Nobody has tackled my main question yet. If the Devil does not exist, why do the elite (who control the world) worship him? And surprise, surprise - their deeds are evil. I would further add the the #1 religion in America has become Asthoreth worship - the porn industry. In the OT Israel's enemies always worshipped these gods of fertility. The Masons are obsessed with sex. Who speaks out more against the porn industry today than the church? Who supports family values more than the church? There are UN quotes such as "The family is a disease and must be destroyed". If man were to come up with an ideal religion it would be Baal and Astoreth worship. Lots of free sex and just sacrifice the children so you have no responsibility. Anyone that thinks the bible was conceived by man is kidding themselves. Living a life is high morals is very difficult. Now really, tell me who you would rather have as a neighbor? Ned Flanders, or Ted Bundy (seemingly a good little law student). Not one of you is going to want to live next to Ted Bundy. Not one of you has acknowledged all the good things the church does in the world.

I'm all for freedom of speech. Good for them. I wonder what they will do with the money? What big Atheist group out there is feeding the poor and helping the needy?

What about billion people who are in deep poverty in this world? (Yes, it's 1 billion...quick google search and you can find this written all over the place: http://www.blogher.com/making-postive-impact-impoverished-communities)

What about all those starving children who suffer.

Yes, you can say that's the devil's fault, but then, you have to admit, the Devil seems more powerful than God. If everyone was really trying to work towards good, well...how is the world so bad? One answer is that the Devil is more powerful.

Sidebar: I say the things you speak of are a result of man's falling AWAY FROM God. Our only sense of wrong doing comes from a conscience. what to do about all those SEARED consciences is more the question ?????


Questions are:

First off, for the sake of discussion, let's *assume* that God exists per the Judeo-Christian tradition.

1) How do we know that God's will is correct and good? Is there circumstantial evidence in support of this, or is it something we believe blindly?

2) Is there circumstantial evidence that God's will *may not* be good??? But in fact, may be bad?

No...as I said... bad things that happen are always a result of the devil who comes to kill, steal, & destroy humanity & their relationship with God our Father. but....

Thanks to God we are not consumed.

two types of people - people whose heart is Godward, and people whose heart isn't - which type are you? Would you be thrilled to know that God is real? I'm thrilled to know!

Well you do have to admit that it wasnt Satan creating a huge flood to wipe all humankind from the face of the planet as well as all the innocent animals. What did they do exactly to warrant that out pouring of anger from god?

Are you making a point here? Obsession and a feeling of being deceived would also be emotions experienced by humans and NOT omniscient beings.

What people miss is that God's jealousy is not that of a rejected lover, but that of a rejected parent.

What would be advantageous to a supposedly "omniscient being" to eradicate any other previously existing spirituality or even religion? Once again it sounds just like the jealous boyfriend or girlfriend who is hell bent on demanding that you sever all ties from others of the opposite sex that you might have shared a relationship with prior.

What normally causes that behavior in a human?

A sense of superiority?

Or insecurity?

The bible was written by men so there is no other point of reference.

I will tell you one thing. It does not stem from "love".

Do you, for instance, want to be governed by Iranian law?

Well Russia was involved with Afghanistan but are not involved with the Israel and Palestinen conflict.

China is interested in raping raw materials from other countries to feed their huge factories to produce goods. It is a business

Europe isn't involved directly, but they do worry about Iran's nuclear ambitions, but not too much the Israel and Palestinen conflicts.

I was refering to the Israel and Palestinen conflict and not the other countries.