http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

I personally would use Ethnos to classify specific races and Race to categorize smaller groups within an Ethnos.

Jesus however said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them; for it is to those who are childlike that the Kingdom of the Heavens belongs."
matthew 19:14

the dictionary disagrees

race 1 (rs)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

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Listen the last post explain intellectually all aspects of Christian death penalty. I doubt you even read it since your arguing points that were answered anyways ive grown bored of this one way discussion. It doesn’t matter what the bible states because your going to take whatever truth you want from it. That’s your prerogative but your sadly mistaken. You’ve ignored cut and dry answers to what action should be taken to a murderer from the commandments to the other scriptures I posted earlier in which you had no real explanation instead you’ve used the compassion of god on one individual while ignoring his wrath on millions of others. This argument is no different than when Satan tempted Jesus in his fast for 40 days. He used little slivers of scripture to pervert the word of god as well. My personal advice is to actually read the bible and don’t just google an argument that you think would benefit your agenda. Next your going to be telling me that abortion in accepted by god.

the commandment "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" is a typical mistranslation of Hebrew into the English King James version the real commandment is "THOU SHALL NOT MURDER"


Indeed, "kill" in English is an all-encompassing verb that covers the taking of life in all forms and for all classes of victims. That kind of generalization is expressed in Hebrew through the verb "harag." However, the verb that appears in the Torah's prohibition is a completely different one, " ratsah" which, it would seem, should be rendered "murder." This root refers only to criminal acts of killing.

The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19); adultery (Leviticus 20:10); homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution (Leviticus 21:9) and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24-25), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, each and every sin we commit should result in the death penalty (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament Law...they truly did not care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God was the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The Apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-5).

So, basically, we are back to where we started. Yes, God allows capital punishment. But at the same time, God does not always demand the death penalty when it is due. What should a Christian’s view on the death penalty be, then? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard than He or be more kind than He. God has the highest standard of any being since He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given the government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Listen I'm not negating that God the creator chooses to save those who sin. This is the obvious reason for Jesus Christ. Murder is a sin but punishment by death for the action of murder is not. Murder done by an individual is through his or her own passion and sin. Death Penalty is morale law not individualistic human passion. The same way that the Hebrew word for War and murder are different. Just because Jesus says to love your enemy and forgive him of his trespasses does not stop a governmental punishment of death. There are laws and guidelines that were given by a higher power to help stabilize a moral society. Jesus is the ultimate judge and he wills casts those away who deny him. I'm comfortable with my place on judgment day because I know I’m a sinner but it’s only through Christ that I can have eternal salvation and freedom. That does not mean I shouldn’t be punished for my crimes on earth. Just means I can be forgiven if in my heart I’m truly repentant. If I was the head of government and about to put to death a murderer and god stopped me that’s one thing because his will is beyond all understanding and has a very intricate purpose. However he gave us codes and laws to help us through our earthly life, which gives the government the right to punish those who do wrong doing.

There’s plenty of scriptures in which god gave the death penalty to not only individuals but also entire civilizations. If you deny scriptures than you deny the God of the book. Jesus will judge sinners its called Hell and it’s in the bible. The creator has every right to judge its creation.

God allowed Cain to live a life of punishment for the murder of his younger brother. What God chooses to do is his own will and he had good reason for it. This however does not negate the other scriptures in which the death penalty is accepted as a form of righteous punishment.

Acts 5:1 to 11 describe how a couple, Ananias and Sapphira sold an piece of real estate. They gave part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full proceeds from the sale. Peter interpreted their act as lying to the Holy Ghost. God killed Ananias on the spot. Three hours later, Sapphira repeated the lie to Peter. He cursed her and God killed her immediately. Members of the church were understandably terrified.

The list goes on and on


Honestly I wouldn’t listen to the Catholic Church they haven’t been reading their text correctly for quite awhile there’s a big problem with organized religion. It seems to snuff out faith and put dogma in its place.

Are you saying that a large portion of the Republican voting block is racist?

No the quotes I just laid down show that Jesus Christ was not a pacifist it has nothing to do with the stance of the death penalty. Those scriptures I’ve already laid down and you’ve had no sufficient rebuttal. Personally I don’t care what your argument against the death penalty is. The bible clearly states that the death penalty is a function of government. You have to either decide to follow your own morality or follow the guidelines of the bible.

My opinion is that you have your own personal conflict because for whatever reason you disagree with the death penalty. The bible makes it as plain as day what is and isn’t acceptable. I think probably the worse interpretation of the bible is that Jesus was some toothless pacifist.

Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"


John 2:15

"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the Temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers money, and overthrew the tables. And said unto them that sold doves, 'Take these things hence; make not my father's house an house of merchandise.'

LUK 22:35 "...And the man without a sword must sell his coat and buy one."


MAT 18:5

"Whoever welcomes one such child for my sake welcomes me. On the other hand, it would be better for anyone who leads astray one of these little ones who believes in me, to be drown by a millstone around his neck, in the depths of the sea.

John 15:13

"There is no greater love than this: to lay down ones life for one's friends."

these are but a few examples

cut and dry

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

please read me that any other way you possibly can.

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Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matt.5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.

proof can be found in the ministry and message of the Apostle Paul. Paul told those to whom he ministered, “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ” (1Corinthians 11:1). Paul was not sinless as His Saviour was. But he was meticulous in his service to God (see Philippians 3:4-6). And, according to his own testimony, he was careful to follow the life of Jesus Christ. Certainly, if Jesus had been opposed to the death penalty, then so would Paul have been.

However, Paul recognized the justice of the death penalty. When he was brought before the judgment seat of Festus, he said, “For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die” (Acts 25:11). By this, Paul admitted that there were offenses worthy of death and that the government had the right to administer death in those cases.

He further states in Romans that the powers that be (government) are ordained by God. They act as ministers of God for good. He further warns, “But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil” (Romans 13:4). The powers that be bear the sword to execute wrath on those that do evil. What do you think these powers are going to do with the sword? Are they going to slap someone on the wrist with it? No. They are going to “execute wrath” by executing someone. They are going to administer the death penalty.

God Himself established the death penalty long before the law was given to Moses. He told Noah, “And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man” (Gen.9:5). This command has never been repealed. Not by the New Testament. Not by Paul. Not by Jesus Himself.

The Jesus of the Bible supported the death penalty. It was not His purpose for coming. Therefore, He said only a little about it. But He supported it nonetheless. When He returns to the earth the next time, His perspective will be different. Then, He will come as judge and will be executing the death penalty (see Revelation 19:11-15).

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I think the bible quotes are pretty cut and dry. Id like to see what else they could mean. If you could please show me other ways to look at these scriptures id be more than happy to further explain them.