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Edited by
mnhiker
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Fri 07/11/08 06:26 PM
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Maybe what's in your head is the Dream Police!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/19812/1445318 
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Still waiting! What are they doing? Running an FBI background check? No, they're tracing your IP address back to the source!
Actually, it's not that funny. They can do that. |
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The Bush and Cheney families benefited financially from increasing oil prices and Halliburton contracts.
There were a lot of monopolies at the turn of the 19th Century to the early part of the 20th Century in the United States. Electing Bush and Cheney would have been equivalent at that time to electing someone like John D. Rockefeller as President with William Randolph Hearst as V.P. Rockefeller was an oil man and Hearst started 'yellow journalism'. Yellow journalism: http://alt.tnt.tv/movies/tntoriginals/roughriders/jour.home.html 'In 1898, newspapers provided the major source of news in America. At this time, it was common practice for a newspaper to report the editor's interpretation of the news rather than objective journalism. If the information reported was inaccurate or biased, the American public had little means for verification.' Sound familiar? Rupert Murdock and Fox News? Read about how the Spanish American War got started! http://alt.tnt.tv/movies/tntoriginals/roughriders/jour.influencewar.html |
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He may end up running as an independent after the GOP dumps him.
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why don't the republican party just say. after eight years we started two wars, we have almost single handily. wipe out the middle class. we have giving tax breaks to all our rich freinds.that would work. hell there go to lose the white and the senate anyway, I think Sen. John McCain should offer a public apology for what the Republican Party has done to this country for the past 7 years. Then run as an Independent. 'My friends, I'm embarrassed at what the Bush Administration has been doing to this country and can't be a part of it any more.' 'I'm leaving the Republican Party and running as an Independent to make a real difference and improve the lives of poor and middle class working families.' He could then pick Ron Paul as his running mate. If he did that, his chances would improve. |
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Is it too late to suggest a write-in ??? thats my girl another beginning to see the light write in write in write in write in write in write in write in write in write in write in write in write in    
Wow thats all you got.............we are in the biggest recession since the depression and gas prices are ridiculous while Bush is reaping the benefits and all we got is some damn shirts to nitpik...........im done the world has a right to call us idiots........ We are NOT. Please post the site where you got that false information about a recession and President Bush is reaping benefits. WHAT benefits??? Glad to see you are so patriotic. 
Lindyy
Lindyy, In case you haven't forgotten, the Bush family is in the oil business, so they benefit DIRECTLY from higher gas prices. |
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Republicans and conservatives have to be part of solving our problems. Excluding then will produce gridlock and failure. They've been producing gridlock and failure for the past 7 years! What they need to be is in more of a minority so that things can get done without being bogged down in debate! |
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This man, Gramm, whose extensive ties to Enron proved problematic during the firm's implosion several years ago, was serving as a lobbyist for the international banking and subprime mortgage giant UBS until April. As Mother Jones documented, Gramm played a key role in the subprime meltdown during his time in the Senate. Is John McCains economic advisor, and will probably be his Sec of Treasury if elected! Do you really think McCain who swore off lobbyist and who claims the high ground of conducting a "respectful" campaign would actually make Gramm his Sec of Treasury? 
ALL I know for sure is that lobbyist are not working for nothing and they're not working in our interest. How many Federal lobbyist does McCain have working in his campaign. Isn't it like 59? "Gramm who called Americans "a Nation of Whiners") was a lobbyist for a foreign bank during the same time he served as an advisor to John McCain. He also had a hand in the mortgage meltdown, and crafted McCain's response to the mortgage crisis: screwing borrowers to save lenders." Its all mental....... Its in your mind.... Watch Fox and repeat after me. Gas is not $4.00 a gal. Jobs have not disappeared. Food, ahhh food is cheap! Fanny mae and Freddie Mac are not $11 billion dollars in the hole. Pay is up, and employment opportunities are vast! Vote for me Mr. McConfused!        
I think McConfused might be a better description than McSame, he really is different than Bush....Really he is. I feel for him,  he needs to be napping, not flipflopping around like a whale out of water.
He was truly transformed when he gave Bush that big ole hug at the revival I mean the republican convention.  He wants to give us the CHANGE WE DESERVE, that could be a sign that the slogan he tried to imitate came from an anti-depressant ad. Whoa! We will all need them anti-depressants if he is elected, but what does that matter to the rich who run this once great country of ours? 
Yes, we would want a cranky President McSame to take a LOT of naps! Less likely he'd, oh, send some ICBMs to Russia, North Korea or bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran! 
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
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The bill has existed since 1978 though. I see no more reason to be paranoid or make a big deal about it just because the Senate renewed it! Bush already got caught breaking this law once. Surely the telecom companies wont take the chance of being granted immunity for helping him break it again! I dont think the law will be as generous to them a second time! Why not? They were too big and important to touch. I found Chris Dodd's speach on the Senate Floor on Fisa to be quite interesting. He says now we will never know if the president broke the law because it will never have it's day in court. http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/4476 http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/4476 I wonder if anyone was listening? 
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
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The bill has existed since 1978 though. I see no more reason to be paranoid or make a big deal about it just because the Senate renewed it! Bush already got caught breaking this law once. Surely the telecom companies wont take the chance of being granted immunity for helping him break it again! I dont think the law will be as generous to them a second time! Well, if they don't get caught doing it, then no one will know! |
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WASHINGTON — National Republican leaders will unveil a Web site Friday that they hope will encourage grassroots participation in the shaping of the party's 2008 platform. Republican leaders say they believe the site, www.gopplatform2008.com, will create an online community allowing anyone with access to a computer to offer ideas, to comment on others' ideas, and even to submit videos explaining their views. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6485676 Im going to go register! This might be fun!!!
Fanta, From the second link you listed: 'What the site certainly will generate for the Republican National Committee is a ready-to-go database of contact names for future fund-raising.' Do you really want to get on their spam list and have them call you up for money? |
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
Edited by
mnhiker
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Fri 07/11/08 04:16 PM
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‘‘(a) AUTHORIZATION.—Notwithstanding any other 15 provision of law, upon the issuance of an order in accordance with subsection (i)(3) or a determination under subsection (c)(2), the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence may authorize jointly, for a period of up to 1 year from the effective date of the authorization, the targeting of persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States to acquire foreign intelligence information. 23 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—An acquisition authorized under 24 subsection (a)— 6 •HR 6304 EH 1 ‘‘(1) may not intentionally target any person 2 known at the time of acquisition to be located in the 3 United States; 4 ‘‘(2) may not intentionally target a person rea5 sonably believed to be located outside the United 6 States if the purpose of such acquisition is to target 7 a particular, known person reasonably believed to be 8 in the United States; 9 ‘‘(3) may not intentionally target a United 10 States person reasonably believed to be located out11 side the United States; 12 ‘‘(4) may not intentionally acquire any commu13 nication as to which the sender and all intended re14 cipients are known at the time of the acquisition to 15 be located in the United States; and 16 ‘‘(5) shall be conducted in a manner consistent 17 with the fourth amendment to the Constitution of 18 the United States. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h6304eh.txt.pdf The above is what was passed yesterday! So Fanta, let me ask you something. Do you trust a Republican President to go by the letter of the law as defined by the updated FISA legislation? |
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FISA Legislation
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Have you watched "V for Vendetta"? Im on the fence with this one. Its so black and white, yes or no. What about the grey areas...are there exceptions? Personally, No I'm against the thought of the government easedropping on our phonelines...If I had to chose the black and white answer. Do I think the communication companies should be immune to suit? Yes. The companies have nothing to profit from leaking the lines but to be simply pawns for the government. Some of the worst deeds are done with the best of intentions. I think the thought of isolating and identifying the terrorists "within" is a tactfull strategy...however assuming every american is guilty until proven innocent is where government needs to draw the line. Security vs. Privacy, I chose privacy. I do not feel safer by screening random phone conversations. Maybe if there was an exception to the rule and covered the grey areas..like screening would only take place if criminal or previous terrorist behavior was reported from a certain number of individuals. Just my thoughts but maybe Im a bit more of a utilitarian than some. Yes, I have and that's exactly what's happening to this country. Maybe not quite yet as bad as what was depicted in the movie, but when we give the Executive Branch more power we are on the road to totalitarianism. |
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I'm confused. I personally don't like either canidate, but I just read both website economy information. Did I miss something or are both of them living in a dream world ? I completely read both websites and somehow McCain is going to create 2 million jobs thru econimic stimulus and Obama is going to create 5 million with the same. Where in the US do we have that many unemployed people ? Are we going to bring in more Mexicans? I found some information for you about the unemployment rate. According to the census of July 2008 there are 203,987,724 between the ages of 15-64. The unemployment rate as of July '08 is 4.6% which equals out to 9,383,435.304. So yeah, there are that many, if not more, unemployed people in the U.S. today. Here is the site that I got my info from if you'd like to look at it further. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html That boy will never read or acknowledge facts carmen. He will, as Ive proven before, post half truths though. Omitting what doesnt suit his NeoCon objectives! He'll even swear he's a Democrat when caught!
Are you talking about me ?? Noooooo!!! Good because I saw you using my quote and I was like I can't vote for Fanta for president anymore. PS Carmen from Labor department 5.5% unemployment=8.5 million unemployed with 4.4 miilion actually looking for jobs. So I guess Obama is going to create people too. I'm confused about your statement "Obama is going to create people too." What do you mean by that? And just because 4.4 million people are lookingfor a job, doesn't mean they havea job meaning, they are still unemployed! Statistics are very misleading. The unemployment statistics the government publishes does NOT include all of the people who have dropped off the unemployment roles or have just given up. If you counted those people, I'm sure the unemployment rate in this country would be MUCH higher. |
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
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http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=92398782&m=92398748 NPR radio!! The new bill is a revision of the 1978 bill. The immunity is to protect the telecom companies from lawsuits for allowing the warrant-less taps Bush was secretly doing! The new bill pretty much allows what was already legal, with a few exceptions, since 1978! (not as bad as it seems) I think the Bill you showed is the 1978 Bill! The new Bill stops Bush from the illegal taps without giving him immunity for breaking the law. (I hope!) I wonder what exactly the new provisions consist of?? I wonder too. FISA Amendments Act of 2008: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h6304eh.txt.pdf |
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FISA Legislation
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http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=92398782&m=92398748 NPR radio!! The new bill is a revision of the 1978 bill. The immunity is to protect the telecom companies from lawsuits for allowing the warrant-less taps Bush was secretly doing! The new bill pretty much allows what was already legal, with a few exceptions, since 1978! (not as bad as it seems) I think the Bill you showed is the 1978 Bill! The new Bill stops Bush from the illegal taps without giving him immunity for breaking the law. (I hope!) I wonder what exactly the new provisions consist of?? I wonder too. |
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FISA Legislation
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That's odd, because here's what I found! Pennsylvania Republican Arlen Specter pointed out that 70 senators have not even been briefed on what the warrantless spying program entailed. "There's an old expression: buying a pig in a poke. It means buying something that you don't know what it is you're buying. Well, that's what the Senate is being asked to do here today — to grant retroactive immunity to a program where the members don't know what the program is," Specter said. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92398782 In other words, they've been had. Too bad their ignorance affects the rest of us! 
Also from that article: 'Republican presidential contender John McCain spent the day campaigning.' Great dodge, McCain! |
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FISA Legislation
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That's odd, because here's what I found! Pennsylvania Republican Arlen Specter pointed out that 70 senators have not even been briefed on what the warrantless spying program entailed. "There's an old expression: buying a pig in a poke. It means buying something that you don't know what it is you're buying. Well, that's what the Senate is being asked to do here today — to grant retroactive immunity to a program where the members don't know what the program is," Specter said. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92398782 In other words, they've been had. Too bad their ignorance affects the rest of us!
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
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At least there are rules on it now. He was doing it without anyone's knowledge until he got busted! Still Id like to know what the rules are! I do think some wiretapping is necessary, but with rules and closely monitored! Here's what's contained in H.R. 6304: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6304 Excerpts: ‘(3) may not intentionally target a United States person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States; What about unintentionally targeting? ‘(4) may not intentionally acquire any communication as to which the sender and all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be located in the United States...' Ditto. ‘(i) there are procedures in place that have been approved, have been submitted for approval, or will be submitted with the certification for approval by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that are reasonably designed to-- ‘(I) ensure that an acquisition authorized under subsection (a) is limited to targeting persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States; and ‘(II) prevent the intentional acquisition of any communication as to which the sender and all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be located in the United States; So if you're on vacation outside the country, you're fair game? I'll let you read the rest of the document yourself and decide for yourself if it's reasonable. |
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Topic:
FISA Legislation
Edited by
mnhiker
on
Thu 07/10/08 09:28 PM
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I cant find out what is contained in the bill. They said 70 of the senators weren't even told. (top secret) Supposedly they voted in the blind. All I can find is the part about the amnesty for the telecom companies. I didn't spend a lot of time looking, but I suspect there was a deal cut so the Dems could get something they wanted! I' was going to look more later and didn't want to comment before then! Does anyone know what was in the bill? I mean the specifics. I know it was about surveillance, but what are the rules? I'll probably still vote for Obama, because, look at the alternative. But I was disappointed he voted with the other Democrats on this. Hillary voted against it. I think the Dems caved in to the President on this one. I dont think it gives as broad authorization as the illegal wire tapping Bush was allowing, but I cant find what it allows or doesn't allow! Do you? Do you know the specifics? They said it was a blind vote. I dont think they should have allowed it to be that way, but like I said I think there was some kind of deal cut between the parties! From what I read it gives the telecom companies immunity for past violations, and they had heated debates over some of the rules, but that's all I can find! There weren't many who voted nay though! What can you do? I'm still voting for Obama too. I'm disappointed but what can you do? I don't know the specifics, and of course they cut some kind of deal, but cutting a deal where the President gets most of what he wanted anyway stinks to high heaven to me! In my opinion, they capitulated. Why didn't Hillary vote for it, if it's such a great deal? I think it just keeps the door open for the telecom companies and the President to spy on anyone they damn please. Fanta, Here's more information: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080711/ap_on_go_pr_wh/terrorist_surveillance 'Its passage was a major victory for Bush, an unpopular lame-duck president who nevertheless has been able to prevail over Congress on most issues of national security and intelligence disputes.'
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