hears somthing i got from freind in gov----------STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL, AND READ WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END. WOW!........................................................................................................................................


33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language on June 6, 2007 !
On Wed. 6 June 2007, Colonel Harry Riley, USA, Ret. wrote: Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348..... to make English America's official language is astounding!
On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.
I don't much care where you come from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other color...male or female......Democrat, Republican or Independent....... But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing Citizens of America ...and Vote against English as the official language of the United States .
Your vote reflects Betrayal. Political Surrender. Violates Your Pledge of Allegiance. Dishonors historical principle. Rejects Patriotism. Borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment... Recall........Or other appropriate action is warranted, or worse!
Four of you voting against English as America's Official Language, are Presidential Candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama!!
Four Senators vying to lead America, but won't, or don't, have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's Official Language when 91% of American Citizens want English officially designated as our language! This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as 'political Hacks'..... Unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States !!

If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally 'rock you out of your socks'......... And preferably, totally out of the United States Senate!

The entire immigration bill is a farce... Your action only confirms this really isn't about America... it is about self-serving politics......despicable at best. It has been said: "Never Argue with an Idiot....They'll drag you down to their level !"

PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID:
'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!"

PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING AROUND THE UNITED STATES UNTIL THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER!

So then why is the NY Post & Wall St. Journal doing so well?

mteagle .. what book are you reading... your post makes no sense, if you think obama is the antichrist just say so i'm thinking lots would agree with you , but come on lets not make our own scripture up,

I'm sorry to tell you, but my cat Snowball is the anti christ. Shes also the queen of the world (i dare you to tell her other wise and see what happens).

Let me preface this by telling you that I am a
registered Republican.

Yesterday the Bush administration got a big slap in the
face by the voters. The Democrats now have control of
the senate and the house of representatives. I believe
that the results of the voting was more of a way for voters
to voice their dissatisfaction with Bush rather than voting
for or against a certain candidate. I myself have to say
that I am very dissatisfied with Bush. He was put all of
our resources into Iraq and Afghanistan and basically
no real resources at home. I also blame Bush for taking
no real action to stop the influx of illegal aliens. He
talks about security but lets our southern border be
basically unsecured. Also under Bush "outsourcing"
started. American jobs were sent overseas. I also think
the economy is booming if you're rich. If you're middle
class or poor the economy has been awful. The truth wiil
eventually come out about the economy. I'm not saying I
am jumping for joy at the thought of Democrats taking over
but I am joyful that a message was sent to Bush to get
his **** together. If he doesn't learn from this he will
cost Republicans the next presidential election. The
people spoke loudly yesterday. Oh, I almost forgot,
about a week ago on 60 minutes the guy appointed to run
the faith based initiatives office told how he was laughed
at and not taken seriously. He said that religion was not
exactly taken seriously by the Bush administration. I think
that finding this out made alot of Christian voters who
would show up and vote Republican disallusioned. I don't
think republican candidates lost because of fault of their
own. I think they lost because of their association with
Bush.

The Official US Interpretation of the Geneva Convention as it pertains to Detention and Interrogation:

Section 1. General Determinations. (a) The United States is engaged in an armed conflict with al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces. Members of al Qaeda were responsible for the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, and for many other terrorist attacks, including against the United States, its personnel, and its allies throughout the world. These forces continue to fight the United States and its allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, and they continue to plan additional acts of terror throughout the world. On February 7, 2002, I determined for the United States that members of al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces are unlawful enemy combatants who are not entitled to the protections that the Third Geneva Convention provides to prisoners of war. I hereby reaffirm that determination.

(b) The Military Commissions Act defines certain prohibitions of Common Article 3 for United States law, and it reaffirms and reinforces the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this order:

(a) "Common Article 3" means Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.

(b) "Geneva Conventions" means:

(i) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3114);

(ii) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3217);

(iii) the Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3316); and

(iv) the Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3516).

(c) "Cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment" means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

Sec. 3. Compliance of a Central Intelligence Agency Detention and Interrogation Program with Common Article 3. (a) Pursuant to the authority of the President under the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including the Military Commissions Act of 2006, this order interprets the meaning and application of the text of Common Article 3 with respect to certain detentions and interrogations, and shall be treated as authoritative for all purposes as a matter of United States law, including satisfaction of the international obligations of the United States. I hereby determine that Common Article 3 shall apply to a program of detention and interrogation operated by the Central Intelligence Agency as set forth in this section. The requirements set forth in this section shall be applied with respect to detainees in such program without adverse distinction as to their race, color, religion or faith, sex, birth, or wealth.

(b) I hereby determine that a program of detention and interrogation approved by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency fully complies with the obligations of the United States under Common Article 3, provided that:

(i) the conditions of confinement and interrogation practices of the program do not include:

(A) torture, as defined in section 2340 of title 18, United States Code;

(B) any of the acts prohibited by section 2441(d) of title 18, United States Code, including murder, torture, cruel or inhuman treatment, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, rape, sexual assault or abuse, taking of hostages, or performing of biological experiments;

(C) other acts of violence serious enough to be considered comparable to murder, torture, mutilation, and cruel or inhuman treatment, as defined in section 2441(d) of title 18, United States Code;

(D) any other acts of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment prohibited by the Military Commissions Act (subsection 6(c) of Public Law 109 366) and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (section 1003 of Public Law 109 148 and section 1403 of Public Law 109 163);

(E) willful and outrageous acts of personal abuse done for the purpose of humiliating or degrading the individual in a manner so serious that any reasonable person, considering the circumstances, would deem the acts to be beyond the bounds of human decency, such as sexual or sexually indecent acts undertaken for the purpose of humiliation, forcing the individual to perform sexual acts or to pose sexually, threatening the individual with sexual mutilation, or using the individual as a human shield; or

(F) acts intended to denigrate the religion, religious practices, or religious objects of the individual;

(ii) the conditions of confinement and interrogation practices are to be used with an alien detainee who is determined by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency:

(A) to be a member or part of or supporting al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated organizations; and

(B) likely to be in possession of information that:

(1) could assist in detecting, mitigating, or preventing terrorist attacks, such as attacks within the United States or against its Armed Forces or other personnel, citizens, or facilities, or against allies or other countries cooperating in the war on terror with the United States, or their armed forces or other personnel, citizens, or facilities; or

(2) could assist in locating the senior leadership of al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces;

(iii) the interrogation practices are determined by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, based upon professional advice, to be safe for use with each detainee with whom they are used; and

(iv) detainees in the program receive the basic necessities of life, including adequate food and water, shelter from the elements, necessary clothing, protection from extremes of heat and cold, and essential medical care.

(c) The Director of the Central Intelligence Agency shall issue written policies to govern the program, including guidelines for Central Intelligence Agency personnel that implement paragraphs (i)(C), (E), and (F) of subsection 3(b) of this order, and including requirements to ensure:

(i) safe and professional operation of the program;

(ii) the development of an approved plan of interrogation tailored for each detainee in the program to be interrogated, consistent with subsection 3(b)(iv) of this order;

(iii) appropriate training for interrogators and all personnel operating the program;

(iv) effective monitoring of the program, including with respect to medical matters, to ensure the safety of those in the program; and

(v) compliance with applicable law and this order.

Sec. 4. Assignment of Function. With respect to the program addressed in this order, the function of the President under section 6(c)(3) of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 is assigned to the Director of National Intelligence.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Subject to subsection (b) of this section, this order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, against the United States, its departments, agencies, or other entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.

(b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to prevent or limit reliance upon this order in a civil, criminal, or administrative proceeding, or otherwise, by the Central Intelligence Agency or by any individual acting on behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency in connection with the program addressed in this order.

I had that same problem and the guy I was riding with in the car could not understand and I was laughing too hard to explain. He is an idiot.

but since i been in USA 43 years, I'm not really an immigrant anymore. i think I'm saying its my right to complain,. since i pay taxes like everybody Else may not can be president, but hell would not want to be,

On the contrary. The Geneva Convention applies to persons that have taken up arms (i.e. combatant) and that is exactally what most of those people are.

War is war no matter what the person wears for a uniform.

has anyone been to Europe lately, going to Austria next month. job thing.

I'm completely shocked...not true...tell me please...not true

and this has just become obvious?

The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorism, terrorists or any actions taken against terroists.

Don't think that if there were evidence that would break a case open for the prosecution that they would not use it to convict.
There is a line of people (you stand in it) who would do anything they could to discredit our military.

Well, guys have created the english-only part of forum.
Everybody is invited try to login to http://forum.moemnenie.info/forumdisplay.php?f=61

Feel youself as at home :)

If you see a lot of russian words try to scroll down to bottom of the page: there's a drop-down box above the ads to choose language.

A good point to start with might be http://forum.moemnenie.info/forumdisplay.php?f=36 - there are a lot of photos made by users across of the world, but mostly in Russia. You can ask question about any photo in English - your post will be translated (by me and some other volunteers) and moved to the English-only branch.

The forum is non-commercial, there's no commercial ads, it was organized as attempt to create absolutely non-moderated communication channel with only one rule "no flame".

Though there's only one such branch on the forum today, and all the others are more-or-less moderated, but any way, our community is something between New-Hampshire (at least as i was told about it), anti-utopia fantasy and Heinlein's "The Moon is the harsh mistress".

Ask me if you need a help or guys with nicknames: Soapmaker owner of the domain, Worker - soccer fan, Topsik - journalist who goes to USA quite often.

Don't pay attention on posts in russian - it would be translations of your posts for non-english speaking user. While there's much more than one translator you can be sure the translation is as close to yours as possible.

Good luck!

Wow. Those are two things we agree on.

Well I'm for alternative sources...mostly with technology... I am definately NOT FOR NUCLEAR plants in america.

to me Russia is a great place, the sites are beautiful, oh course being from Ukraine, I'm bias, but still beautiful place.