India's outsource businesses cannot be considered "sweat shops". India has strong worker's rights laws, and has even recognized the right to unionize since 1926. I think we may have a problem with terminology. I'm kind of a stickler for that. It is difficult to have coherent conversations when you are speaking different languages.

Very cryptic.

I didn't know about that. Thank goodness for those civil rights activists who pushed the American Government to take action. Of course, there is no such likelihood outside of the American jurisdiction for such activism. The only reason that happened is because of the publicity Tom Delay's visit to Samoa. Is there any liklihood that such a thing will happen in China or even Mexico.

I hadn't heard that other sweat shops treat their workers well. It flies in the face of the definition of "sweat shop".

Whoa! Triple Post!

Keep the insults coming. I love them. the stories I have heard about form about the suffering in sweatshops is enough to make your hair curl. Here is the story of a sweatshop worker in American Samoa, where Tom Delay told a gathering that that this was the American ideal that e had always ben working for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjbdIK2ijU

Keep the insults coming. I love them. the stories I have heard about form about the suffering in sweatshops is enough to make your hair curl. Here is the story of a sweatshop worker in American Samoa, where Tom Delay told a gathering that that this was the American ideal that e had always ben working for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjbdIK2ijU

Keep the insults coming. I love them. the stories I have heard about form about the suffering in sweatshops is enough to make your hair curl. Here is the story of a sweatshop worker in American Samoa, where Tom Delay told a gathering that that this was the American ideal that e had always ben working for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjbdIK2ijU

I didn't see anything in the section you quoted that could be called a lie. I saw an opinion piece. It seems a little over the top to accuse somebody of being a liar for expressing an opinion. (I wouldn't have called you a "joke". We are not supposed to do that in this forum.)

P.S. Sweat shops are inherently inhumane, abusive and exploitative. It seems very cruel to approve of that kind of environment for anybody in the world.

You see, Businesses pay off their bank loans out of their revenues. They even get a tax deduction on the interest. No different whether it is a small business or a huge corpration. If the owners have looted the business treasury for the sake of life-style spending, then they are likely to face high personal income taxes. If they have left more money in their business, they are likely to face much lower lifestyle taxes. This is a good way to keep their money away from the Government.
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I am afraid that this is simply not true. Unless you are fortunate enough to Invest in an IPO, the shares you are trading are already in circulation, like trading baseball cards.the fleer bubble gum company doesn't get any money from it. The only financial benefit to the company is the higher value of the shares that it itself holds. That's the way the stock market works.


And how is that not positive to the economy? It is good for individuals who should be saving money, and that is a good thing, but the American economy is 70% consumer driven. Money in savings and not spent is unavailable to the aggregate demand that feeds the economy. The point here was to debunk the common myth that by investing in the stock market, people are sending money to the companies. You were just wrong about that.

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Those dollars largely go to American Corporations who manufacture their goods overseas. Creates jobs, but not in America. The point of this was to demonstrate that These dollars do not create jobs in America. You left that part out


this is a complex paragraph. You are raising issues that weren't a part of the original exchange, but we can talk about this, too.
1) There is a vast difference between published corporate income tax rates and taxes actually paid. the figure I have heard is around 13%
2) I hardly think the contributions from unions (which comprise under 9% of the private work force) even begin to compare with contributions from contributors like the Koch Brothers.
3) Workers are also in business to make a living. Not to make business owners richer. Workers do not volunteer to take jobs as unpaid volunteers. History has shown us that when top income rates are high and Unionization rates are high, everybody gets richer. I have read where you think sweatshops are a good thing. Good for poor workers in countries that have failed to manage their economies for the good of their populace. Certainly good for exploiters. I personally don't want to see America gets to the point where sweatshops would be considered a great thing for American workers. However, I applaud your altruism for the workers of foreign countries.

It is true that there are American companies that that wield great power in America Koch Industries, for instance. That really isn't the question. It is also true that as American wages more closely approach third world wages, some few employers are finding it more cost effective to operate in America.Keep 'em coming.

That seems to be pretty personally insulting to me, but keep it coming. This kind of thing says much more about the poster than it does about me. I think your opinions are wrong and lead to specious conclusions.

The traditional way is to borrow it from the bank. this is a good thing because it increases the money supply without necessarily being inflationary. As I earlier said, the decision is the same for the small business owner as it is for the large CEO. Leave money in the business to reinvest tax free, or use it for lifestyle spending. I would even argue that the small business owner have it better, because he doesn't have stockholders to answer to. I have explained these things on these message boards so many times. I will be happy to do so again and again.

. I am afraid that this is simply not true. Unless you are fortunate enough to Invest in an IPO, the shares you are trading are already in circulation, like trading baseball cards.the fleer bubble gum company doesn't get any money from it. The only financial benefit to the company is the higher value of the shares that it itself holds. That's the way the stock market works. Those dollars largely go to American Corporations who manufacture their goods overseas. Creates jobs, but not in America.

I just really couldn't let this pass. First, to be clear, the arguments about "taxing the rich" pertains to personal income taxes. Has nothing to do with corporate of capital gains taxes. In other words, this tax is only relevant to money that people take home to spend on their life-style.



It doesn't matter whether you are talking about a tiny mom and pop corporation or a giant multinational, it is only lifestyle money that we are talking about. Money that remains invested in a business doesn't get taxed at all. Money that remains in a Corporation as retained earnings is taxed at the Corporate rate. The large business CEO and the small business owner have the same choices to make. If a small business is well enough managed to provide for large lifestyle money withdrawals, then the owner will accumulate personal wealth and lots of toys. A large portion of his lifestyle money will likely find it's way into the stock market, where it will do no good for the consumer economy. No different than the large CEO. If his business requires more capital, he can chose to forego the lifestyle money and will possibly not reach the threshold where people are thinking that it would be reasonable to raise his taxes. His tax-free investment in his business will create more jobs and more growth. That's how small business gets to be the major job generator in our country.

It could be that there will be no increase in gun violence. It seems like a risky gamble. My mind is open on this. I don't like the idea of concealed weapons. I want to know who around me is packing. I run into some folks up here who wear pistols in holsters. Mostly for bears or cougars. No problem. I don't know why anybody would want to keep the fact that they are packing a secret from the people they are around.
the ones who are up front about it don't worry me. The ones who want to keep it a secret make me wonder. They are not people I want to be around.

I find out about the things that the MSM doesn't tell us about on my favorite left-wing talk radio. When I hear about something interesting, I immediately research the topic on the internet for credible sources to varify it. I do that so that I won't be citing liberal sources when I argue about these things. I rarely find a discrepancy.

can't wait to hear the news from all those drunken frat parties at FSU.

You're so cute when you're angry, Andrew.

You're so cute when you're angry, Andrew.

OOOO! Now, I think we're getting into personal threats. Not just insults. You're a scary guy, Donald.

{quote]Your the only one who said anything derogatory about African American's in this thread. Which you still haven't responded to by the way.

Remind me. It must have been a really forgettable exchange. What did I say that was derogatory to African-Americans. What is that I am supposed to be responding to?

Wow! A Lot has happened on this thread since I logged off last night. Let's see. First, I need to respond to Andrew:

Oops! I skipped right past your post. It would be rude not to respond to you. {quote]You likewise toss your share of insults and insinuation.You bet I do! (Did you think I would have a problem saying that?) I have been the recipient of more personal insults from the likes of you than any other poster on this message board since my first post. You really don't expect to get some of it back? Who, really, do you think you are that your can throw out the crap and not get some of it thrown back at you? One thing I can say is that i have never gone crying to mommy and daddy administrator about it.



Well, yes. Do you really expect to win an argument with ideas that you have made up out of your own imagination with no credible corroberation? I tend to like fact-based arguments. I guess that's just me. Personally, I am not so arrogant as to think that my creative constructions are powerful enough to create a new reality. I expect to be asked to prove my assertions. This is apparently anathema to the Conservatives on this board. I will say that InvictusV and Chazter are the only people here that offer credible corroberation for their assertions. They are always wrong, but I give them credit for building a proper case. I am not much impressed with their personal invective.

Oh, and this caught my eye.



Democrats are furious with Obama because he has not inflamed things nearly enough. Your guys are destroying our country. We think it's way past time for our President to stand up and fight for people like us. We don't care how much you hate him. We are praying for him to take actions that will make you hate him even more. We are not here to make nice. We are here to help somebody to save our country

Yes, we are in a depression, and your guys caused it and are fighting to make it even worst. Your Gods in congress have told us this. Their only goal is to ensure that Obama is a one-term President and to "starve the beast" and they are willing to destroy America in order to accomplish that. It's so crystal clear. The whole world sees it. Why can't you?

You don't think that was a personal insult? Sure looked like one to me. BTW,m if you were having a personal moment with somebody, these are usually best handled with emails. Message board threads are open to all comers. You don't get to have exclusive rights to a message board thread. It's easy to understand why you don't want to debate with me, but you have no power to prevent me from putting in my two cents. Nobody cares how bothered you are by my input. Least of all me.

I guess nobody is able to give me an answer. Just hurling personal insults isn't much of a substitute for an honest answer. I guess you only do what you can do.