exactly how do you murder someone without killing them .....not sure even God can pull that one off.....but it does pose an interesting question ....maybe it only applies to cats ...you can murder a cat and it will have 8 more lives, but that only works on TV

also since it was Jesus mission to die... was Jesus murdered or was he killed ....or did he use the incident to help him commit suicide and martydom

if Adam and Eve did not know about good and evil and killed someone would it be murder or would it become murder only after they took from the fruit....either way you look at it they killed

this also prose another interesting question...if Adam and Eve were in the garden unknowingly committing evil because they lack the knowledge of good and evil wouldn't that mean they were already sinners and condemn to go to Hell before they took from the fruit

This very idea that you need to tell people how to find God is a ludicous idea to begin with. It implies that God is lame and needs your help.

By your very actions, you're displaying a total lack of faith in God.

If you truly TRUSTED God then you would know that no deserving soul could possibly slip through her fingers, and she most certainly doesn't need YOUR help to save anyone.

This idea that Christians need to help God save souls is nothing more than a blatant display of just how inept they truly believe God to be.

I do think with soundness of mind, and I also look things up in the Bible all the time. What I find is that Christians have totally misrepresented what the story is all about.

It is my sound conclusion that Jesus actually denounced the ways of the Torah, and he didn't even claim to be the "only begotten son of Yahweh". Other people claimed that about him!

The Christian interpretation of this ancient mythology makes no sense. Jesus could not have been "The Christ". He must have been a mere mortal man like the rest of us. He was trying to educate people on true spirituality and get them away from the harmful mythologies that they were currently following.

He was crucified for his efforts. That is truly sad. However, now the Christians are trying to get everyone to believe that this was all a plan of that nasty Yahweh.

That's absurd.




The entire biblical story does not support that conclusion, IMHO.

In fact, by Christ you will be judged, be he judges you not. Many miss this.....he judged none but by his life are we judged. If he was able to keep all, it proves it is possible and we are judged by his life.....but he judged us not. If the mark was not able to be reached...none would be judged in any manner because of impossiblity to perform.

Well that's nice, because Jesus himself supposedly said that he will not Judge those who do not believe in him.

John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

So unless you want to call John a liar, Jesus will not be judging me for not believing in him by his own proclamation.

So if you're going to stick with the Fairytale, then the Fairytale has Jesus himself saying that it is not important to him that anyone believe him.

So all this crap that Christians spew about how important it is to acknowledge that Jesus is God and accepting him as your savior is utterly baloney and doesn't even agree with what's actually written in the fairytale.

That makes no sense at all. There's a huge difference between adversity and having your creator betray your trust.

There is no reason for God to test anyone's faith. Supposedly this God already knows what's in the hearts of men. So the very idea that he would need to test a man is ludicuous.


Many people say that Job is about God proving something to Satan. But again, a God that has something to prove to a fallen angel is also a pathetic God.

There is no excuse for the behavior of the God described by the book of Job. Moreover, at the end, the very reason that the author of the story has God telling Job about having created dragons is that the author is trying to convince the reader that God is all-wise and all-intelligent. So much so that he can create things that men can't even deal with. But as a reader, that just backfired with me. I wise God wouldn't be creating fire-breathing dragons in the first place. There's nothing wise about that.

These stories are like the three little pigs. They make nice fairytales for little childern, but as a description of a genuine all-wise fatherly God they fall flat on their face. There's just nothing wise about these stories at all.

This also suggests that Job's family was slaughtered just to make a point to Job. What about the souls of those people, don't they count?

It's just an utterly stupid story IMHO, and doesn't even portray a picture of an all-wise God at all. On the contrary, it portrays a really stupid God. It didn't impress me in the least. I personally think it's one of the stupidest stories in the Bible, although there are so many stupid stories that it's hard to pick the stupidest.

You're worse than the nominal Christian..you spew your judgments,
self righteousness, and garbage in public.
This heathen is out!

I got news for ya Cyclops...your no BETTER than anyone now!

It's comments like that that makes us "heathens and pagans" really glad were NOT Christians because we don't wanna be like YOU!!

Yeh, killing is cold blooded and done without feeling, like in genocide and war. The victims are not considered 'human' they are simply the enemy. Killing is collateral damage, or "by accident."

I personally would rather be murdered for a reason, than the victim of a cold blooded killing machine like a robotic terminator.

One is not more forgivable than the other in my opinion.