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I remember when Carter was elected President! I felt this overwhelming sense of doom. Of late I have been feeling an even worse future if McCain is elected. Its hard to explain, its just I feel like if he is elected the country will cross a Point of no return! A point that the country will never be able to fully recover from for generations upon generations, if ever! I can see the country fracturing into pieces that Lincoln couldn't reunite again! Imagine that! Id make a good Republican aye? My feeling was right about Carter and he wasnt near as bad as the neocons McCain and Bush! Fearmongering based on 'feelings' you have. Moreso you'd make a good tool. Well, there ya go. 
La, la, la, la, la, la!! |
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.  
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain! 
Lindyy 
Dream on. Here's some Orbison for ya! Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSddgYKtPBE |
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Vote for Obama!!!!! See you in the bread line comrades!  Bread line? There won't be one... we just won't have any cash to spend on anything and will get our food as a government stipend. Oh, and it's not comrade... but I won't egg on comments for what it would end up becoming if the left wing liberals got everything they wanted...
See Socialism 101. Saw it. It didn't work. Let's not do that again, ok? What's the matter? Too close to the truth? |
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Vote for Obama!!!!! See you in the bread line comrades! Bread line? There won't be one... we just won't have any cash to spend on anything and will get our food as a government stipend. Oh, and it's not comrade... but I won't egg on comments for what it would end up becoming if the left wing liberals got everything they wanted...
See Socialism 101. |
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McCain is against MLK day
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Dude... what the hell? As one of about 12 black people active in the forums, let me be the one to state that bringing this up as a political issue is a) Bad politics b) Bad for the country c) Bad for us individually. McCain was certainly not the only person to vote against the holiday. In fact, it wasn't until 2000 that all 50 states recognized the day as a holiday. That doesn't mean that McCain or the people who don't support it don't like black people. They just don't agree with it being a national holiday. As an American, no matter how much I may disagree with that position, the best part about this country is that we are FREE to disagree without violence. That being said, it is what it is. Furthermore, McCain has - in the years after the 1983 vote - reversed his decision, and even supported attempts to get the holiday recognized in his home state. Whether this was sincere, or politics, I don't know. I guess the cynical point of view would be to assume it was simply to avoid heat. Personally, I'm tired of cynicism. I'd like to believe that the man was locked in a cage during the civil rights struggle, didn't understand the significance, and made a judgement based on some other criteria other than racism, then maybe saw that it was a bigger deal than he realized, and learned. Who knows? Bottom line is, I'm not going to cast (or not cast) a vote for President based on him voting for or against a national holiday. It's ridiculous. As I look at the body of McCain's work, I can tell you that I don't think he's a racist. I think the word 'racist' is thrown out there waaay too much, and it's unfortunate. Many retarded comments (like a few uneducated opinions in this post) are not made from a hatred of minorites. They're made from a position of ignorance, and a general disenchantment and disillusionment of their personal positions. Well, I feel as sorry for them as they would for me. I'm 34, educated, well compensated for my work, and am generally isolated from the issues that MLK fought for. I do appreciate what the man did, and I hold him in high regard for it. But if people choose not to recognize it, I don't care. He simply fought for the right of all Americans (not just blacks) to be able to share in the American dream. That has been realized to a large extent, and ANY American who doesn't take advantage of it (white, black, female, male, hispanic) I could give two ****s about. Bottom line is, if you want it, go get it. With THAT, said, I would suggest anyone using MLK, blacks, hispanics or any other racially divisive issue to promote a candidate, take a hard look at what's happening in this country. Progress is inevitable. You can't stop it. We're all here, no one's going anywhere, and we're all gonna just have to learn to deal with it. If I don't vote for McCain, it's not because Obama's black. It would be because I feel he represents the best opportunity to reverse the direction that the Bush administration set us on, which you'd have to be close to moronic to support.  
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McCain is against MLK day
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i'm sorry but no alot of african-americans don't IDENTIFY with mlk....they just have to find as many black people as possible to put on a pedistal to feel like they aren't being taken over by the white man and the government isn't gonna risk more lawsuites on that so they give them what they want....they don't identify with him because most of the black people especially here in the south are more raciest against white then we've ever been against them....they use the defacs system for everything they can because they think we owe them something for our ancesters having slaves during the civil war...hell half of them can't even name their relatives that were slaves but they're so quick to use them as an excuse to have 10 kids and sit on their ass and milk the system for all it's worth while the rest of america has to work their ass off to pay for it....mlk didn't stand for that...he wanted equal rights, how do we have equal rights if only minorities get federal aid for living assistance and medical and don't tell me it doesn't work that way because i've been there and seen that first hand....i've been a single mother since i was 17 and had to work 2 jobs most of the time because the only assistance i could get was $60 a month in food stamps but i've seen people that were black or had mixed babies that got everything defacs has to offer and yet they ride around in brand new cars wearing name brand clothes...so yes it's all about racial issues and it will always be a big deal to the black community when a white man wants to get rid of a holiday about a black man. I'm sorry about your hardships, but hatred toward African-Americans won't help you. I don't doubt there are some that might exploit the system, but not all of them do. Heck, there are Caucasians that exploit the system, too, and you could say the exact same things about them. When you make blanket statements like that, it feeds into racial stereotypes. By painting African-Americans with the same broad brush, some people might think that they are all that way, so it mischaracterizes those that aren't. No wonder they think a lot of us are racist. 
hiker bill cosby makes the same kind of statements Since I'm not African-American, I don't think I can say how they all feel. But, yes, Bill Cosby has been critical of the way some African-Americans behave. Of course, Bill Cosby is sitting in a pretty comfortable position, so he can afford to. It's easy to preach and tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but they have to have boots first. A lot of welfare is institutionalized and cross-generational, so until that system gets reformed, you will see more of what mandy described. |
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McCain is against MLK day
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i'm sorry but no alot of african-americans don't IDENTIFY with mlk....they just have to find as many black people as possible to put on a pedistal to feel like they aren't being taken over by the white man and the government isn't gonna risk more lawsuites on that so they give them what they want....they don't identify with him because most of the black people especially here in the south are more raciest against white then we've ever been against them....they use the defacs system for everything they can because they think we owe them something for our ancesters having slaves during the civil war...hell half of them can't even name their relatives that were slaves but they're so quick to use them as an excuse to have 10 kids and sit on their ass and milk the system for all it's worth while the rest of america has to work their ass off to pay for it....mlk didn't stand for that...he wanted equal rights, how do we have equal rights if only minorities get federal aid for living assistance and medical and don't tell me it doesn't work that way because i've been there and seen that first hand....i've been a single mother since i was 17 and had to work 2 jobs most of the time because the only assistance i could get was $60 a month in food stamps but i've seen people that were black or had mixed babies that got everything defacs has to offer and yet they ride around in brand new cars wearing name brand clothes...so yes it's all about racial issues and it will always be a big deal to the black community when a white man wants to get rid of a holiday about a black man. he did not want to get rid of it he just did not want to establish it lets see he was in nam fighting in the sisxties then a pow for how long he was not even in the country when mlk was active and it was the cost of a federal holiday that caused the no vote not the fat that mlk was black i am for abolishing all federal holidays if ya need a holiday then make 1 holiday unpaid to cover everything your day mankind day or something like that Yeah. Good luck with that. 
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McCain is against MLK day
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i'm sorry but no alot of african-americans don't IDENTIFY with mlk....they just have to find as many black people as possible to put on a pedistal to feel like they aren't being taken over by the white man and the government isn't gonna risk more lawsuites on that so they give them what they want....they don't identify with him because most of the black people especially here in the south are more raciest against white then we've ever been against them....they use the defacs system for everything they can because they think we owe them something for our ancesters having slaves during the civil war...hell half of them can't even name their relatives that were slaves but they're so quick to use them as an excuse to have 10 kids and sit on their ass and milk the system for all it's worth while the rest of america has to work their ass off to pay for it....mlk didn't stand for that...he wanted equal rights, how do we have equal rights if only minorities get federal aid for living assistance and medical and don't tell me it doesn't work that way because i've been there and seen that first hand....i've been a single mother since i was 17 and had to work 2 jobs most of the time because the only assistance i could get was $60 a month in food stamps but i've seen people that were black or had mixed babies that got everything defacs has to offer and yet they ride around in brand new cars wearing name brand clothes...so yes it's all about racial issues and it will always be a big deal to the black community when a white man wants to get rid of a holiday about a black man. I'm sorry about your hardships, but hatred toward African-Americans won't help you. I don't doubt there are some that might exploit the system, but not all of them do. Heck, there are Caucasians that exploit the system, too, and you could say the exact same things about them. When you make blanket statements like that, it feeds into racial stereotypes. By painting African-Americans with the same broad brush, some people might think that they are all that way, so it mischaracterizes those that aren't. No wonder they think a lot of us are racist.
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Edited by
mnhiker
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Fri 06/27/08 10:22 AM
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 me personally im sorry but i dont like the idea of having a president that will not even salute our flag! and like it or not this country was founded by christians and to me its a smack in the face to all that have fought and died (God rest their souls, and Bless their families) and do fight for all we Americans believe in, with me its not a racial issue at all..as some might believe, but it is a Proud to be an AMERICAN issue and to have a President that will NOT salute OUR national flag would be a disgrace! again please dont argue everyone has the right to their own opinions (one of our freedoms). I was just curious how others felt!
This claim has been disproven. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp You can't believe everything the right-wing media tells you and their are a lot of rumors going around. Don't be exploited! |
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The bill was to spare the 10% cut! Democrats were trying to keep the 10% reduction from taking place! 49 Republicans blocked it! He was talking to those 49 Republicans specifically when he said, "Who would be afraid of him?" Reid said as many senators looked on. "He's got a 29 percent approval rating." Man I love that quote!!!
Damn Republicans 
Fanta, Well, most Republicans can't think for themselves, which is why they have to do the President's bidding. Republicans who tried to think for themselves here in Minnesota and vote against what Governor Pawlenty wanted got stripped of their leadership positions! Damn Republican leadership!
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McCain is against MLK day
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yes the majority of the american populous is to lazy to inform themselves as far as the issues or even the true stance behind political candidates just like this mlk day thing i wonder how many tax dollars this and any other federal holiday costs the american taxpayer washintons birthday is not a holiday roosevelt's (the only prez to be in office 4 terms) is not a holiday granted mlk was a grteat man no doubt about it and i am pretty sure mccain feels the same way but to spend millions of dollars every year to celibrate his birthday i would almost bet mlk himself would say this money could be better used to work on the equal rights of all and to move closer towards the realization of all races working in unison for the betterment of man I have to disagree with MLK being the greatest man...No such thing as the greatest man or women anywhere...That would be like seating them at the right hand of the father. The holiday is there for one reason and one reason only...Racial relaxation... Right now we are faced with the worst nightmare in American history...All the third worlds are laughing at us right now, Our allies are wondering whether its a good thing to side with us, the citizens of this so called great nation, dont want to live here anymore, our country is poor, its inhabitants are worse off than ever because we send the aid in the opposite direction. We have soldiers dieing all over the world for someone elses cause. We are contributing to global warming more than any other country... I make a comparison to the great depression... Before the depression started...people lived within their means..then everything fell apart...they had to stand in food lines for food....but that experience made them richer in the long run..they didnt cry like babies because they didnt have matching shoes.. Now,,,there are so many people who live way beyond their means...If they had to give up TV...they would f*ing die..not to mention internet, telephones, electronics, nice cars...It doesnt surprise me in the least that the forclosure rate has toppled over in the million.. People suffer now because of their own hand...If you take too many cookies out of the cookie jar...someone will have to replace them. (((adj4u))) Had to post to get the heat off of my baby gurl..Mandy... Bash time...come one....come all...Im out of here...had to rile some feathers for the fun if nothing else...
I don't see how getting rid of MLK Day will solve any of these things. But, yeah, he was just a great man, he wasn't Jesus or the Second Coming. A lot of African-Americans identify with him, so why would you want to stir up trouble with them by getting rid of the holiday? Anyway, I agree with those problems you mentioned, and it is not a stretch of the imagination to say that there are serious economic problems in this country that could lead to another Great Depression. My dad lived through it. It was pretty bad. People had to stand in long soup lines and many who had all their money tied up in the stock market lost everything. A lot of these people jumped out of skyscraper windows to their deaths. |
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Topic:
The communist manifesto
Edited by
mnhiker
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Fri 06/27/08 09:56 AM
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HEAVEN IS A COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP (think about it) Maybe Heaven has Enzyte (tm)!
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Bush walks with God! What would you know about evangelicals? Lies I tell you.. You really need to stop! Bush doesn't go to church, yet he walks with God. God tells him what to do, which I suppose makes this country officially a theocracy. I guess we have more in common with Iran than we think! 
organized religion ==the root of all evil you do not need to go to a church to believe in a god nor to live what you feel gods will is the he does not go to church argument is nonrelitive and yes the united states does have more in comman with iran than most realize the ban on gay marriage for an example is based on religious bias for one i have challenged anyone to show any reason for the prejudice other than a religious one and i have yet to be shown one Yes, that's true, but a lot of Evangelicals don't know that he doesn't go to church, and if they did, they would be shocked. Many of them believe that you can't be a good Christian without going to church! i would argue you cant be a good christian if you do go to church too much hypocrisy prejudice and violence I don't know as I'd go as far as to say that. There could be Christians who go to church who really practice what they preach. But, yeah, there are a lot who don't and are guilty of those things you mentioned. |
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I liked this, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., changed his vote from yes to no in a procedural move to enable him to bring up the bill later. He ridiculed Republicans who sided with Bush in opposing the bill. "Who would be afraid of him?" Reid said as many senators looked on. "He's got a 29 percent approval rating."
Now that is respect!!
Fanta, Which bill was that? |
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Bush walks with God! What would you know about evangelicals? Lies I tell you.. You really need to stop! Bush doesn't go to church, yet he walks with God. God tells him what to do, which I suppose makes this country officially a theocracy. I guess we have more in common with Iran than we think!
organized religion ==the root of all evil you do not need to go to a church to believe in a god nor to live what you feel gods will is the he does not go to church argument is nonrelitive and yes the united states does have more in comman with iran than most realize the ban on gay marriage for an example is based on religious bias for one i have challenged anyone to show any reason for the prejudice other than a religious one and i have yet to be shown one Yes, that's true, but a lot of Evangelicals don't know that he doesn't go to church, and if they did, they would be shocked. Many of them believe that you can't be a good Christian without going to church! |
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Topic:
The Two Obamas....
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Wouldn't it be funny if,the day after he's elected, he joins a mosque! NOT!
We have freedom of Religion in America! Where do you live? Our U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison is a Muslim and he took his oath on the Koran! Anyone have a problem with that? |
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mnhiker
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Bush walks with God! What would you know about evangelicals? Lies I tell you.. You really need to stop! Bush doesn't go to church, yet he walks with God. God tells him what to do, which I suppose makes this country officially a theocracy. I guess we have more in common with Iran than we think!
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The Two Obamas....
Edited by
mnhiker
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Op-Ed Columnist The Two Obamas The New York Times OPINION By DAVID BROOKS Published: June 20, 2008 "God, Republicans are saps. They think that they’re running against some academic liberal who wouldn’t wear flag pins on his lapel, whose wife isn’t proud of America and who went to some liberationist church where the pastor damned his own country. They think they’re running against some naïve university-town dreamer, the second coming of Adlai Stevenson. But as recent weeks have made clear, Barack Obama is the most split-personality politician in the country today. On the one hand, there is Dr. Barack, the high-minded, Niebuhr-quoting speechifier who spent this past winter thrilling the Scarlett Johansson set and feeling the fierce urgency of now. But then on the other side, there’s Fast Eddie Obama, the promise-breaking, tough-minded Chicago pol who’d throw you under the truck for votes." You can read the rest of David Brooks' opinion at the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html?em&ex=1214280000&en=1c5f1b8c238d49d2&ei=5087%0A# What say you? David Brooks. Yeah. I notice when I google him, he is described as a Canadian-American. What is he, Canadian, American, or what? Maybe he has dual citizenship. Makes you wonder where his loyalties lie. At any rate, he signed on with the neocons, so I hardly think he's an unbiased source. He used to be a liberal, which I find interesting. Maybe the conservatives pay him more money. |
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McCain is against MLK day
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That is where McCain's opposition is misconstrued and why! Many of you are not old enough to remember when this happened, and I'm not sure if every State handled it in the same way! If you cant understand a Veterans feelings about this then I feel for your common sense! It was handled badly and has yet to be corrected! Hmm. I wonder what African-Americans feel about this issue? My girlfriend is African-American, and I know she would rather have MLK Day. |
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Edited by
mnhiker
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Fri 06/27/08 07:11 AM
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Check it out:
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_041012bsh.shtml Here's another interesting article: http://www.mikehersh.com/can_Christians_follow_Bush.shtml |
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