Topic: What are you learning from your news source?
Redykeulous's photo
Tue 07/12/11 03:10 PM
Are you satisfied with your news sources?

Dean Baker, the author of the following article, argues that most mainstream reporters have failed to keep the public educated about the realities of the Federal budget and the economy and the politicians, who either purposely use the public's lack of education to manipulate the population, or those politicians are simply uneducated themselves: Their hope being that the media is doing a good job keeping the public as much in the dark as they are themselves.

Do you think Dean Baker is correct? Do you think your news sources are adequately keeping you “in the know?”



Full article can be found at:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/11-13

Published on Monday, July 11, 2011 by The Guardian/UK

Manufacturing Deficit Fear: On Holding Economic Journalists to Account

Pursuing a plan to kill social security, politicians are relying on a credulous public and compliant media to ramp up debt panic


by Dean Baker

The conventional wisdom among the current generation of school reformers is that bad teachers are to blame for the failure of many of our children to learn. Applying this logic to the current debates over the budget and the economy, we should be pointing a big finger of blame at the media

One needs only to pick up a newspaper or turn on the television to get examples of thoroughly awful reporting. When we hear pledges to reduce the projected deficits over the next 12 years by $2tn or $4tn, how many people have any clue how large these reductions – on which the current debt ceiling talks between President Obama and House speaker John Boehner turn – are, relative to projected spending or projected GDP over this period? (The $4tn figure is 8.7% of projected spending and 3.7% of GDP.)

How about that $14.3tn figure for the debt ceiling? That's a really big number, really scary. So is just about every number connected with the United States budget. We are a huge country with a huge economy. Competent reporters would focus on this being about 90% of US GDP.

Is that big? Well, the debt to GDP ratio was over 110% after the second world war. The United Kingdom had debt to GDP ratios of more than 100% for much of the 19th century, as it was establishing itself as the world's pre-eminent industrial power. Japan has a debt to GDP ratio of more than 220% of GDP and can still borrow in financial markets long-term at interest rates of less than 1.5%.

So, what's the problem? The politicians who want to cut social security and Medicare obviously want the public to believe that there is a huge problem and – due to the incompetence of the media – they have managed to instill fear throughout the nation about this massive non-problem.

If the media were doing their job, the public would be able to put these debt numbers in context. And the politicians who attempted to exploit fears based on ignorance would be subjected to ridicule. For example, when Senator John McCain was basing his 2008 president campaign on attacking the $1m spent on creating a Woodstock museum, competent reporters would have barraged him with questions as to whether McCain understood that this came to 0.00003% of federal spending.

They would ask him how much time he thinks that Congress should spend scrutinising three hundred thousandths of 1% of the federal budget. If Congress spent one minute debating every McCain Woodstock museum-sized expenditure, it would take it 6.3 years to get through this year's budget, assuming that it was in session 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

In the same vein, when a politician asserts that social security is going bankrupt and that there will not be anything left for her children or grandchildren, serious reporters would ridicule her for being ignorant of the social security trustees projections. These projections show that even if nothing is ever done to change the programme, future beneficiaries will always be able to collect a higher benefit than current retirees. The "nothing there for our children" would be treated as a serious gaffe, sort of like then Senator Obama's comment before the Pennsylvania primary about working-class people being bitter and clinging to guns and religion. The difference is that the social security comment has direct relevance for policies that affect people's lives.



Zimzane's photo
Tue 07/12/11 03:22 PM
The only news sourse I listen to is on the radio is which they always bash President Obama. They happen to be correct with every comment they make.laugh laugh

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/12/11 03:27 PM
I take half of what I see and hear on the news and that is it. Correlating several stories on the same topic can help disseminate what is crap and what has any semblance of truth.

InvictusV's photo
Tue 07/12/11 04:01 PM
Did this guy learn his accounting methods at Enron?

We have x amount of revenue and y amount of expenditures and the expenditures are 30% more than the revenue, but because we have the potential to make z amount at a later date we can conclude that we don't have any debt at all and actually are making a profit.











msharmony's photo
Tue 07/12/11 04:09 PM
my news(local news) only informs me of 'NEWS'...new stuff that has broken in the most recent twenty four hours


I dont really watch news STATIONS as they usually lean to one side or another instead of giving objective facts and reports



no photo
Tue 07/12/11 05:49 PM
I find out about the things that the MSM doesn't tell us about on my favorite left-wing talk radio. When I hear about something interesting, I immediately research the topic on the internet for credible sources to varify it. I do that so that I won't be citing liberal sources when I argue about these things. I rarely find a discrepancy.

InvictusV's photo
Tue 07/12/11 07:30 PM
I prefer rune casting.

I ask for Odin's guidance on the important issues and to give me strength in dealing with the leftist nonsense I see daily on these boards.






AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/12/11 08:19 PM

I prefer rune casting.

I ask for Odin's guidance on the important issues and to give me strength in dealing with the leftist nonsense I see daily on these boards.








But don't you see the future in Chicken Entrails like I do?

Dragoness's photo
Tue 07/12/11 09:14 PM

Are you satisfied with your news sources?

Dean Baker, the author of the following article, argues that most mainstream reporters have failed to keep the public educated about the realities of the Federal budget and the economy and the politicians, who either purposely use the public's lack of education to manipulate the population, or those politicians are simply uneducated themselves: Their hope being that the media is doing a good job keeping the public as much in the dark as they are themselves.

Do you think Dean Baker is correct? Do you think your news sources are adequately keeping you “in the know?”



Full article can be found at:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/11-13

Published on Monday, July 11, 2011 by The Guardian/UK

Manufacturing Deficit Fear: On Holding Economic Journalists to Account

Pursuing a plan to kill social security, politicians are relying on a credulous public and compliant media to ramp up debt panic


by Dean Baker

The conventional wisdom among the current generation of school reformers is that bad teachers are to blame for the failure of many of our children to learn. Applying this logic to the current debates over the budget and the economy, we should be pointing a big finger of blame at the media

One needs only to pick up a newspaper or turn on the television to get examples of thoroughly awful reporting. When we hear pledges to reduce the projected deficits over the next 12 years by $2tn or $4tn, how many people have any clue how large these reductions – on which the current debt ceiling talks between President Obama and House speaker John Boehner turn – are, relative to projected spending or projected GDP over this period? (The $4tn figure is 8.7% of projected spending and 3.7% of GDP.)

How about that $14.3tn figure for the debt ceiling? That's a really big number, really scary. So is just about every number connected with the United States budget. We are a huge country with a huge economy. Competent reporters would focus on this being about 90% of US GDP.

Is that big? Well, the debt to GDP ratio was over 110% after the second world war. The United Kingdom had debt to GDP ratios of more than 100% for much of the 19th century, as it was establishing itself as the world's pre-eminent industrial power. Japan has a debt to GDP ratio of more than 220% of GDP and can still borrow in financial markets long-term at interest rates of less than 1.5%.

So, what's the problem? The politicians who want to cut social security and Medicare obviously want the public to believe that there is a huge problem and – due to the incompetence of the media – they have managed to instill fear throughout the nation about this massive non-problem.

If the media were doing their job, the public would be able to put these debt numbers in context. And the politicians who attempted to exploit fears based on ignorance would be subjected to ridicule. For example, when Senator John McCain was basing his 2008 president campaign on attacking the $1m spent on creating a Woodstock museum, competent reporters would have barraged him with questions as to whether McCain understood that this came to 0.00003% of federal spending.

They would ask him how much time he thinks that Congress should spend scrutinising three hundred thousandths of 1% of the federal budget. If Congress spent one minute debating every McCain Woodstock museum-sized expenditure, it would take it 6.3 years to get through this year's budget, assuming that it was in session 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

In the same vein, when a politician asserts that social security is going bankrupt and that there will not be anything left for her children or grandchildren, serious reporters would ridicule her for being ignorant of the social security trustees projections. These projections show that even if nothing is ever done to change the programme, future beneficiaries will always be able to collect a higher benefit than current retirees. The "nothing there for our children" would be treated as a serious gaffe, sort of like then Senator Obama's comment before the Pennsylvania primary about working-class people being bitter and clinging to guns and religion. The difference is that the social security comment has direct relevance for policies that affect people's lives.





My news sources are varied. I even go onto the right wing hate sights on occasion to see what the new "beef" is for them. It helps to understand their intentions better if I read it from the horses mouth.

It is important to me to get all angles if I can. Then I feel my conclusions and actions that follow are solidly founded.

I never believe those who are just talking without research or even trust my family or friends to have it right. I have found too often they do not have the correct information and they are too personally biased most of the time.

Redykeulous's photo
Wed 07/13/11 08:18 AM

Did this guy learn his accounting methods at Enron?

We have x amount of revenue and y amount of expenditures and the expenditures are 30% more than the revenue, but because we have the potential to make z amount at a later date we can conclude that we don't have any debt at all and actually are making a profit.













Well according to Baker, the quote above is exactly the kind of information we seem to be getting from mainstream media. If that all the more educated those reporters are then obviously no one learning anything - above quote is case in point.

no photo
Wed 07/13/11 08:58 AM
Dean Baker is a journalist and far leftist who fervently believes in Keynesian economics. He also does not have a degree in economics or in fact any degree according to his official biography.

Dict8's photo
Wed 07/13/11 09:00 AM
I know Fox News is bullsh1t!

:tongue:

InvictusV's photo
Wed 07/13/11 09:16 AM


Did this guy learn his accounting methods at Enron?

We have x amount of revenue and y amount of expenditures and the expenditures are 30% more than the revenue, but because we have the potential to make z amount at a later date we can conclude that we don't have any debt at all and actually are making a profit.
















Well according to Baker, the quote above is exactly the kind of information we seem to be getting from mainstream media. If that all the more educated those reporters are then obviously no one learning anything - above quote is case in point.


We were taught accrual accounting in the 11th grade.

Its probably the most common accounting practice there is.

I don't really think giving an example of what can be done using that method is based on a lack of learning the concept, you can take a look at the case against ENRON and see it firsthand.

That may actually force YOU to read something other than this left wing nonsense you continually post.