Interesting thread.

First off, I'll look at the models, no doubt. Life is not a faerytale where justice prevails and good triumphs, get over it.

Secondly, I like your style bl, you actually seems determined, doesn't stick your nose out too much, but grabs the important. Here's my interpretation and addons (and probably I'll be crucified for it):

Humor is important (can not be overstated enough), but the nature of humor of a man must change from dating to long term.
In the beginning a great way to hit up beautiful woman is to make fun of her - she is not used to this, and you will seem interesting. But it has to be the right kind of fun (not, you stink and look like a sag of potatoes), and remember to spice it up with subtle (or overt but never perfect) compliments, sweet looks and maybe a caress if the timing is right.
In a relationship you do not want to make fun of her - if you are serious about her, you better take her very serious, even if what she is saying sounds to you like two angry bananas doing a tango out of tune.

Timing in dating is everything (and also in a relationship). If she just had a drink, don't offer to buy her one etc. If she has something on her mind, don't grab her boobs (though it can be mighty tempting). This begs patience and powers of observation.

Attitude - to me there is no greater attitude than being yourself, bold and brass - but with restraints, like said, nobody likes a crybaby or needybody, suck it up and smile. Sometimes the only way to make it real is by start out pretending.

You ask somewhere for the opportunity to show your confidence. Take initiative brother, don't wait unless you've got forever. And in this, learn to laugh at yourself, because you are not going to succeed without meeting failure on your way. Better laugh than cry, better learn than grow bitter: there is always something you can do different and better; life is beautiful like that, but it doesn't always work out anyway...

Confidence, to me that is the tricky one, because confidence entails being relaxed, something that only comes with practice. Meaning, confidence depends on positive experiences. You just got to go at it, humble but never deterred.

And if that wasn't enough... A woman wants a strong man. We can debate from here to hell freezes over whether that means stronger than her, but a woman cannot respect a weak man. This doesn't mean not listening to her - indeed it means the opposite. It also doesn't mean that you cannot show your pain, rather the ability to show vulnerability is a sign of strength (just remember, no prolonged self-pity scenes, keep those to a minimum). It doesn't mean never to make mistakes (an impossibility), and certainly not never to own up to them. Being a strong man means knowing what you want, being you, and not letting any new or old chatterbox move you around - being sweet to a gal is good, but if you bend yourself over backwards you've already lost her. She'll wonder that if she can boss you around, how are you ever going to stick it out against someone else. It's a big world out there, a woman needs to know her man can take of her, and if he can't even keep his own s*** together...

Finally, few things turn a woman off more than bad hygiene. Be warned. Few things turn a woman on more than hearing the right words. And no, not necessarily "I love you", they can be dirty as hell (again, timing)
You might be one fat f*** but that doesn't mean you can't present yourself smartly, and unless you're dumb to boot, there is nothing stopping you from developing your speech skills.

By the way did you know some researcher with too much time on his hands determined that the most sexy attribute of a man is... his voice. I'm sure it can be debated, but just to keep in mind, you got a couple of horses to bet on, why continue to whine about the one that's limp?

Sorry about that, probably no one will read it anyway, but just thought I'd throw in my 2cents.

((B))



PS. Lpdon. If you have given up, that's it, it's finished, over, goodbye and sleep well. Why? Because you've given up. Get back in there brother, but know that it is you who is going to have to change....

Wow just wow...In the first place sour grapes is sooooo unattractive! In the second place, are you prepared to be with a "fat women" as you describe yourself? And thirdly, why dont you work on getting in shape, changing your life, rather than ask someone to take on all the health problems that go with being overweight? Goodness! we all have things we need to work on for ourselves...what are you working on?