I do not want to argue the point much more but there is an old saying that goes like this...in order for evil to exist ,all it takes is for good men to do nothing...
When folks get on here and condone adultery, that raises the hair on my neck as well it should...Did you or any of these people who have commented on this taught their kids that adultery is cool? And why does age make a difference?
Lead by example..
God gave us free even to break his commandments. Do not confuse free will with "it's okay" He never said adultery was a right form of living, or have I missed the page in my Bible?

I used the term commitment as it would be biblically which is marriage...Is there not a commandment that says "thou shall not commit adultery" What is your definition of adultery?
FWB by all accounts is such an act...

You can say what you want but to glorify fwb by using the do not judge me clause is dumb to say the least ...You either believe in whore like behavior or not ..again it is simple...I have said nothing derogatory about you or your friends...They are what they are and if they have sex without commitment then they are whores by definition...got it....male or female by the way...

So in better words ,you are saying that your morals and Godly beliefs change with age...How deplorable an example can you be when you deny the basic principles of Christian living just because you are 50 plus...I will repeat myself ...we should be getting closer to God the older we get not selling Him out because it is convenient.
This forum is a way of talking about issues which includes grammar and definitions of words...FWB is by definition non committed sexual relations.So in your world it is okay to defy God and the written word..not in mine...way to simple...
You believe the way you do and when you go public with those beliefs then I am allowed to comment not judge...I have not judged you but would suggest that I have...

This is going nowhere ...you are like a brick..You brought up poker not me...You obviously do not know of sites that millions play at for free every day..are they doing something wrong because you believe all poker is associated with money...I think you are misguided..and misinformed..
as an added note poker is a form of numbers and odds and all kinds of mathematical equations...why would I not teach my child how to play and then warn them against the dangers of playing for money..one has little to do with the other..One is a form of math and one is for profit..can you not see the difference?

you wrote and I quote"Mike,

I'm trying to understand your concept....

Playing poker for money is wrong.
Playing poker NOT for money is ok.

Then I would ask...do you play poker with any age group? Or do you only play poker with adults over a certain age, or do you play poker in secret where NO ONE ELSE could ever SEE you?

Poker has ruined several lives and families.

Shouldn't YOU then, under your own belief system, NOT play poker at all in order to set a good EXAMPLE?


My answer to that is that I play for fun not money now and I do not hide when I do it..How has playing poker for fun ever ruined a life..You baffle me with your belief system..

Your answer is so wrong in so many ways...apples and orange argument...I asked about your advise to a 20 year old female not a kid in a car
I have a granddaughter who at the age of 8 was driving a golf cart and by ten I have taught her the ways of the road.I give her advise and it will never change..right is right ,wrong is wrong...I have taught her that if she gets dangerous ,she may get hurt and that will stay with her.
The ground work for a good adult life is a good foundation and for you to say you would not force them to obey you is saying you did not get through to them in the 18 years given to you to do so..If you lived a clean upstanding life and set a good example ,no force is necessary..The reward in this case is you looking back and being proud because your children followed your example...

As good as I am at poker , I have quit playing for money because I feel it is wrong to take from folks who can not control themselves and do gamble their savings away..I consider gambling to be when money is on the table....self control once again comes to play...I assure you I could go make a living at poker and decline to do so...It is not my place to cause others pain by taking the money offered up just because I can...

One more time around...I address this to you...it is sad that you would say no to a 18 or 20 year old having uncommitted sex but would change that lesson with age..A good leader sets examples and lives by them...A bad one says its okay for me but not for you...
You mentioned individual choice...What a sad excuse for lacking moral turpitude ..Sex I believe was for procreation and not for feeling good..I will state it again for you...I believe good sex is a reward for a good relationship and a committed one. .How hard is that to understand...
Do you personally look in the mirror and smile afterwards with someone who is not committed to you.Or do you think ,maybe i am being used.Have you ever felt shorted when you have given your body to someone who is gone? How about the simple question? Would you date a male whore? I personally do not want my mate to be all wore out..I think it says something about their moral fortitude.
Are you just is trying to make it right by forgetting the rules you would give a 20 year old..

I have tried to answer sages post and it came up as mine

Sage you say you do not condone prostitution...The act of prostitution comes to play when there is a monetary gain for sex...Yet you declare that some folks can not marry for different reasons most of which are monetary..what is the difference between getting monetary benefits or getting paid for the hidden act?

It is a sad statement in society that we teach our children to not do what you are condoning here.Did you teach your daughters to be free with there sexual habits or have respect for themselves..I wonder after reading the entries here..
What we are discussing here is to be blunt is sex without commitment..Bad idea as it is a road to hurt...disease and unwanted babies who end up aborted..but who am I to throw stones...I am the MAN who has turned down getting laid repeatedly in the past five years...Why ...because I have morals and believe in God..We are to be good stewards to all He has given us including our health which is both mental, physical and emotional.
As for throwing stones, we in America put women in jail daily for prostitution and the reason is simple ..It is wrong...There used to be laws against co-habitation because we were a Christian nation...We are no longer that and the results are as plain as day...More degradation...no more boundaries and more abortions than ever..
In my world ,It is so much easier to have personal morals and live up to them than risk disease , numerous broken hearts and looking back to realize that I am nothing but a whore.

It is hard for me to believe what I just read...The majority of the answers forgot about God ,and morals and used age as a good reason.What have we all become when we do not respect ourselves for convenience or sex or monetary reasons as Sage suggests...What ever happened to the definition of whore whether it be male or female..or is that just acceptable because it is convenient to forget about God..At our age we should be believing in Him more and more not less...
Benefits are for doing something right not wrong..(other than wall street) A committed relationship is the best sexual stimulant we could ever hope for and great sex is the reward. .Good benefits get better with security and love and peace of mind knowing that at our age we should be with the one we will be with till we pass and believing in that.
In closing I will anger some but what I will say is the truth with no excuses needed.If you want too be a whore(male or female ) do so ,but recognize it for what it is...do not make excuses ..and then color it pretty by calling it friends with benefits.

I am sorry but this makes no sense to me...The act of him hitting another is a aggressive act..the act of defending oneself is quite different..A boy of this age needs to know how it feels to be hit..If he hits another they will hit back and if has no value to the word pain he will go hitting others till someone hurts him bad...
My momma had a saying something like this...if you think it is bad here ,wait till you get in the real world...
I would suggest to the woman asking for advice to listen to the men here as we know what the real world is like from a male prospective and that is what this child lacks..Good strong male idealism....He must first learn to respect his mother and himself..Good boys watch out for their mom and protect her ,not abuse her..Make sure he understands that and he will be well on his way to becoming a man.

Has it made a difference in my life?
...I learned a few things and that make a difference in the way I see these sites..I learned that the majority of folks behind keyboards belong there..The amount of censorship is unreal ..constructive criticism is better relayed in person. .vulgarity is rampant..and sadly the moral conduct among adults is appalling..If the censors took out all references to sexual organs and ways to use them the forums would be a great place to visit however that is not the style here..so we get stuck reading through trash to find readable content....
Dollar value is perfect however ...after all we get what we pay for....you asked...
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I learned that this is not my place to be and I would urge every one here looking for a relationship to leave the comfort of your home and keyboard and go find one...My logic there is that the more we exersice the longer we live ,hence more time to make friends....
...and yes I will be deleting my profile...

to ljnsn.
you wrote this "It's just hard but you have to be picky. Men our age, if they're good men, are either married or widowed. If widowed, they tend to get into another relationship fast. So the pickins' are slim. It seems to me the men out there are looking for Barbie even though they're sitting around with a beer belly and a balding head. It's a freak show out there but you still have to have hope!"
and you are here looking for what...more freakin freaks cause you have entered a world here that defies logic and morals and common sense as you have showed yourself...The best way to find a guy here is not to call us names or insult them but you are here doing that, so may you be blessed with everything you deserve..seems to me you are looking for Ken with a few extra pounds(read her profile)Do not be mad at us cause you ain't Barbie...Be mad at yourself...
By the way i am 55 y o, 155 lbs on a thin 6' frame with all kinds of hair...in your world ,does that define freak?
I am sorry to offend you but you offended most of us men on your first post.......

Here goes another post that will probably be pulled...
So why are you and I am presuming you are a man , so interested in a womans freedom or restriction on abortion..
It is a complex subject and depends on the personality involved and circumstances..
I would never do it ,would never help do it or ever help pass a law that encourages it.
I am asking why you want it to be a option when the life of the child or mother are not in jeopardy. Birth control maybe?
Option out for child support payments? Tell me but do not use the excuse that government is trying to control you...You have the option of birth control, men and women, so why are birth rates up among teens and teenage abortions up..Lack of control...sad but true and then we get cussed out for trying to control...
Abortion kills...are you pro gun...
I chose to err on the side of the life to be and not the corpse to be..

This is way to simple...In poker we have a saying , it goes just like life, if you don't play the hand you cant win the pot!! Sometimes you gotta play the hand and risk it.!

I confess to the following stupidity...The stupid piece of whatever under meat when you buy it got me...When I was first single , I bought some steaks ,put one in the pan and the plastic was still there stuck to the steak..did not make for a great meal and stank up the kitchen.Live and learn ....

Mikey,
This is the last thing i expected to see come from your keyboard..wasn't it you asking for prayers for a golfing friend who passed and wasn't it you who jumped the case of some rude person who mocked your post....and wasn't it you who had a depressing post discussing him....but we are here for "fun"...then I ask ,,,what is your definition of fun.......only when it is your post is it fun....for anyone who thinks accidental gun deaths are funny.....let it be a relative or someone you know....we'll see how you think then...was this person who won the award to low of a form to pray for or have empathy for? I think not and have no intention of lightening up for anyone who thinks that way or finds humor in that sort of thing....
It is still sad to see how much folks go to to get attention.
..This post was started as if it was new news and worthy of comment..It is not, unless it is to show the sad state of mind some have...
Well you know where I stand and that is what these rooms are for....
My suggestion to you is not to be two-faced in your writings.