory that during sleep, for some distressing to occur; each compartment of the brain 'gives up' some fragment of information it is holding. But that sounds like junk clearance. ok, may be some junk removal is necessary before coherent dreams can occur. It's also supported by the fact that the more coherent dreams seem to occur just before we wake up. So after junk is removed we are left with probably our stronger desires (repressed wishes as per Dr. F) --xx-- Assuming we now have the motive for our dream plot ready, and assuming there is a natural tendency for the brain to realize it (as per Dr. F) the question now refines to: who or where is the 'Action / Direction' commandeered from? Even if it is 'id' running the show with Ego under sleep; (as seems to be the suggestion from Igor) where is id located? One would presume that clinical science would have located id by now considering the routine measures of brain activities they take on patients in sleep. it appears to me like Dad assigning his kid the lawn mover while he takes a nap. So either we find out which parts of the brain is 'napping' while the dream is going on or which parts are hyperactive during sleep. -- long post -- thinking aloud. ---xxx----- aah, running back to the beach with my melting brain. Blondey, wait!! |
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Your dream sequence starts now .. Close your eyes .. Can you see me .. Standing next to you on the beach .. My long silky hair cascading around sunkissed glistening skin . What do you think my laughter sounds like . What do you think will happen when my gaze looks up and I have you in my sights ...smiling :-) hanging around on the beach with you, with a brain already melted to puddle..? ||| couldn't find the medical term for such conditions ||| |
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JaiGi
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Mon 03/21/16 11:13 AM
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ok, so i copy image locations within [.img] ..[./img] (w/o the dot)
and quite often, (as recently) the image balloons outside normal page width. i think it would help us a ton if we could reduce the size using bb code. isn't this possible? |
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photo editor
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i don't know if it's just me but women look enchanting sideways.
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Edited by
JaiGi
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Mon 03/21/16 11:03 AM
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the screen for our dreams could be the same area where our real world visuals are re-projected. i.e., back of the head. as a layman, here's what i got from the net |
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It seems to me that as we get older we see dreams as a movie, a full production. Unexpected story lines, unexpected endings (if we are not jolted out of it by some clock alarms).
We have all been hearing about brain mapping - compartments where functions are clustered; like the famous speech center: Broca's Brain. There's some recent insights from John Hopkins. It appears that Broca's area is a speech 'planner' and 'adjuster'. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/brocas_area_is_the_brains_scriptwriter_shaping_speech_study_finds So it may not be wrong to presume that during our dream state Broca's Area is active. If so, like the dialogue deliverer, there must be an image planner. The visuals that cascade so smoothly in our dreams. And coordinating these two centers must be a director; synchronizing dialogs and visuals to some story line. Call it the Hitchcock center. The moment i wake up, the dream gets trivialized. This leads me to think that a Hitchcock Center exists, and he hijacks my brain while i sleep. Am i wrong? |
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JaiGi
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Sun 03/20/16 09:55 AM
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The following info could have been posted in our Zika thread but as the threat is turning to a real attack i say, we shake of old formalities and some of us who can; lets take stations. for instance, i'm trying to keep the media in India alert. source: http://www.cdc.gov/zika/geo/united-states.html US States • Travel-associated Zika virus disease cases reported: 258 • Locally acquired vector-borne cases reported: 0 • Of the 258 travel-associated infections, 18 are in pregnant women and 6 were sexually transmitted US Territories • Travel-associated cases reported: 3 • Locally acquired cases reported: 283 • Of the 283 locally acquired infections, 35 are pregnant women Reason for highlighting is because this is not ‘just like HIV / Aids’. In Aids people died, children died and for some, a bit of us died with each one of them. In the case of Zika, the baby born ‘looks like a human’, but may not be technically a human baby(!!) ok, we understand, but allow me to articulate: "with Zika, the human potential is killed during the baby's development." Source: Wiki; The Frontal Lobe is the most recently-evolved part of the brain and the last to develop in young adulthood. It's dorso-lateral prefrontal circuit is the brain's top executive. It would be logical to presume that a Zika virus attack on the brain would come to full force during this final stages. In other words, not only is the territory of the brain reduced: a smaller brain; but the capital that distinguishes man from animal; the frontal lobe; is consumed. (my opinion) Needless to say, babies born so are like ships without captains; adrift for the rest of their life. footnote: anything that hits US today; hits the world tomorrow. --xx-- if we look at any epidemic, it starts as an S-Curve. slow first and then exponential!! what we are seeing is the lower end of the S. then it goes bizarre. Requesting Sassy for validations. |
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Topic:
Ghost Hunt
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JaiGi
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Sun 03/20/16 08:30 AM
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had a wonderful sleep and a wonderful wake up to the day thanks :d how long does that trip take? I walk over so it's 15 minutes that is so close i thought it was further. 15 minutes? that's because he stops for directions a slow ghost. |
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Topic:
freedom of speech
Edited by
JaiGi
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Sat 03/19/16 12:15 PM
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men of muslim faith don't all have the same beliefs,, just keep that in mind there is plenty that lines up with Christian beliefs, in terms of how to carry oneself and treat others,,,,,and many muslims adhere to the interpretation of those verses, rather than those verses that are violent or extreme did u ask them if they believe in those violent verses???? muslims believe in every word in quran and can not say it does not work because it's comes from Allah , so that they can not remove it. Did u ask them to remove those violent verses??????i memorize 10 chapters of quran , i start reading quran and my age was 8years . I ve read quran 4 times a year for 12 years , SO I know what i am saying and no one can tell me this is the right meaning ,i mean islamists , because i understand what political islam is exactly . i have the brain and i can search and analyse info through depending on different books , not just what government wants . isn't that hypocritical,, to imply my opinion is not valid because I haven't asked each of the billions of muslims what they believe? although you have not either I believe every word of my bible too, but that doesn't mean I take the violence in it as a command of what to do, or every instruction as a universal mandate some are in the context of applying to a specific time and situation ad people, and some are eternal commands you claim that u understand my society better than me and this is not my problem but yours . i interact everyday with muslims and islam is different from what u think . there is no need to a verses which inspires killing to stay in quran and everything which has no relation with human being . u said i can choose peaceful verses and ignore these violent verses but also muslims can take the violent verses and use them as Quaaida did and ISIS did , so the problem is the holy book which is considered the source of evil . i know what i am saying and come here if u want to witness things in ur eyes . the source of quran is not God but human and there a huge contradiction in it and the reason why is that islam is political plan , at the begenning , muslims were weak so a peaceful verses come and when it becomes strong and has a lot follower then the violent comes You are right, a man made document Mr. Thomas Paine said a similar thing in 1791 on Rights of Man those days, the French had overthrown their King but some of his chilling words apply to Islam particularly: """binding and confining all posterity (your children and their children) to the end of time.""" |
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how we can write and critisize islam if we have no right , and facing by this death?? i need advises??? i'm still alive... hahaha if you were kidnapped in India or, arrested for say DUI, flirting or something silly..by the local police Washington would promptly apply sanctions on India. not a joke. |
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Jaigi, u pointed out some details from a man's eye, and some sound really logical. thanks a lot for thinking about these & allocating your time to write them down and sharing with us thanks love, your appreciation means a lot to me. Jai |
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Twice in fact . Lol. Sorry my screen froze !!! the joke didn't come out the way originally intended. (that's another joke) wicked comments to Jai? yup; screen freezes. |
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I have a psycho
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it appears to me that a criminal mind at the beginning
works like a salesman. (at the beginning) this psycho, if he's taking effort to come back with different names, then he must be 'playing' on quite a few girls from Istanbul. & if he's playing, he must be in the 20s or so: a kid, a 'ba-chha' as we say in Hindi; so needs handling carefully Now apart from reporting: which of course one must not give up so that doors keep closing on him & he tires out i suggest following defensive driving: 1. reduce the number of profile pictures. both you girls are so lovely, 2 pictures ok to interest any man (i'm not saying 4 pictures attract a psycho but as a line of thought, maybe) 2. Under interests: instead of writing music - detail it; as an Indian i may write classicals raga bhairava understand, a psycho who admires his own tool may not be able to comprehend higher stuff. instead of animals, suggest veterinary interests; or 'i have a giraffe in my farm' that should dismay a psycho (when the right man turns up, tell him he was the giraffe u were waiting for) simple changes (& some more) but i think you get the drift. remember, attracting psycho means that you are attracting failures the next step attracting successful men is not so hard now. problem with successful men are: their ego-s if your description also has some ego in it, (or warnings ); heaven cannot help you and single men in their 40s, 50s get fewer; so patience is a must. & experiments. |
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Topic:
Ice breakers
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JaiGi
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Fri 03/18/16 01:28 PM
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Say you like a stranger in M2 what sort of ice breaker would you use? it finally dawned on me; as i read some agony from a few new comers (wouldn't work for overseas guys like me).. so here's the filter. "Dear Ms xyz, after reading your brilliant and courageous profile (if she shows her neckline) i believe you would have drawn to conclusions on whether Mr. Trump could bring the necessary changes to our system which his supporters feel has remained grounded for years" i used to use the shoe salesman line, "you look fantastic what size are you?" 3 years wasted. |
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Ads and using AdBlocker
Edited by
JaiGi
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Fri 03/18/16 06:33 AM
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No lm just jumping in after a long absentee. (my choose) . turn off java, and you can still read the page in it's source code form . There was an overlap between your post & mine. will do it your way, now. thanks |
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European View of Election ?
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Facebook - ok some individuals clustering
'freedom of speech'? like myself in M2 In India, I could still be at risk, we are still opening up. but institutions? UK's Guardian runs articles om Mr. T as if he were contesting for their monarchy. the link is just one from their series. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/17/democracy-is-a-joke-says-china-just-look-at-donald-trump Indian news, repeat US media & mention source ok, as long as source is stated it's news networking But what's with the Guardian? |
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secret relation
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any one here frome lahore Secret Relations... what has that got to do with lahore? I am going to run with the topic - Secret Relations.. If I was in a relationship, would I want to keep it a secret? Maybe for the first while, until I am comfortable and sure it was going somewhere. Otherwise you're 'kissing & telling'..lol I am not from lahore Lahore Pakistan is quite close to Indo-Pak border. relationships are risky business here. |
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try it once,
then other options / alternates kick in. i think Manturkey1 could validate or tell us a better way. |
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lost and confused
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don't quite agree with the ladies so a longer explanation 2 case studies from long ago (one in Rich, Va & 2nd in Bangalore) Case 1: was an unhappily married woman hooking up a married colleague guy had the prettiest and sensible wife the guy quit later; for a career & a future slightly now i had some interest in this lady who was married w/ no kids but by the time she came around to me; 2 years later she had already worked through all eligible colleagues and by the time she came around to me the big boss (owner) was informed by her ex-lover and nipped it before it started (story of my life) Case 2: was in India, guy looked like a star (married with 2 young girls) and i saw young working women throw themselves at him in fact, being a pal he took me with him to one of the offices to intro e to someone and all the girls clustered around him me, an eligible bachelor - sitting alone, trying not to watch this guy's wife - fair looking (trusted me like a brother) knew all about it. yet she adored him (and what a good cook). He was a good friend of mine but his career always a good start; went to rocks it was a mystery how they survived as a family w/ 2 kids then the house wife started working; did well after initial adjustments; in fact for some mysterious reasons she started to look even better than those other girls may be it was classiness emerging or something. ---- --- met their daughters recently (all grown up & great in every way) --xx-- it appears you are married to a rock star and so.. Now when he says he has to learn 'how to fall in love again' It could mean anything: a late realization of what a strong home you have built for him; or something else. i presume the former. checked your profile, doesn't say much but it reminded me of case 2. now for case 3: are you sure he's having an affair or is it some mild flirt? some men are dumb / gallant types. women become insecure & men don't realize it till late as a member said: it's your life but the difficult part is detaching and looking at oneself starting up some creative shanges and Lo, a rainbow... just sharing. |
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