yeah i don't get rambills comment either.

To me it means that no matter how much we try we will never truely understand grace. All we can do is enjoy it's benefits. Unconditional love

People nearly causing accodents on the freeway because they are on their cell phone. Especially the ones that nearly cause one or actually cause one and don't even realize it.................................................because they're on the phone

Wow did they give her a free bottle of whine to have with her crow Dinner? Whoever that gentleman was he is very intelligent and apparently executed his point perfectly. Nothing but repect for our military....always

funny stuff.sad but funny

All i know is God is Perfect and he does things the right way. If he
wanted any other books in there a some point they would have been in
there. Don't get me wrong i would love to read those books i would but
only as reference because again we dont know for sure the extent of
their validity.

the founders of the establsihed church is what i mean. the church was
still being somewhat persecuted when the counsil was held. To question
books that are not in the Bible is to question God himself. If they are
not there it's beacause they do not belong there. Everything God has to
say to us is there. Any other books wether they were written by them or
not would not impact the plan of salvation. It's all there in Acts 2:38
and in John 3:16. I see your argument i really do but salvation is
centered around Christ not Mary and not the roman soldier so i don't see
the harm in leaving these books out. And again if we don't believe that
these mean 40 years approx. after Johns death were not sprit filled and
guided then our whole faith in Christ is unwhole

this book? which book...? the Bible wa not the bible til carthage and
the counsil established it. the did not remove snything from it they
just did not add on what the could not be sure was truly written by
these men because the nature of the writing f=did not match their
previous books. that would have been totally irresponsible. You think
that these men did not fast and pray for a wose desicion?

yes they are men. and in God's hierchial process we are subject to their
authority. We are not talking about modern day bishops we are talkng
about the founders of the church who were guided by the Holy Spirit.. If
we do not believe that then we cannot believe in Christ. This was done
for the benefit of the church. It is like saying that any crazy fool who
says he is preachin Christ now a days should be given a michrophone. The
spirit guides and gives discerment to know these things. We forgt the
spiritual factor in all of this not realizing that Most of God's
"things" dont make sense . God gives the episcopalian body authority to
quench the spirit even and say whatsoever you bind on earth whall be
bound in heaven and beneath the earth. You better believe it that these
men had th authority and the true men of God to the day have the
authority

yes they do and the council was constructed of Bishops and arcbishops.
there are many books
The Book of the Pastor of Hermas, Epistle of Barnabus, The teaching s
of the 12 Apostles. The reason they are excluded is because they were
carefully studied by the leaders of the church and could not be
determined wether they were really written by the folks since they had
passed on. There were many cases where people wrote fake letters and
signed the as Paul and as peter. therefore without verification it would
have been considered irresponsibl to place these books as God's word.
However Christ did mission to build and establih a church. Signs and
wonders would follow that church. Therefore placing more priority on the
building and constructing of the church

I don't worry about it because the Gospels which we know and read are
there because they are the ones we need. Knowledge is great wether it be
the Dead sea scrolls or the books that were never approved by the
council of carthage such as the Acts of Peter and the revelations of
Peter but the ones that are there are the ones that are essential for
reaching a oneness with Christ

or because the egg complicates things and makes it hard to locate itself
by being overly dramatic?

i think that's a great point to have biblical backing of your argument.

So we are to believe some of the bible only?

we did not create Satan Lucifer disobedionce and desire to be greater
than God created Satan. Sat existed before we did.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is pure love but his grace delivers us from sin eternal damnation
and ....from his very rath which will come upon man.
he is love but he is also justice

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

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good stuff Spidercrmb

I have found the paradox that if I love until it hurts, then there is no
hurt, but only more love.

Author: Mother Teresa