the more technology advances the more Man becomes God ...is this why God was anti-knowledge and forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree ...

did God create Man out of the need for vanity to have Man forever worship him as an all powerful being and this lead Satan to teach Adam and Eve that the power of God was only the sum of his knowledge ...

what Satan did then is why parents today insist that their children go to school ...not to learn good or evil but to get knowledge

Adam and Eve didn't go to school ...God gave them faith ...Satan gave them knowledge ....and that's why children and Adults now go to school or strive for higher education ...

so can it be said that all knowledge that exist outside the context of the bible can be attribute to Satan because Satan gave Man the desire to seek knowledge

before the fall from Eden all the knowledge the religious required was how to tilled the soil and give animals names..

after the fall from The Garden of Eden all the knowledge a religious person needed was placed in the bible

this is why when a religious person have the desire to gain knowledge beyond the bible it is due to Satan

Satan gave Man the desire to learn...to accumulate knowledge ..so can it be said that Satan do exactly what God created him to do....to be an Angel

As you don't believe in either, this is a poor baiting tactic...

fail!!!

Actually, the myth of Adam and Eve do not say that they ate from the Tree of (simply) Knowledge, but the Tree of the Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.

If that is read literally, they ate the fruit and became aware of sin, not mathematics, not philosophy, not grammar, not knowledge in general. To seek knowledge is not a sin. Going to school didn't come about because the pair ate from the tree.

Keep in mind, in bare substance living, book learning usually takes a backseat, but that doesn't mean that people are not learning. Learning takes many forms, and finding out that this wild wheat grows better than that wild wheat which leads to the practice of agriculture IS learning.

Also, the "Bible" did NOT exist in the mythical days of Adam and Eve or for centuries afterward, so it wasn't the basis of the knowledge that humans should have. A codex supposedly was not handed down until Moses got the Ten Commandments. Even within that scenario, the Hebrews weren't denied the acquisition of knowledge.

The denial of knowledge came about when religion became codified and used as a tool to control people. I am not too familiar with how the Jewish religion was used as a tool in BCE, but I think it had gotten there with the Herods (anyone who knows, feel free to enlighten me). While certainly religious rules were used to control people--read Deuteronomy--when the Jews supposedly came out of Egypt, their faith was not widespread and affected only the Jews.

However, with the advancement of Christianity, people were not encouraged to interpret the canonized Bible for themselves. Indeed, most were not able to read. Ignorant people are very often pliable people, especially when the learned people are the mouthpieces of a god.

Speaking from a mythic view, Satan didn't instill in humans the desire to learn; it was already there. Satan couldn't have capitalized on Eve unless she already had curiosity, and curiosity is the stepping stone to learning and knowledge.

Impressive

explain why someone has to believe in an issue in order to debate the issue..

"to believe is to doubt"......funches 3:16

isn't knowledge simply information and information is neither good nor evil ..it's the actions that may come from applying one's "Will" to that knowledge which may determine what good or evil may be

in the garden of eden God gave Adam and Eve all the knowledge that he deem they should know and this is why all knowledge beyond that would be considered to be evil because it was not granted by God but by Satan

It's not the knowledge itself that was evil in exacts. The knowledge they got from the fruit was the knowledge of sin in general.

For instance lets put it into a more current form of way of saying it.

God tells them not to eat of the tree of life. Satan temps them with the fruit. They eat of the fruit and gain knowledge of lustful/sinful things. As in they got knowledge of lieing, they then now know they can lie to manipulate the other to gain something for themselves. And so on, many different examples like this.

I guess its like being gay ... you're allowed to talk about it only if you are one of them. So they can freely attempt to convert the rest of the population, but if non-believers attempt to reason with believers its "oppression".

I, for one, enjoy religious debate, even though I'm an atheist and I must say this topic has piqued my interest.

If the Tree of Knowledge was only about awareness of good and evil, then perhaps it was seen as a sort of stepping stone into further awareness, which is why God forbade its fruits. In this, they were questioning God and a question is proposed in order to obtain information. After the eating of the fruit, the want for further knowledge would not be quenched easily.

On the other hand, should the Tree of Knowledge only contain the awareness of the dichotomy, why was its fruit forbidden? Would not God want his creations to understand the difference? Especially if doing what he has strictly forbidden would be considered a kind of evil?

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If you take Genesis 1 seriously, Yahweh was not so much anti-knowledge as anti-knowledge of good and evil.

Cowboy wouldn't the examples that you gave including Adam and Eve's disobedience to God apply as being "Free Will" ....because Adam and Eve disobeyed God and therefore committed sin before they ate from the fruit so how can the knowledge of sin apply or make a difference..and as you pointed out they even lack the knowledge to know what sin was

and since there was obvious a lack of knowledge in the garden did Adam and Eve lack the knowledge to understand what they were doing,...was their I. Q. as such that all they could comprehend was tilling the soil and give animals names

also what is good and evil knowledge wouldn't evil knowledge apply to science ..an example of this would be evolution

technically anything that is not God is evil/sin

Funches wrote: "isn't knowledge simply information and information is neither good nor evil ..it's the actions that may come from applying one's "Will" to that knowledge which may determine what good or evil may be

in the garden of eden God gave Adam and Eve all the knowledge that he deem they should know and this is why all knowledge beyond that would be considered to be evil because it was not granted by God but by Satan"

You are committing a logical fallacy. You are taking a myth--a story that illustrates a point or explains the "why" of something--and explaining it using other types of reasoning. Interpreting the myth by extraneous information requires other examples of such myths. Pandora is such a myth, but it has different ramifications.

Knowledge is inherently neither "good" nor "evil," which are subjective according to cultures.

Again, the myth of Adam and Eve isn't about the acquisition of general knowledge; in fact, the myth of Adam and Eve isn't really about the "knowledge" aspect and the gaining of the knowledge isn't really why they were punished.

They were punished for being disobedient and they were told the consequences for being disobedient.

Eve ate the fruit because the serpent told her she would become like god, so she is also guilty of hubris.

There are implications, of course, about blind obedience, but that is not the topic at hand and I won't throw in a red herring.

Speaking strictly of the Hebrew Scriptures and not later interpretations of them, on what do you base that ALL knowledge is sin? In order to validate your claim, you would have to give specifics from those scriptures, and they would have to be more than the tale of Eve and Adam.

"God tells them not to eat of the tree of life. Satan temps them with the fruit. They eat of the fruit and gain knowledge of lustful/sinful things. As in they got knowledge of lieing, they then now know they can lie to manipulate the other to gain something for themselves. And so on, many different examples like this."

Again, the point of the story is not lust: it is disobedience and hubris.

Sigh.

Stick to the details of the myth if you are going to debate it. WHERE does it say that the pair lacked general knowledge? They lacked knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL.

And if you knew your Hebrew Scriptures better, you would know that they weren't tilling the soil in the garden. Adam's punishment after the "Fall" was tilling the soil.

Define what is "not" god.

anything you or i dont see eye to eye on with other christians

You made an assumption: you say with "other" Christians, assuming that I am a Christian.

I am not.

And even if I were, that is not a definition of "god."

Gwendolyn ..I'm simply debating as if what's in the bible is true ...you call the story of Adam and Eve a myth and then want me to take Hebrew Scripture which is myth to validate myth ....without the story of Adam and Eve the entire bible and all the hebrew scriptures collapse

if the bible is to be debated then it has to be debated as if everything written in it is the true word of God that means no myths and no metaphors ...if not.. then what is the point of debating it when all we have to say is that it's all a myth