Forbes,

Thanks for the well thought out reply. I can see a lot of your points
and of course it all depends on the situation. There is a fine line
between doing something courageous and doing something stupid. Most of
the time I would say the right thing to do is keep ones head down, I
think the exception is when you have suicide killers or people who have
already harmed someone.

Obviously I wasn't insinuating someone should of ran straight at the
kid, there are plenty of ways to better resolve the situation. Like
standing on the side of the door and hitting him with a chair once he
entered or any other number of smart ways.

I can't blame anyone for being scared, and it pains me to think about
what the families are going through. It's that pain for the families
that makes me mad no one stopped him sooner. Then again, you can't
expect everyone to have a soldier's mindset.

Hope you have a great weekend.

Oh I think Georgie should be prez again!!!!!!!


*runs before I get flogged*

You relate this to a bank robbery....

That's comparing apples to oranges. In a bank robbery, the aggressors
are there for the banks money...not a body count. As much you find my
posting saddening, I find yours the same.

There is a person who sole person is to kill as many people as possible
and it's ok to sit idle and let that happen? Your telling me if someone
broke into your house and started shooting your friends you wouldn't do
a thing? These were classmates...friends.

For those that keep saying how hard it must be to charge someone
spraying bullets, it just shows you really don't understand the
situation. First off....the aggressor was some 5' 5" skinny kid, not
exactly hard to tackle. About bullets flying everywhere? The guy had 2
semi-automatic handguns...not Rambo style machine guns. He bought his
first gun 2 months prior to all this which tells me he isn't exactly a
super solider and his re-loads are going to take time. I'm not sure how
many rounds were fired in total but it's a fact he had to re-load at
least once...I'm guessing it was more like 3-4 times.

You guys have this Hollywood image in your head that bullets were flying
in some 360 circle around the dude and that he was some commando. IT
couldn't be further from the truth.

I won't go as far as the OP and call them cowards. I sympathize with
everyone on that campus that day....it doesn't mean I agree with their
actions however.

Why the hell can't the opposing view here post thier thoughts instead of
pasting in crap from other sites?

And they call us mindless followers....

Some of you act like this point of view is a knock against those that
died and there families....it not. Of course, all of our hearts and
prayers go out to them. My point is it could of been less families
needing prayer.

Of course that professor that jumped in front of a student was bravery
but why did it have to come to that? Why didn't a group rush this kid
and take him down?

This isn't armchair quarterbacking, I'd like to think of it as an after
action review. And as I said in my previous post, if I hadn't been faced
with such fear myself, I wouldn't feel qualified to comment on the
subject.

I had this conversation earlier with someone...

It blows my mind that out of hundreds of students that day, that a group
of them didn't tackle this kid to the ground.

I don't agree we are a nation of cowards and frankly that's where I
stopped reading your post but in a very loose sense, I agree with you.

I heard this jock talking today about how he just was on his knees
trying to hide, I don't get it. There were masses of people that could
of ran up on this guy from behind but everyone chose to cower instead
and the result was 30+ dead.

If I hadn't been faced with death in my own life and rose to he occasion
I don't feel I'd have any ground to stand on this and would feel out of
place saying these things but I have and I have seen many brave men do
what was needed in the face of fear. I find it inexcusable that no one
that day had enough courage to take this kid down.

Dayummmmm....thanks!

Whoaa, looks like I'm late getting to the party. Someone pass some rum,
I need to catch up.

Hey everyone.

Psssst...

I really did butcher that quote eh?

I don't think more guns is the answer either. Although I wouldn't be
opposed to teachers packing, lol.

Pass me a bottle.

She says "very important".

And I have to agree ^^. Exchanging pics lets you know someone is who
they say they are and help you connect better I think.

I got a e-mail the other day who's subject read....

"As usual no one but the bad guy had a gun".

I thought it was an interesting perspective. Everyone knows the best
offense is a good defense. Imagine if just a couple of the good willed
students had guns on them that day. How many fewer people might of died?
With the school's "no gun on campus" law they left every student a
sitting duck.

Food for thought.

P.S. I believe in gun control, don't get me wrong. If a person will a
documented mental illness can buy a gun, the laws need tweaked. That
said... gun control for me comes in the form of my index finger.

90% of what people fear comes from a lack of knowledge, this holds true
for guns as well.

No, I'd ask you to first define "decorated".

Then I'd remind you that 200 vets is less than a fraction of a percent
of all the vets out there.

Not only am I a vet but I was in special operations for close to 7
years. Know what I would of done if I was on that plane? I'd of kept my
down and gathered intel so I could provide a good debrief upon release.
Why would I of done that? Because prior to that event, most hijackings
ended with the majority of passengers being set free. I'm not going to
risk the lives of everyone on that plane so I could get a medal. Heroes
are for Hollywood, in real life they get people killed.

Now what my actions would be post 9/11 is a different story.

Like I said...how can our government keep a 9/11 conspiracy a secret if
they can't even keep misleading intel reports for Iraq a secret? It's
impossible. The only way a secret never gets told is if only two people
know it and one of them is dead.

Dude, I could so use two of me. I'd be able to focus on two full time
jobs instead of the three I balance now.

"What. Ever. You're the only one trying to make a claim that there's a
problem. Two people are essentially slicing you apart from the base up.
This is like watching Monty Python's "The Quest for the Holy Grail"-
you're the Black Knight."

I give this post a 10 / 10.

"and I dont have to explain anything to you. "

You seemed so eager to explain yourself in your previous posts...could
of fooled me.

Ok. So then once more...how can you stand living in a country that does
such horrific things?

^^^It's a simple question. I don't need links or lectures instead of an
answer.

BTW...my school taught us of the tragedy that befell the native
Americans. Unless you were born in the Jamestown Settlement, I doubt
you were taught they were savages. If you were, then blame you schools
curriculum. Can you name a single country that doesn't have at least one
thing in their past that was a crime against humanity?