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Sat 11/22/08 04:08 PM
Yeah, it's junk! The guys who said those things should not feel good about it and those listening are not served well either. But the argument that it should be banned or in some way regulated is just as sad. The problem with this type of debate is that I could (and if asked to do so, will gladly do so) find many examples of the left calling people names and being mean--accusing people of being "Hitler" and of committing mass murder, blah, blah, ad infinitum.

BOTH sides do this and for people on the left to argue that this is exclusively a problem with those sitting on the right is in fact, intellectually dishonest.

It works both ways. Both are wrong. But both are also protected speech. It would probably be a good idea for all of us to remember that freedom of speech is not just that speech that you agree with.

-Drew

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Tue 11/18/08 06:51 AM
Gas prices had been up for well over a year when the credit market froze. Besides, wasn't Bush going over there to take all of their oil? I mean, where is it? I don't mind healthy critique but it seems as if the theory changes to meet the circumstances. Yes, this administration has been a mess for a long time, I'll not argue that, but to lay the entire financial hit on one person is just ridiculous.

-Drew

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Mon 11/17/08 05:46 PM

In his trademark goofy way, George W. Bush explained why he supported a bailout of the U.S. financial markets, saying he was “a free-market person, until you're told that if you don't take decisive measures then it's conceivable that our country could go into a depression greater than the Great Depression.”

So, with a smirk on his face, President Bush explained the predicament that the United States and the world face after eight years of his incompetence and mismanagement – teetering on the edge of a catastrophe “greater than the Great Depression.”

Yet what is remarkable about American news coverage of this extraordinary moment – and Bush’s strangely light-hearted comment at the end of the Nov. 15 global economic summit – is how little blame is being laid specifically at Bush’s door.

In a pattern typical of the preceding eight years, major U.S. journalists are focusing on almost everything else – from Sarah Palin’s political future to what President-elect Barack Obama should do after he’s inaugurated in two months – not the lessons that should be learned from Bush’s disastrous presidency.

An example was Tom Brokaw’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, which addressed the financial and energy crises with nary a negative word spoken about Bush.

It was as if everyone else was responsible for the nation’s troubles, from unions and auto executives to Congress and Obama (for not providing immediate answers). Just not the person who is still in charge and who was chiefly responsible for taking the United States from an era of peace, prosperity and budget surpluses to the precipice of endless war, economic devastation and national bankruptcy.

Part of that may be that Brokaw and some of his fellow pundits, such as New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, were major enablers of Bush’s most harmful decisions. Brokaw and Friedman were among the leading journalists in 2002-03 who didn’t ask tough questions about the Iraq invasion and indeed cheered the war on.

Brokaw, Friedman and company also didn’t recognize the obvious danger to the United States that Bush represented in 2000 when he and his Republican allies ran a down-and-dirty campaign against Al Gore and then blocked the counting of Florida’s votes so Bush could slip into the White House.

The big-name pundits almost all bought into the myth that Bush’s strange ascension to the White House -- as the first popular-vote loser in more than a century -- was a good idea, pushing out Bill Clinton’s crowd and putting “the adults back in charge.”

Beyond the affront that Bush’s “election” represented to American democracy, there also was the troubling fact that Bush had a long history of messing up whatever he touched and then “failing upward,” pulled out of trouble by his father’s rich friends.

However, when this well-born wastrel was elevated to the highest office on earth, there was really no way that daddy or daddy’s friends could either control him or save him from himself. It may be that not even all the central banks in all the world can undo the damage that George W. Bush has done.

That big-name American journalists failed to recognize this danger back in Campaign 2000 represented another example of their professional limitations and moral deficiencies. At the time, it was easier to go with the flow.

But the inadequacies of George W. Bush were well-known during Campaign 2000, although readers often had to search out the facts on the Internet or in a few small-circulation liberal magazines. Bush’s ominous history of business failures -- his reverse Midas touch -- drew far less attention than the bogus stories about “Lyin’ Al” Gore and his “exaggerations.”

Warning the Electorate

At Consortiumnews.com, we were among those small outlets that tried to warn the American electorate about these risks. We also recounted this reality in our book, Neck Deep, an excerpt of which follows:

At times grudgingly, George W. Bush traced virtually every early step his father took. Like his father, George W. went to both Phillips Andover Academy and Yale and joined the secretive Yale fraternity Skull and Bones.

Like his father – when starting out on his own career – George W. exploited both wealthy family connections and the nexus between oil and politics. Like his father, too, George W. joined the armed forces during war time.

But George W.’s early record had the look of a child shuffling around in his father’s oversized shoes. In school, George W. was a C student, while his father graduated Phi Beta Kappa. In sports, George the father was captain of the Yale baseball team while George the son was captain of the cheerleading squad.

George Sr. served under fire as a naval aviator in the Pacific theater of World War II, while George Jr. slipped past other better qualified candidates into the Texas Air National Guard where he would avoid service in Vietnam and leave behind long-term questions about his duty records and premature departure.

Bush’s checkered history with the National Guard coincided with a period of his life when he drank heavily and apparently abused cocaine, although he never exactly admitted to that last fact. During his presidential run in 2000, Bush acknowledged the drinking problem – in the context of saying he had licked the bottle with the help of his Christian faith – but he slid away from the cocaine question.

When pressed, he didn’t confirm or deny that he abused cocaine but asserted that he could have met his father’s White House personnel requirement that set time limits on how far back an applicant would have to admit illegal drug use.

Despite this implicit confirmation of drug abuse, most of the major news outlets, such as The New York Times, took Bush’s side and reported that there was no evidence Bush had ever used illegal drugs.

But what he may have lacked in early accomplishments, he made up for in ambition and charm, two traits that served him well in both business and politics. In 1978, his ambition led George W. Bush to embrace his father’s two career paths, oil and politics.

With almost no political experience, George W. launched an uphill campaign for the U.S. Congress in 1978. He lost badly to the Democratic incumbent. That same year, he incorporated his own oil-drilling venture, Arbusto (Spanish for bush) Energy.

George W. Bush’s oil business venture seemed promising at first. Just as his father had done nearly 30 years prior, George W. sought financial assistance from an uncle, this time, Jonathan Bush, a Wall Street financier. Jonathan Bush pulled together two dozen investors to raise $3 million to help launch Arbusto.

James Bath, one of George W.’s friends from the National Guard, also invested $50,000 for a five percent stake. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, scion of the wealthy Saudi bin Laden family and half-brother of Osama bin Laden, who in the 1980s would be heading to Afghanistan to help Islamic fundamentalists resist the Soviet invasion.

Though responsible for investments for Salem bin Laden, Bath insisted that the $50,000 for Arbusto came from his own personal funds. (Salem bin Laden could not be questioned about the investment. He died in a 1988 plane crash in Texas.)

A History of Bailouts

In his subsequent business career, George W. was the beneficiary of three major bailouts.

The first occurred in 1982 when, despite the millions already pumped into Arbusto, the company faced a cash crunch. George W.’s balance sheet showed $48,000 in the bank and $400,000 owed to banks and other creditors.

George W. realized that he had to raise additional cash and decided to take Arbusto public. With the company so deeply in debt, however, George W. would need a new infusion of money to clear the books.

In stepped Philip Uzielli, a New York investor and friend of Bush Family lawyer James Baker III from their days at Princeton University. Uzielli worked out a deal with George W. to purchase a 10 percent stake in Arbusto for $1 million, though the entire company was valued at less than $400,000.

In a 1991 interview, Uzielli recalled the investment as a major money loser. “Things were terrible,” he said.

As bad as Uzielli’s investment turned out to be, George W. now had enough money to seek public investors. But first he decided to make one other change. In April 1982, perhaps realizing the negative connotation of “bust” in Arbusto, George W. changed the name of his company to Bush Exploration. The name change also made better use of Bush’s primary asset, his family name.

In June 1982, George W. issued a prospectus, seeking $6 million in the initial public offering. But he managed to raise only $1.14 million. The shortfall was due in large part to the waning interest in the oil industry among investors. The price for a barrel of oil was falling and special tax breaks for losses incurred in oil investments had been slashed.

Within two years, it was clear that Bush Exploration was in trouble again. Michael Conaway, George W.’s chief financial officer, told the Washington Post, “We didn’t find much oil and gas. We weren’t raising any money.” Something had to be done.

In walked bailout number two in the persons of Cincinnati investors, William DeWitt Jr. and Mercer Reynolds III. Heading up an oil exploration company called Spectrum 7, DeWitt and Mercer contacted George W. about a merger with Bush Exploration. For Bush and his struggling company, the decision wasn’t hard to make.

In February 1984, George W. agreed to a merger with Spectrum 7 in which Dewitt and Reynolds would each control 20.1 percent and George W. would own 16.3 percent. George W. was named chairman and chief executive officer of Spectrum 7, which brought him an annual salary of $75,000.

Even though the merged companies still failed to make any money, the pieces were finally starting to fall into place for George W. Bush.

Spectrum 7 president Paul Rea remembers Bush’s name as a definite “drawing card” for investors. With oil prices collapsing in the mid-1980s, however, it became clear that George W.’s name alone would not save the company.

In a six-month period in 1986, Spectrum 7 lost $400,000 and owed more than $3 million with no hope of paying those debts off. Once more, the situation was growing desperate.

In September 1986, George W. was tossed his third lifeline, this time by Harken Energy Corporation, a medium-sized, diversified company that was purchased in 1983 by a New York lawyer, Alan Quasha.

Quasha seemed interested in acquiring not just an oil company, but a relationship with the son of the then-Vice President, George H.W. Bush. Harken agreed to acquire Spectrum 7 in a deal that handed over one share of publicly traded stock for five shares of Spectrum, which at the time were practically worthless.

After the acquisition in 1986, George W. got a seat on the Harken board of directors, landed a $120,000-a-year job as a consultant and received $600,000 worth of Harken stock options. By any account, this wasn’t a bad deal for an oilman who had never made any money in the oil business and, indeed, had lost lots of money for his investors.

A Political Bonus

But Harken found that its investment at least in George W. appreciated. Though the company had acquired the son of the Vice President, it ended up in 1989 with the son of the President. Harken moved to exploit that upgrade by expanding its operations into the Middle East, where business and family connections are of legendary importance.

In 1989, the government of Bahrain was in the middle of negotiations with Amoco for an agreement to drill for offshore oil. Negotiations were progressing until the Bahrainis suddenly changed direction.

Michael Ameen, who was serving as a State Department consultant assigned to brief Charles Hostler, the newly confirmed U.S. ambassador to Bahrain, put the Bahraini government in touch with Harken Energy.

In January 1990, in a decision that shocked oil-industry analysts, Bahrain granted exclusive oil drilling rights to Harken, a company that had never before drilled outside Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma – and that had never before drilled offshore.

Nearly two years later, when The Wall Street Journal examined the curious Bahrain transaction, Bush declined to be interviewed but did agree to answer some questions in writing. Some of his responses were snippy, such as his answer to a question about whether his involvement in Dallas-based Harken lent it extra credibility in the Arab world.

“Ask the Bahranis,” Bush shot back.

Nevertheless, the January 1990 deal added to Harken’s stock value, with its shares rising more than 22 percent from $4.50 to $5.50. The run-up in Harken’s stock marked one of George W. Bush’s first successes in the oil business.

That limited success opened the door to Bush’s next step up the ladder, as a popular young owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team.

The beginning of that deal traced back to an idea of George W.’s Spectrum 7 partner, Bill DeWitt, whose father had owned the St. Louis Browns baseball team and later the Cincinnati Reds. DeWitt wanted to pull together a group of investors to buy the Texas Rangers.

To do so, DeWitt understood that he needed a native Texan in his group of investors. George W. fit the bill. The group of investors was missing only one thing – money. To address that need, George W. tapped a Yale fraternity brother, Roland Betts, who brought with him a partner from a film-investment firm, Tom Bernstein, both from New York.

The New York connection became a problem when Major League Baseball Commissioner Peter Ueberroth insisted on more financial backing from Texas-based investors. But Ueberroth was eager to put together a deal for the son of the President, so the commissioner brought in a second investment group headed by Richard Rainwater, who had built a $4 billion empire while working with the Bass family of Fort Worth.

Rainwater agreed to join Betts, Bernstein and George W. in the $86 million deal, but Rainwater imposed a strict limit on George W.’s active participation in the team.

Bush got to be called a “managing partner.” But – under Rainwater’s conditions – George W. would only be the handsome front man for the team; he would have no actual say in how it was run.

Selling Stock

To finance his part of the purchase price, Bush decided to sell two-thirds of his holdings in Harken. He pressed ahead with this decision though he knew that Harken was struggling financially and was planning to sell shares in two subsidiaries to avert bankruptcy.

Outside lawyers from the Haynes and Boone law firm advised Harken officers and directors on June 15, 1990, that if they possessed any negative information about the company’s outlook, a stock sale might be viewed as illegal trading. Bush, who had attended a meeting four days earlier on the plan to sell off the two subsidiaries, went ahead anyway.

On June 22, 1990, Bush sold 212,140 shares to a still-unidentified buyer who spared Bush the trouble of selling on the open market, which likely would have tanked Harken’s lightly traded stock and meant less money for Bush.

The sale also preceded Harken’s disclosure in August 1990 of more than $23 million in losses for the second quarter, which caused the stock to fall 20 percent before recovering for a time. To make matters worse, Bush missed deadlines by up to eight months for disclosing four stock sales to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

After the missed deadlines were noted in published reports in 1991, the SEC opened an insider-trading investigation. At the time, Bush’s father was President and the person responsible for appointing the SEC chairman.

George W. Bush denied any wrongdoing in the Harken stock sales. He insisted that he had sold into the “good news” of Harken landing offshore drilling rights in Bahrain. Bush’s lawyers also argued that he had cleared the stock sale with the Haynes and Boone lawyers, a claim that proved to be important in the SEC’s decision to close the investigation on August 21, 1991, without ever interviewing Bush.

But what the SEC didn’t know at the time was that the Haynes and Boone lawyers had sent Bush and other Harken officials that letter warning against selling shares if they knew about the company’s financial troubles. One day after the investigation was closed, Bush’s lawyer Robert W. Jordan delivered a copy of the warning letter to the SEC.

Asked years later about the letter, SEC investigators said they had no memory of reading it.

“The SEC investigation apparently never examined a key issue raised in the memo: whether Bush’s insider knowledge of a plan to rescue the company from financial collapse by spinning off two troubled units was a factor in his decision to sell,” the Boston Globe reported in October 2002, almost two years after Bush gained the presidency.

Bush also was less than forthcoming about why he missed the deadlines for reporting the June 1990 stock sale and three others. For years, he claimed publicly that he had sent the reports in on time and the SEC had lost them, a sort of the bureaucrats-ate-my-stock-sale-reports argument.

The issue resurfaced in 2002 after Enron and other major companies collapsed in accounting scandals. Bush was positioning himself as a friend of embattled shareholders and demanding that corporate officers reveal their stock sales almost immediately.

Asked why he had not lived up to his own admonition, Bush shifted the blame to Harken’s lawyers for the late filings. He then changed his story again to say that he simply didn’t know what had happened. He never apologized for claiming falsely for years that it had been the SEC’s fault.

Nevertheless, on June 22, 1990, Bush made $848,560 on his Harken stock sale. He used $606,000 of his profits to buy a 1.8 percent stake in the Texas Rangers baseball team. Then, after helping engineer public financing for a new baseball stadium in Arlington, Texas, he sold his interest in the Rangers for $14.9 million, more than 20 times his original investment.

The success of his Texas Rangers investment was even more dramatic when compared with what happened to the Harken stock that Bush sold for $4 a share to that unidentified buyer. A dozen years later, each of those shares would have been worth two cents.

George W.’s time with Harken and his part ownership of the Rangers made him a millionaire and a well-known personality in Texas. That measure of success had derived almost entirely from the family’s triangle of oil-political-financial connections, from Texas to Washington to Wall Street.

Though most of Bush’s sordid business history was known during Campaign 2000, it attracted little attention in the mainstream press, especially compared to the news media’s obsession with dissecting every comment by Al Gore for signs of exaggeration.

Even today, as George W. Bush’s crony capitalism, aversion to regulation, and his trillion-dollar war in Iraq have driven the U.S. – and the world’s – economy off the road and into financial quicksand, big-time journalists continue with their Bush deference. They won’t put too much blame on the person who arguably should top the list of those responsible.

While the Brokaws and Friedmans might justify their behavior as a resistance to “piling on” a lame-duck President, they also are contributing to a distorted history – one that fails to identify Bush and his political/media enablers as largely to blame for this global catastrophe.

By averting their eyes from Bush and focusing so much on Obama now, the mainstream U.S. news media also clears space for right-wing media voices like Rush Limbaugh to begin writing another false narrative, blaming the financial collapse on the incoming President not on the one who has held the office the past eight years.

That narrative, in turn, could restrict what an Obama administration can do once in office. That, in turn, could open the way for a possible Republican comeback in 2010, much as the GOP rebounded from Bill Clinton’s victory in 1992 to win both houses of Congress in 1994.

Though the U.S. press corps is loath to examine history, especially when it reflects badly on the Bush Family, the present – and the future – might hinge on the American people finally understanding how George W. Bush and his reverse-Midas touch managed to turn a relatively golden U.S. economy to dross in just eight years.

It was all predictable.
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http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/18717


Oh please---here we go again. Bush did not lend money to people who could not afford to take out loans. He was in the seat when it happened but there is plenty of blame to go around--and a lot of it falls on Reps. and Dems. alike. I will forever laugh at Barney Frank (D) talking about Fannie and Freddie a few years ago and about how strong they were, how there was no need to fear a crisis. Come on, Madison--you can do better than this. How about--the sinking of Titanic--have you figured out a way to blame that one on him yet?

-Drew

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Mon 11/17/08 05:38 PM

For some odd reason I get the feeling that everyone who defends Ted condemned clinton for his hetro sexuale affair


Actually, Madison, I did not think Clinton should have been hung for what he did, at least not by a bunch of Senators who have done the same. What I thought Monica should have done is hammered him with a sexual harassment suit. I manage about 23 people--more than 80% women. If I were to have done to one of my employees (as their boss) what the President did to an intern, I would be (and rightfully so) out of a job.

And I felt the same way about Senator Packwood (I'm not kidding, look it up if you think I'm making up that name as a poor attempt at humor) and I will feel that way the next time it happens.

I have no power--none, as a manager, compared to the President and I'd lose everything in a case like that. I always thought that it should have been looked at that way. But that's just me.

-Drew

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Mon 11/17/08 06:58 AM


America is the biggest TERRORIST on earth and anyone who can not see that is living a life of hallucination . Iraq belongs to Iraqis and not to the Americans or their neo cons or their Zionists or their Israel who instigated them to invade a sovereign nation . Wake up folks and smell the ugly truth .
drinker Im with you all the way there man!!! I question our involvement with Saddam from the beginning. We supported him a lot in the war with Iran. He had our technology and funding for years. Im am stating my concern for the region when we withdraw. We should never gone back in and took it over! Now we can only hold ourselves responsible.


That is so completely illogical. We had a moral responsibility to go back in that we had armed him against Iran. I also wish people would put context around the fact that we aided Saddam back then. Back then we felt that Iran was a much bigger threat and we acted accordingly. In that case we took the lesser of two evils. Since we were responsible (as you said) wasn't there a moral imperative at play that dictated that we go back?

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Sun 11/16/08 05:48 PM

The Bush administration and Iraq government officials agree to U.S. troop withdraw dates.

Funny that McCain/Palin wanted to stay till they won? Dems setting dates for troop withdraws? Why that was setting us up to lose and playing to the terrorist!

I can't wait for the republican rewrite of history in 2012 when they take credit for bringing the troops home for Iraq.


Iraq cabinet approves security pact with U.S.
Last Updated: Sunday, November 16, 2008 | 10:19 AM ET Comments13Recommend9
Reuters, special to CBC News

Iraq's cabinet approved a pact on Sunday that will let U.S. troops stay in the country until 2011, setting a final date to end a military presence that began with the 2003 invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

The pact, agreed upon after nearly a year of gruelling negotiations with Washington, must still be approved by the Iraqi parliament, but Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said he expected that to happen by the end of the month.

It puts a closing date on a war that has been one of the defining political issues in the United States, the Middle East and around the globe for much of the past decade.

"The total withdrawal will be completed by Dec. 31, 2011. This is not governed by circumstances on the ground. This date is specific and final," cabinet spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said of the pact, supported by 27 of 28 cabinet members.

Dabbagh said major factions in parliament had indicated their support. Deputy parliament speaker Khaled al-Attiya said a first reading would be held in the chamber on Monday.

The draft would place the U.S. force in Iraq — which now numbers about 150,000 — under the authority of the Iraqi government for the first time, replacing a mandate enacted by the UN Security Council after the U.S. invasion.

It calls for U.S. forces to leave the streets of Iraq's towns and villages by the middle of next year.

Dabbagh said U.S. forces would hand over their bases to Iraq during the course of 2009 and would lose the authority to raid Iraqi homes without an order from an Iraqi judge and permission of the government.

"We welcome the cabinet's approval of the agreement today. This is an important and positive step," a U.S. embassy spokeswoman said.


I love your response. It's not--GREAT, there is finally a date, which a lot of people have been asking for. It's not, I don't like this administration but this is the right thing. It's not, good, we won't be there forever. Instead it's a worry about how history is written by Republicans???

Who cares WHO gets it done--this is good news. Why does every little thing have to be about politics? Your reaction would have most likely been one of elation had President-elect Obama worked out the same deal--but even that's not the point.

This is a good thing--I don't care who does it. It's sort of, I don't know, odd, that you do.

-Drew

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Sun 11/16/08 09:17 AM


Again, Barack Obama ran a smart, disciplined and nearly flawless campaign. Though I did not support him in his run, it worked out well in that he most assuredly did not need my vote. The country has spoken and so he will be my President.

His election was remarkably historic but in itself that was just one of a few things that struck me. What I really thought interesting was the fact that we can still transfer power in this nation without a bloody coup d’état. This sort of fractures the idea that we were (prior to yesterday) being run by a massively powerful fascist regime. Even a cursory study of fascism makes it beyond clear that fascist states do not allow themselves to be rendered powerless by way of a free election. This is because freedom to choose is anathema to fascism--in every possible way.

All of that stated, Barack Obama raised more than 600 million dollars during his run for the Oval and that means that he has a number of favors to repay. I worry that when some of those favors are called in (as they always are) a number of people (both for and against President Obama) will be disappointed.

He'll be given a honeymoon period and he'll no doubt try to take advantage of that by trying to get through bills that are more risky. Time will tell how crafty and savvy he is once he is sworn in but it would appear that like most elected officials the massive reality and complex nature of Beltway politics is a tough ice to navigate around.

-Drew




Ahhh...but alot of that money came from the little people in the form of donations. His campaign sends out emails. People send in $5, $10 and more through the emails.


Winx, have you actually reviewed (I have) those people and businesses (yes, even those evil corporations) that donated to President-elect Obama? You might want to check it out.

-Drew

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Sun 11/16/08 07:37 AM
There is enough blame to go around but it is funny that we have a credit issue from the top of the Federal Govt. to the smallest of communities. I am not saying we should go back to these times but I have an uncle that is a pretty successful guy--not a rich guy, but he's done OK. He had a rule and with two kids and a wife, I don't know that he's ever broken it. He would only buy a vehicle and a home on credit. Nothing else--no TVs, no entertainment centers, no family vacations, no furniture. He figured that if he could not afford it, he needed to save it.

I wish I could say that I've always followed my uncle's vision, but alas, that would be a lie. But I've done better. Most make financial mistakes but lenders need to say NO if a person rates a bad credit risk. If a person rates a bad credit risk, umm, well, there is a reason.

But the second part of that, at least in my mind, is that people with poor credit need to stop acting as though they are entitled to credit. They aren't. Businesses have a right to deny credit if a person is a bad risk. They don't have a right to refuse credit on the basis of gender or race and should be prosecuted if they do so but come on, in the past few years, credit started to become free and we are now paying the price.

Debt--the real American way!

-Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 08:25 AM
There is nothing about this story (save for one thing which I'll get to in a moment) that I don't find disgusting.

A recruiting trip at a Kentucky fair? Yeah, that sounds about right.

I'm keeping this mellow because I don't want to force the mods to hit delete but honestly, there is nothing about these mentally inept racist A-holes that I don't despise.

That an all-white jury found them guilty DOES make me 1% happier (there was a time when such an outcome would hardly have been assumed) but it does not make up for the horrible beating that this young man received. I hope he's able to recover and put some of this behind him.

-Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 08:13 AM

I can agree on some of that Drew. But just because you smoke pot doesn't mean you're not doing something good with your life. I have met all kind of people who smoke weed, all from craft-workers to business men. It is proven that pot will limit your level of stress in a very high degree. And if your level of stress is subdued, so will your psychical health. The doctors tell you to drink a glass of red wine with your food because it will make it less likely for you to get a heart disease, right? But pot takes your stress level down on all momentum's. Of course, like all things, too much will damage you. Look at MacDonald's, they kill more people every year than marijuana makes people stoned. Marijuana is not lethal, it can, of course, be damaging if you're still very young, easily manipulated, or prone to addiction. Then you shouldn't smoke pot. Plus. I hate people who use marijuana with the term: Drug. Its not a drug, its simply a relaxation substance..


We agree on more than we disagree--on this subject. I was referring to a guy who does not want to do anything but sit around all day and smoke. I did not make the argument that everyone will be that way or that there are no creative people smoking pot. I know better. I would still like to see people use things in moderation (the doctor says a glass of red wine, not six glasses of red wine) but that is not my call. Pot is also toxic for the lungs, just like Camel Lights so please, no one make the argument that it causes no harm--because clearly, it does. But all of that is beside the point. Anything, taken in an vast amounts will cause harm. That goes for pot, food, booze---anything.

But it is not my call to tell people how to live or what to do as long as their freedoms don't get in the way of mine. As soon as they do, that is an issue. But again, I've never had a guy on pot look to rob me. I can't say the same for "instant tough-guy" booze, but watching someone drunk try to fight is really funny stuff.

Anyway, as was mentioned--we agree on this, for the most part.

-Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 07:31 AM

They named an airport after Reagan and after what he did to the air traffic controllers that was not appropriate.

If the people in the neighborhood and the students want to name the school after obama or Mister Magoo it's their business and no one elses.


Lynann,

What Reagan did to the controllers? They were Federal employees and were in violation of their contract.

" As federal employees the controllers were violating the no-strike clause of their employment contracts. In 1955 Congress had made such strikes a crime punishable by a fine or one year of incarceration -- a law upheld by the Supreme Court in 1971. Nevertheless, 22 unauthorized strikes had occurred in recent years -- by postal workers, Government Printing Office and Library of Congress employees, and by air traffic controllers who staged "sick-outs" in 1969 and 1970."

The public supported the Govt. on this and I have an uncle who refused to strike--still very proud of him for that. Reagan told them to get back to work, to obey the contract they signed and they didn't. Then he fired them.

I know this is off-topic but you sort of opened the door.

-Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 07:20 AM
The article states that by the time the train stopped eight cars had "passed over" his body, not run over his body. I'm not an expert on trains but I can pretty confidently assert that had he been across the tracks, he'd be dead.

-Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 07:04 AM


I tend to be somewhat conservative but I also try to be intellectually honest about things. This war on drugs has been the biggest failure and the biggest waste of money since the dawn of time. Putting anyone in prison for a non-violent related drug offense is just stupid--as there are violent criminals being let out early, you know, for good behavior. That's another issue that makes me want to freaking lose it, but I'll save my fury for "good behavior" for another time.

Back to the original question. YES, we should. I hear and read all the time about "Drunk man gets in fight, stabs girlfriend." Is it just me or do I never hear about "Man, high on pot, goes postal on girlfriend." I NEVER hear about that. And that is because it does not happen.

And you know, I don't even care about the addictive/non-addictive aspect of this argument. Even if it IS addictive--so is caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol--all legal. We need to stop thinking we can get people to stop doing what makes them feel good. Some people like pot. I'm not one of them but I've never been nearly hit by a stoned driver.

I don't mean to suggest that we should stock the shelves of Wal*Mart with bongs and weed tomorrow right along side Percocet and Vicodin but we should have some real discussions about this issue and stop with the idea that this stuff is the white elephant in the room.

We are talking about pot, not every drug on earth and it needs to start there. It is not my job to tell a person how to live and to be honest, if a person wants to smoke pot every hour of every day, I might think him a moron for not making a bit more out of his life, but it's still not my right to stop such behavior--that is on him. If he is leaving mine to me and not hurting anyone--smoke away.

--Drew


Heh, I got to agree with you on this one.

The anti-drug war is the greatest trick the liberal left ever pulled on the conservative right. It is the largest public works project ever conceived. It employs hundreds of thousands of government employees costing the taxpayers millions a year. Yet the smoke screen is firmly in place with this gross "redistribution" of our wealth in a "socialist" fashion. Why aren't more Republicans up in arms about this "Anti-Drug War?"


Well, you are correct about this. I also think it quite humorous to be sitting around on a Saturday night watching COPS and invariably there will be a segment wherein a few officers will bust a kid or an adult for a good size amount of pot. Now, I don't think all cops are bad, in fact, I think most are good but I think it utterly ridiculous to see four or five of them high-fiving each other over the pot bust--talking about how they just made the streets safer. This would be like me taking 100 grains of sand from four square miles of beach and saying, "Wow, I really made a difference in our beaches being "over-sanded." It is not making a dent, it is such a small victory and meanwhile, the guys that are out there beating the hell out of the 80 year old woman for her $150.00 in cash are NOT being focused on.

Something is very wrong with that picture and so again, we need to start discussing this at a national level. But, there is one other thing that the pro-pot folks need to do. STOP with the arguments about, "It's our right, dude--stop trying to stop us from our fun, bro." Intelligent, fact-based arguments need to be used, not appeals to the emotional side of this. if people want this to change then it needs to be addressed in a reasonable and responsible way. Because as long as everyone views pot as something done by people who wear funny colors and drive VW Buses around the nation chasing Garcia's ghost, it will never be made legal.

Just a thought.

Drew

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Sat 11/15/08 06:45 AM
I tend to be somewhat conservative but I also try to be intellectually honest about things. This war on drugs has been the biggest failure and the biggest waste of money since the dawn of time. Putting anyone in prison for a non-violent related drug offense is just stupid--as there are violent criminals being let out early, you know, for good behavior. That's another issue that makes me want to freaking lose it, but I'll save my fury for "good behavior" for another time.

Back to the original question. YES, we should. I hear and read all the time about "Drunk man gets in fight, stabs girlfriend." Is it just me or do I never hear about "Man, high on pot, goes postal on girlfriend." I NEVER hear about that. And that is because it does not happen.

And you know, I don't even care about the addictive/non-addictive aspect of this argument. Even if it IS addictive--so is caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol--all legal. We need to stop thinking we can get people to stop doing what makes them feel good. Some people like pot. I'm not one of them but I've never been nearly hit by a stoned driver.

I don't mean to suggest that we should stock the shelves of Wal*Mart with bongs and weed tomorrow right along side Percocet and Vicodin but we should have some real discussions about this issue and stop with the idea that this stuff is the white elephant in the room.

We are talking about pot, not every drug on earth and it needs to start there. It is not my job to tell a person how to live and to be honest, if a person wants to smoke pot every hour of every day, I might think him a moron for not making a bit more out of his life, but it's still not my right to stop such behavior--that is on him. If he is leaving mine to me and not hurting anyone--smoke away.

--Drew

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Thu 11/13/08 06:01 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081113/ap_on_re_us/obama_catholics


SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters

FOX News COLUMBIA, S.C. – A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"Father Newman is off base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

I personally think the Catholic church needs to "protect" the living children from there own priests first!


"When Jesus said suffer all the little children, come unto me, thats not what he was talkin about father!"---GC

"Some say life begins at conception, I say life began about a Billion years ago, and its a contenious process"---GC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Djohakx_FE&feature=related




Yeah, that guy, Rev. Wright, Ted Haggard, Rev. Jackson---seems like you give some guys the title of Pastor, Father, or Rev. and some amazingly insensitive things come forth, huh?

-Drew

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Thu 11/13/08 05:57 PM
Edited by Drew07_2 on Thu 11/13/08 05:57 PM

My reaction, again those with no uterus have no business!


No business unless the child is born--then it's very much a business--well, at least for 18 years. I don't have any children but to suggest it's no man's business: "unless" is a bit out there.

-Drew

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Thu 11/13/08 05:52 PM
Ted Haggard has never had enough influence in my life to warrant my viewing him as anything more than a man who, through arrogance---fell. A lot of men have fallen--though I generally reserve wishing they'll go to hell for offenses of a far great nature than being pious and then being human.

-Drew

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Thu 11/13/08 05:36 PM
Oprah is probably able to do better work not working for the government. She has the clout and the bucks to continue a lot of the work she's started. Put her in a Govt. gig and she'll be dealing with fifty types of red tape and BS rules before the end of her first day.

-Drew

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Thu 11/13/08 06:22 AM
Hell, I'm simply encouraged that there are people who know that we are in fact a republic and not a democracy. I mean NO disrespect by that comment, I am truly heartened that such is the case because it seems today that many think we are a democracy. It would be closer to say we are a representative democracy but our set-up, so to speak, is a Republic.

I am not going to delve into a communist/socialist type bashing session or rant. I don't think it is productive and I have coffee on and it's almost done. But I will say that if you look around at a lot of failed governments (realizing that historically speaking we are still very young) you'll see why a lot of the aforementioned governments have failed.

I don't believe communism and socialism truly work because I don't believe they are conducive with man's nature to both be "free" and to make choices based on free-will. The USSR collapsed for a reason and while some like to suggest that it was Ronald Reagan's fault (military build-up) that is only part of the reason. They also failed because in their hearts they did not believe in the system. People are not motivated to work when their pay may or may not come. They failed in part because communism goes against something in a man's heart. I know some will disagree but think about how many people have fled such nations, how many believed there was something better and how many risked everything to get to a better place. They knew.

I am grateful that I have no king and no queen to honor and I am grateful that we have a peaceful system of power change. I don't think that our republic is without its flaws and issues and I'll never claim that it is not something that can be improved upon. But I do think that if you look around--I mean really look around, you'll see that many, many more people want to come here than leave here. That is not meant to be glib--that is in fact a very good indicator of the opportunities that a lot of people feel this nation offers.

Great post topic.

Drew

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Mon 11/10/08 08:15 PM

My ONLY problem with the original quote...

It says what he might do.

It does not say what he did.

Now that my country has spoken.

Let him show us...

He has earned that right by his own labor... and that of many others.


I agree--this almost feels like condemnation before the action--He's not in office yet---your points above are good ones.

-Drew

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