Classic peter. Equivocating the meanings of words to suit his narrative.

I made no mistake except expecting you to work with me vs against me regardless of the scope of the topic.

This thread was over in the first few pages, but because of spiteful interactions we have 40+pages.

You can know a lie when you know the context of another persons knowledge, and catch them misrepresenting their own knowledge.

I set up a logical presentation, initially without enough clarity assuming others would play nice, and it works just fine.

Nothing more needed to be done, but creative thinks he can reason with peter, IMHO the biggest mistake creative has ever made.

Elihu, I first want to say
"Thank you for being a part of this fellowship of believers".
And yes, this is a "fellowship"!

We are from all walks of life. Yet, we were all led to the Cross of Christ and that is our common ground; our only glory!
Most of us have made the conscious decision to frequent this forum for the purpose of ministering to one another and/or to be ministered to. Above all we are determined to grow in Christ; His "love", His "work".
We by trial and some errors have made the choice to accept our differences using God's Word for assurance of right thinking.

We are all "Christian Singles"

By Christ, I am in great appreciation for one who isn't shy about delving into Biblical conversation. With this exception... I refuse to engage in strong debate going as far as accusing one another. My advice to all is to state your biblically-based truth and let that be your honest opinion until you are by God's Truth, shown a more excellent way of understanding. There are so many facets of God's Word. There are so many facts to be considered. There will be times, in this "fellowship" when we will fall flat on our faces. Which is a great position for prayer and repentance. There are times when we all have to figuratively "eat our words". We will start to study God's word more carefully. Afterwards, we learn to use tact and careful consideration.

I have not known you long at all, but I think I like you.

I hope that you will remain in "fellowship with us".
I know from reading your posts that you, as Christ will have us all to be, are concerned with being on the true course.

I'm determined not to contradict Christ's words.
I am very much aware of the events that precede Christ's return. There are many event and scenarios to expect. Some have past taken place and some are unveiling as we speak. Consider this... that the church who will be raptured, that is, "changed" in that "twinkling of an eye" and "caught up", may not be required to experience the "great tribulation" or go through the worst part of the "great tribulation". There is "tribulation" as we speak. Birth pangs!

The "falling away" has happened. And is still in progress. Men who once confessed Christ as Lord have fallen back into perdition. Denying Him instead. Speaking blasphemy in replace of the Lord's praises. False prophets, false christs, are mounting up against the true saints. They say " Jesus didn't die to save you". They aspire to be gurus of the weak and disillusioned among us. Like lambs to the slaughter the weak and faithless follow after them. These weak and clueless ones patronize the false teachers, declaring their message as though it were gospel, never having given God's Word the slightest meditation.

I will also remind you that Israel is considered in the return of Christ. There are certain events that are separate pertaining to the "church" and "Israel". We are presently in the Church age. Some believe that the "church" will be taken out of the way as events escalate. "Israel's redemption draweth near"

There are Biblical scholars who are quite certain that Matthew 13 refers to Israel. While there are many scriputres which refer to us the present day "church" as being raptured.

I will shorten this reply by giving some scripture.

.The Rapture will happen before the Tribulation.
• 1 Thessalonians 5:9
• Revelation 3:10

The Second Coming will happen at the end of the Tribulation.
• Revelation 6-19


1 Thessalonians 5:
Day of the Lord

1, But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2, For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3, For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4, But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5, Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6, Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7, For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8, But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9, For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11, Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
12, And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13, And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
14, Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15, See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16, Rejoice evermore.
17, Pray without ceasing.
18, In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19, Quench not the Spirit.
20, Despise not prophesyings.
21, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22, Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
25, Brethren, pray for us.
26, Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
27, I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
28, The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed."
1Corintians 15:52

Love you in Christ, God Bless!

Fix'd

Like I said, the Italians have their black hand, the Mafia, and the Jews have their hidden hand, the (Rothschild) Zionists/Jews.

Criminals are criminals.

Yes I WILL CONTINUE TO BASH and expose these CRIMINALS.

I don't know who Uncle Ben is. (and I don't care)

But Pat Robertson is a racist and practices hate speech against Arabs who are Semitic, there fore he is anti-Semitic.

Whilst I appreciate and even enjoy exchanging ideas and learning from others on forums such as this, I find that as far as fellowship goes Cyberspace Relationship falls way short of the mark.

Many years ago I was provoked to do a study on the word fellowship as found in our Bibles. It is a translation of the Greek word 'koinonia'.

When I went to my Greek Dictionary, I found that this same word had been translated into a number of different English words. My curiosity was aroused.

Koinonia itself comes from the root word 'koinos', which translates into the English word 'common' and is used in Acts 2:44 speaking of the disciples holding all things in common.

In the King James Bible koinonia is variously translated: distributing Rom 12:13, communion 1 Cor 10:16, contribution Rom 15:26, distribution 2 Cor 9:13. After looking up the context of these words in the scriptures I began to think how on earth do we call the conversations that we often have after church 'fellowship'.

I decided to get out my trusty old English dictionary. It is well over a hundred years old and as such is a little closer to the meaning of words used originally in our Bibles. Language and meanings of words are in constant transition. Some change not at all and others change radically.

Fellowship is a composite word, the ship suffix means the state of being. Partnership is the state of being a partner, comradeship is the state of being a comrade, and fellowship is the state of being a fellow. But what is a fellow. In New Zealand we might think it means a bloke, and if that colloquial expression leaves you in the dark a bloke is a man.

The word 'fellow' is originally an Icelandic word. It is a composite word, the first part meaning 'fee' as in money that is paid. The second part is 'low' as in laying down something. The word fellow was used in England at the early Christian Universities. A man was a fellow of Oxford University or a fellow at Cambridge University because he had entered into fellowship by laying down his money and holding all things in common.

The word 'koinos' is also where we get our English word coin from. Fellowship has a lot more to do with money and with the sharing of what we have freely with our brothers and sisters in Christ than it does with the conversations we have with one another.

This does not mean I can go and help myself to my brothers goods. That would be stealing. But it means that my heart is ready to share, ready to give.

This kind of fellowship cannot be had in cyberspace.

1 John 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

There is more I could say, but enough for now.

Peace to you all in Jesus Mighty Name

...But it means that my heart is ready to share, ready to give.

This kind of fellowship cannot be had in cyberspace.

I am not quite sure how I have offended you by simply asking if you were a christian? I delight in being a christian and I certainly have no reason to hide this fact.

The reason I asked that question is because this is the christian singles forum. Why would you presume I would want to tell you anything?

May I ask you Peterpan whether you are a born again christian?

Opinions are allowed. I don't argue.

If you believe the Bible, your God ordered Joshua to send his troops into that "promised land" and kill all the men, women and children without mercy and steal their land.

Do you even comprehend or get the significance of that?

If you are saying that the story of Joshua was written by the "lying pen of the scribes," I totally agree with you.

I don't believe that God ordered any murders.

Like I said, I don't believe the story anyway. It never actually happened.