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Now that's a fire. And yet it did not collapse. 
was it hit by a plane weighing more than 300,000 pounds traveling at 400 mph? damn that Newton.. No, and neither WAS BUILDING NUMBER 7. Which didn't have nearly as big a fire. But you see what it did. It collapsed. And are the two buildings architecturally the same? Building 7 did not have standard skyscraper architecture and it also was damage from collapses of other buildings. You argument is basically me comparing 2 people getting shot. "The first guy got shot and lived, the second guy died but since the first guy lived the second couldn't have been killed by a bullet. It must have been aliens or his internal organs did an inside job" |
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Look long and hard at this page. Look long and hard at the sheer number of quotes on this page. Seriously....scroll back and look. I am embarrassed being from the same species. PLEASE QUOTE THIS! Apparently you are worth nothing more than invisible internet bitching and not actually trying to effect real world change. Umm its called debating.... In a forum with lots of people talking posts are not always clear on what other posts they are referring to hence the quote option. Yes it is an internet forum not a city council meeting. This is a place to discuss and debate. If you don't like it there is no need to be here. |
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If Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer, not a political leader, then why should I care what he says about the USA? Well if you think only political leaders can see what is happening to a country then no reason. But then if you think that why are you in a political thread? Because you are not a political leader and by that reasoning have no knowledge of politics. |
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Im concerned about the financial debt, but not sure that will sink us as fast as the moral debt,,,, You are correct. People lacking enough morals to take responsibilitiy for their lives and who think others should provide for them will sink the country. That attitude is best left for children who are not capable of living on their own. |
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Rush lives in a unique , egocentric, hypocritical world,,,,, Yet that doesn't mean he is wrong on this one. America is in trouble if it stays on this track. If the dollar loses its spot as the trade currency we will be in trouble. alot of ifs,,,how long has he said america is dying? did he just happen to start feeling that way in the past four years? or did he start this warning before then...... 
I have no idea as I don't listen to him. Either way none of that changes the fact that we are in trouble and our government isn't helping. Notice I said government not president. He is part of it but not the whole thing by any means. |
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Rush lives in a unique , egocentric, hypocritical world,,,,, Yet that doesn't mean he is wrong on this one. America is in trouble if it stays on this track. If the dollar loses its spot as the trade currency we will be in trouble. |
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My point is, the government does not decide what is a "religion" and what is not. The flying spaghetti monster is probably a legitimate non-profit organization and religion and the government doesn't care as long as they file properly and do a certain amount of charity work. I never said it does. I asked u if something was a recognized religion and you tried to say there was no such thing as a government recognized religion. but there is. So what? The government does not have to recognize something as a religion for it to be a religion. So why would anyone care what the government recognizes? They care whether or not they have tax exempt status. Also asking questions doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. XP |
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tally up the expenses of presidential vacations over the past twenty years, include those one day trips too, and the expenses compared to the value of money TODAY,, and there will be little difference,,,
they still have famillies and should be allowed the human dignity to not hold them prisoners in a white house or in DC because of their job title I agree. I am not against them taking it, I am against them taking it with tax payer money. If they fund it themselves have at it. well, since they cant travel safely without taxpayer security and transportation, I guess thats not gonna happen but if they would take it with or without the taxpayers money, I say they should have at it,,, Well idk if things changed but last time I checked you didnt pay taxes, so if I wasn't paying for it I wouldnt care either, but as for me I don't want my tax dollars paying for vacations when we are over spending by over 1 trillion a year. |
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Are any of these people you know taking expensive vacations on the companies dollar, and are they taking vacations while the company is going under? you still seem to think obama is paying for something, when in fact, he's just being the entitlist that he thinks his family is...4 million dollars is the cost of his Hawaii excursion, and the queen is skiing right now in colorado, with the little princesses... so far this year, 4 vacations already... the leaders of anything are not effective leaders when they do not set an example for the people beneath them. the only example he has set is how to lie convincingly... I guess you didn't know that the President has to pay for his own airfare, and that of any family/friends travelling with him when he's going on vacation. Sure, he doesn't pay for the Secret Service, who follow him around (and travel in advance to secure the destination) but there's nothing he can do about that. BTW: Those costs for Obama's vacations also include statutory costs, that are spent even when Air Force One just sits parked at Edwards AFB. Those security agents don't go home on furlough if he stays home, either. They're all salaried employees with benefits. So, Obama's vacations don't come anywhere near the $4 million each. Besides, the executive travel is part of the compensation package for the President of the United States. If you don't like it, you'll have to get Congress to pass new laws saying that Presidents are no longer allowed to do any unofficial travel. Good luck with that. i like the way you libs think "there's nothing he can do about that"... only the highest position in the world, but his hands are tied...  same ole rhetoric, Barry is god, he can do no wrong... no wonder why i hate libs
And it's funny how the Cons are, today, where it's all-of-a-sudden a crime to take a vacation while still in office. Nevermind that his "vacation" is in name, only, as he has to take a lot of his work with him. Where the hell was all your rage when Bush flew home to Texas or off to his dad's place in Kennebunkport, every week or two? By the end of his first term, he had spent about a year of it in those vacation places. And the reason I say there's "nothing he can do" is because the security operations are not his job. Sure, he could just fire his entire security detail and give all the gun-toting Teabaggers a free shot, but there's nothing good that can come from that. So, spare me your lib-hating rationale. You've checked out of reason a few pages ago. Where was I during bush's first term? lets see that was like 12 years ago? I was in 11th grade and I didnt care about politics. Oh wait you are not talking to me because I am in fact a libertarian... move along. |
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The lizard people one is so low because they killed everyone who knew the truth....
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My point is, the government does not decide what is a "religion" and what is not. The flying spaghetti monster is probably a legitimate non-profit organization and religion and the government doesn't care as long as they file properly and do a certain amount of charity work. I never said it does. I asked u if something was a recognized religion and you tried to say there was no such thing as a government recognized religion. but there is. |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them. 
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All you have to do to be a religion or start one is create a non-profit organization based on a belief, get ordained by any legitimate church, and to have your own church, have meetings, and do some charity work. No, they don't have a list that you can't get on pretty easy. Paul Twitchell, founded Eckankar after writing some books, gaining a following and filing for a non-profit status. He ordained himself and claimed to be the representative of God for the entire universe. He was on the list...as a legitimate religion. All "religions" begin as "cults" including Christianity. US has recognized religions according to the government. i never said how difficult or easy it was. You said the didnt have it, thus u r wrong |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
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Yes I agree |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? |
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The SCOTUS has already ruled that the First Amendment applies to states as well as to Congress. The Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has already ruled that prayers favoring one religion over another are not constitutionally acceptable when they take place during an official government function. It is the sectarian nature of prayers that is in dispute, not the act of praying. So you are admitting you were wrong when you said the "First Amendment States". Thank you. |
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this may be a dumb question, but what does the constitution have to do with religion? isn't there a "religious freedom" clause in there? The First Amendment gives people the freedom to not be forced to witness a sectarian religious exercise being performed by government employees during an official government function. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. That is the text. It says no such thing about what you just said. In fact if they made a law stating government employees couldnt perform religious activities during a government function that would be unconstitutional. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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Thu 04/04/13 05:01 PM
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Right. Impeach the President because he wants to help American citizens vote. His harshest critics (a.k.a. Republicans) have long been on record for insisting that the right to vote be reserved only for the "job creators" and anybody else who will definitely vote Republican, and President Obama has the gall to eschew the demands of nearly 25% of the population. It makes one wonder how anybody can complain about spending hours in a line to cast a ballot. In some places, on the day of the General Election, the weather wasn't so bad, so the voters need only bring along a lawn chair and reading material (and food & water) in order to make a pleasant day of it. How dare any Democrat try to take experience that away?! Ha rumph! Seriously, are you Cons f**king stupid?! How is anything in the Presidential Commission on Election Administration corrupt? But since your Senator from Cali,what was her name again,oh yeah,Gladrock,is doing it every day,you Guys might have gotten used to it! BTW,are you working for a Company selling Carborundum? The presidential commission is not unconstitutional. But, if you can find where in the Constitution it says the President cannot form commissions for such things, I'd like to see it. Also, which senator are you referring to? California has Sens Boxer and Feinstein. I'm sorry for asking if you Cons were stupid before. I know that was a redundant question. How about this, where in the constitution does it say a president has to power to make an executive order. Guess what, its not there. I guess some people don't realize that documents typically explain what things/people "can do" and not every conceivable thing they can't do. "Well the law didn't say I couldn't throw a rabid raccoon at my neighbor while riding a unicycle and playing a harmonica so it must be ok" |
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