I believe it behooved me and embellished my honor to stand behind HER decision with respect...to the bitter end and to this day, thank you very much. You would have picked-up on this if you actually LISTENED or read my posts.

The only thing I have stated that is unfair, is that is when a woman says "it's MY body, therefore it is MY decision." Well, newsflash, ladies: When a man has contributed 50% of what is cooking in YOUR oven...and will ultimately pop out and BOTH will be responsible for the remainder of "it's" life...BOOM - SHARED!

Come on now, be HONEST here. When the turkey baster pops, and *POPS* is nowhere to be found...you sure want HIM to send the check and share responsibility, don't you? You sure are the first ones to roast him on the pitfire when the child support check or visitation weekend is not satisfied, ain't you? Be HONEST here!

Why am I considered to be "whining" because I wanted a child? Why am I the one considered to be selfish when I was the one willing to give my all when she was not? I was the one willing to give my whole life (yes, parenting goes beyond 18 years in my opinion) beyond 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth? Please enlighten me how MY motives were "selfish". I'm honestly curious here. *scratches head*

Point taken, but I NEVER once asked for nor solicited your pity or sympathy, because frankly...you don't know me, nor I you, so it would not be welcomed as it would not be sincere.

This was an internet forum asking for opinions on a topic, and I gave mine, just like you and others. I didn't BOO HOO HOO over your posts about your wretched pregnancy or childbirth...nor did I ask you to over my experiences. I simply shared...as you did...but, I certainly did not heckle nor LMAO over your woes, Lily.

Again, let's disect this, shall we? Me, as a man...sharing my own pain and grief over a loss in my past (as many of us do, whether it be a child, a lost loved one, wrong decision, whatever)...I should just "get over it", right?

You guys (or possibly I am) making it sound like a have a shrine in my house for my unborn/aborted child. Well, I don't! Yes, my life has clicked on, with three (yes THREE) beautiful children.

But, does that lost child of MINE still hold a place in my thoughts, soul, mind and heart on a daily basis...yes, *it* certainly does.

Again, if I were a *woman* stating this...betcha I could win the lottery with my *sappiness* here. Any takers on that bet?

*looks down at crotch...yep, I still have a penis here*

If you would actually READ my posts and LISTEN before judging...you would comprehend that your above statement is totally ignorant. Not in the sense of stupidity, but rather the lack of listening or knowledge.

I challenge YOU to say to ME how in the world was *I* in the least manner "selfish"? I wanted our child, and offered every means possible to make that a reality, but succumbed to HER decision and supported it not only financially, but emotionally and spiritually during that time?

Okay, I'm more than willing to address the *other men* who might want a family but don't for whatever reason. I'm not leary of that topic as I clearly addresssed it in one of my posts, but perhaps it should be posted separately from this one - don't you agree?

Excuse me? Then *I* moved on with my life? How did you decipher this, old wise-ass one? *WE* moved on with our lives, due to other circumstances that caused us to be drawn apart.

So, honestly? As a woman, with a uterus and one who feels passionately about children...you honestly would NOT mourn the loss of a child in your past - regardless of the circumstances?

I honestly challenge you here. If you, as a WOMAN, were to post about having to abort a child (or even losing a child under any circumstance) in your past...don't you agree you would be surrounded with love, girly/manly hugs, compassion, empathy and sincere posts of condolences for "OMG"..."all you went through...you poor, POOR dear"?

Really now? Be HONEST!!!

Okay, go ahead...bash and belittle me AGAIN for not owning a uterus. I can take it. Remember...I have BALLS!

Careful there, bro...you may be termed a swallower!

Yes, it does, Lily...depending on each individual's definition of "hurt".

I've examined a few uteruses (uteri?) in my time too, Bergeia. Ever notice how each apple you munch on has "SEEDS" in them?

You make this sound as if..."oh well, you have a few extra toys to play with, so why worry about the ball knocked outta the field". OMG, I so DARE you say that to a WOMAN who has had to abort a child, yet has bore additional children since, in this forum and see how THAT comment is received!

Yes, I fully read your comment, and MY comment still stands. Unless YOU are in the position of losing a child or even HAVING a child (which your profile states you do not as yet)...then YOU get over it and stay out of it until you truly have experience to bring to the table beyond a uterus.

OMG! You are kidding right? Simply because I have had children since this incident in my PAST life, I am not allowed the right to feel pain over a lost child??? You ARE kidding, right?

I won't say "good lord" over this statement you made...but, rather..."HOLY SH*T"!

*GOOD LORD* if I were a WOMAN making my statement about a child I "lost" and had to abort...wouldn't I be met with hearts, and flowers and hugs and "oh, my...I'm sooooo sorry you endured such pain"?

I can't help but say...WTF?????????????????? here!

Now, if everyone who posts here with their computer terminal "vote" would actually get off their couch potatoe arses to the polls this year, we may actually have a real Presidential race here, don't you think?

Just make sure you are WELL informed before making your decision, aside from what you "google", regardless of race/running mate's gender, and what you hear on your local news network and what your neighbor's..aunt's dog groomer's...pedicurist's...attorney's says, okay?

This is YOUR life, YOUR livliehood, your children's future...BE INFORMED and actually VOTE!

For those of you who say "they are both idiots and liars and I don't care", well don't come back here b*tching with your distress and woes when the nation is still distressed and filled with woe for the next 4 years, okay?

And as a sidenote, be voting WISELY for you local congress and senate leaders, okay?

Psssst...Just a little tidbit to the ill-informed.

Very bold forum to post, my dear man.

Time for a healthy CHANGE America...if uneducated and ill-informed, vote AGAINST McCain!

Obama '08...let's get our country STRAIGHT!

Nope, not at all, Izzie...just firing back what myself and other men in here (and through time) have been shot with. Not directed at you personally, but when it comes firing across the computer screen without absolute knowledge...it stings, huh? Case in point, is all.

And for Krimsa:

I have "gotten over it", but forgive me if I still grieve over my lost child. If I were a woman stating my grief here...OMG...call FTD, right?

Yep, SHE had the option. But, again...what about MY option for MY child? Guess that doesn't matter, right? Oh well, guess I'm whining again, huh?

Such as?

Perhaps it sounds like whining to you because you are...a woman perhaps?

Lest you forget - I have clearly stated in nearly EVERY post of mine in this forum - I am also PRO-CHOICE!

Now, back to Etrain...

Didn't you catch my *morph* a few pages back, big boy? I now have grown a uterus because I don't know when to actually shut my "hole"!

We did take that approach, very willing, numerous times, and BOTH enjoyed it immensely...thanks very much!

And I beg to challenge you when you ever once heard me "whining" about my ex's decision? If you feel expressing one's sadness and grief over a loss of a child as "whining" - well, I think you may find a certain female someone on your Mutual Match list. Best of luck to you both.

Oh, and YOURS was? Well, let's strike up the band shall we?

Take a closer look, big boy - cause I'm kind of thinking you have a purdy mouth!

Oh, I think I just found my new BREAST friend!