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Why is it necessary to argue about beliefs? Can't we believe what we want to without people telling us we are wrong? I'm a Chrisitan but I was brought up to know not to tell someone else they are wrong because they may not believe what I do. I don't need someone telling me that Because I don't have proof God is real that He's not real...Just as I wouldn't tell someone that doesn't believe in God they are wrong.
Why can't we have our own beliefs? |
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Why is it necessary to argue about beliefs? Can't we believe what we want to without people telling us we are wrong? I'm a Chrisitan but I was brought up to know not to tell someone else they are wrong because they may not believe what I do. I don't need someone telling me that Because I don't have proof God is real that He's not real...Just as I wouldn't tell someone that doesn't believe in God they are wrong. Why can't we have our own beliefs? We can!!!! I have my own, u do, the next person to post will, and so on...... Argument not needed!!!! U seem to nice to argue with someone anyway.... 
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i agree im not a believer but i always say each to there own, we all have our own beliefs and how we see things in this world, and different opnions on things, its whats makes us all unique
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I'm just amazed at the arguements in proving a belief is real or not....isn't that the meaning of belief????
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I'm just amazed at the arguements in proving a belief is real or not....isn't that the meaning of belief???? Yes it is, agreed. |
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The only reason that people argue against Christianity is because of the proselytizers.
Unfortunately there are those who are trying to convince non-believers that they are rejecting God if they do not believe in Christianity. They attempt to sell Christianity to people by making outrageous claims about how it has been ‘proven’ to be true, or they argue that it makes ‘perfect sense’ and can be shown to make perfect sense. So people react to those ‘sales pitches’ by explaining why they aren’t buying the story. And in order to do that, they must explain why it is that they aren’t buying. So they show where it is flawed. This creates arguments between the proselytizing sales personnel and the people who are trying to explain why they aren’t buying the product. Then the proselytizing sales people start screaming, “Why are you bashing my relgion?” And the people who aren’t interested in buying it keep screaming, “Why are you trying so hard to sell it?” And this kind of ‘marketing’ just continues ad infinitum. I have nothing against Christians who aren’t salespeople.  May God bless you and provide you with the best that life has to offer.  By the way, I believe in God too. But I didn’t get a book with God and I’m not interested in buying one. I like God better without a book.  To each their own. Please don't mistake my conversations with aggressive proselytizers as a denunciation of a religion. I'm just telling them why I'm not buying their book is all. |
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We all have our own beliefs. I am more spiritual than religious. Many people will disagree with that which is fine. I try to respect everyones belief or non-belief. We all have our own view, beliefs and opinions. No one is going to make me change what I believe. If I ever change what I believe it is because I choose to change it. I don't expect to change anyone elses belief so there isn't much sense in argueing over it.
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The only reason that people argue against Christianity is because of the proselytizers. Unfortunately there are those who are trying to convince non-believers that they are rejecting God if they do not believe in Christianity. They attempt to sell Christianity to people by making outrageous claims about how it has been ‘proven’ to be true, or they argue that it makes ‘perfect sense’ and can be shown to make perfect sense. So people react to those ‘sales pitches’ by explaining why they aren’t buying the story. And in order to do that, they must explain why it is that they aren’t buying. So they show where it is flawed. This creates arguments between the proselytizing sales personnel and the people who are trying to explain why they aren’t buying the product. Then the proselytizing sales people start screaming, “Why are you bashing my relgion?” And the people who aren’t interested in buying it keep screaming, “Why are you trying so hard to sell it?” And this kind of ‘marketing’ just continues ad infinitum. I have nothing against Christians who aren’t salespeople. May God bless you and provide you with the best that life has to offer. By the way, I believe in God too. But I didn’t get a book with God and I’m not interested in buying one. I like God better without a book. To each their own. Please don't mistake my conversations with aggressive proselytizers as a denunciation of a religion. I'm just telling them why I'm not buying their book is all. oh trust me...they are everywhere. My friend who is wiccan tries to "sell" it to me. It's every where and there are good and bad in everything
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Edited by
voileazur
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Mon 03/10/08 10:52 AM
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The only reason that people argue against Christianity is because of the proselytizers. Unfortunately there are those who are trying to convince non-believers that they are rejecting God if they do not believe in Christianity. They attempt to sell Christianity to people by making outrageous claims about how it has been ‘proven’ to be true, or they argue that it makes ‘perfect sense’ and can be shown to make perfect sense. So people react to those ‘sales pitches’ by explaining why they aren’t buying the story. And in order to do that, they must explain why it is that they aren’t buying. So they show where it is flawed. This creates arguments between the proselytizing sales personnel and the people who are trying to explain why they aren’t buying the product. Then the proselytizing sales people start screaming, “Why are you bashing my relgion?” And the people who aren’t interested in buying it keep screaming, “Why are you trying so hard to sell it?” And this kind of ‘marketing’ just continues ad infinitum. I have nothing against Christians who aren’t salespeople. May God bless you and provide you with the best that life has to offer. By the way, I believe in God too. But I didn’t get a book with God and I’m not interested in buying one. I like God better without a book. To each their own. Please don't mistake my conversations with aggressive proselytizers as a denunciation of a religion. I'm just telling them why I'm not buying their book is all. oh trust me...they are everywhere. My friend who is wiccan tries to "sell" it to me. It's every where and there are good and bad in everything I don't know you well from past posting 'yellowrose' but from what read here, I would suggest that interesting and open minded exchanges would most likely be possible with you. It is so with several other posters (Christians believers or otherwise). Posters whom can distinguish between the freedom to their beliefs is the freedom to the beliefs of others. No superiority in beliefs. That being said, discussing one's beliefs on a 'PUBLIC' and 'OPEN' forum, implies being reponsible for the fact that not all posters will 'AGREE' with, or 'SHARE' our beliefs. Furthermore, it posting on public forums implies being reponsible for not confusing a 'DISAGREEMENT', or expression of a different viewpoint or opinion, with an 'ATTACK'. The religious fanatic does so systematically, and introduces thereby the antagonistic, and 'us - them' warring syndrome. To go around 'believing' that one's 'truth' is superior to all others' personal thruth, is no longer a product of faith and spirit, but rather a product of profound delusion. Being responsible for that fact, allows for rich exchanges, the likes of which you appear to propose here 'yellowrose10' |
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Why is it necessary to argue about beliefs? Can't we believe what we want to without people telling us we are wrong? that's the same thing Hitler probably said .. |
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They use different languages, different names and different symbols to describe and explain these things; and it is only when they narrow- mindedly cling to their one way of seeing things that religious tolerance, pride and self-righteousness arise.
Imagine an Englishman, a Frenchman, a Chinese and an Indonesian all looking at a cup. The Englishman says, "That is a cup." The Frenchman answers, "No it's not. It's a tasse." The Chinese comments, "You are both wrong. It's a pei." And the Indonesian laughs at the others and says "What a fool you are. It's a cawan." The Englishman get a dictionary and shows it to the others saying, "I can prove that it is a cup. My dictionary says so." "Then your dictionary is wrong," says the Frenchman "because my dictionary clearly says it is a tasse." The Chinese scoffs at them. "My dictionary is thousands of years older than yours, so my dictionary must be right. And besides, more people speak Chinese than any other language, so it must be pei." While they are squabbling and arguing with each other, a Buddhist comes up and drinks from the cup. After he has drunk, he says to the others, "Whether you call it a cup, a tasse, a pei or a cawan, the purpose of the cup is to be used. Stop arguing and drink, stop squabbling and refresh your thirst". This is the Buddhist attitude to other religions. http://www.buddhanet.net/qanda.htm |
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I might also add that there are threads going on currently where people are attempting to suggest that the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land.
When people suggest things like that, the discussion are no longer religious in nature, but have become political in nature. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to argue why they feel that the Bible is neither wise nor of divine origin when other people are suggesting that it should be used as a basis for the law of the land. Basically all they are doing is suggesting that it be the law that everyone must convert to either Christianity and Judaism and all other religious believe be outlawed. It's the epitome of proselytizing. Just get the government to force religious conversion by law. |
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I might also add that there are threads going on currently where people are attempting to suggest that the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land. When people suggest things like that, the discussion are no longer religious in nature, but have become political in nature. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to argue why they feel that the Bible is neither wise nor of divine origin when other people are suggesting that it should be used as a basis for the law of the land. Basically all they are doing is suggesting that it be the law that everyone must convert to either Christianity and Judaism and all other religious believe be outlawed. It's the epitome of proselytizing. Just get the government to force religious conversion by law. No offense intended, but you appear to be confused. The discussion wasn't about "the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land", it was "the Bible is the foundation of the US"...a notion you agreed with. But that issue is tangential at best. The heart of the discussion was about the mental/emotional processes and resources used by people to make moral decision. |
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The discussion wasn't about "the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land", it was "the Bible is the foundation of the US"...a notion you agreed with.. I don’t agree that the Bible is the foundation of the US Government or laws. I do agree that the Bible was the foundation of the personal lives of many early Americans. Those are not the same things. The discussion most certainly was an argument that "the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land" implicitly –it was indeed suggesting that it should be used as the basis of moral values in America, which would ultimately imply that the lawmakers should also use these moral values when making the laws. It’s just sugarcoated proselytizing. Our religious values are right, everyone else’s values are wrong! |
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The discussion wasn't about "the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land", it was "the Bible is the foundation of the US"...a notion you agreed with.. I don’t agree that the Bible is the foundation of the US Government or laws. I do agree that the Bible was the foundation of the personal lives of many early Americans. Those are not the same things. The discussion most certainly was an argument that "the Bible should be used as a basis for the law of the land" implicitly –it was indeed suggesting that it should be used as the basis of moral values in America, which would ultimately imply that the lawmakers should also use these moral values when making the laws. It’s just sugarcoated proselytizing. Our religious values are right, everyone else’s values are wrong! Behind every corner, Abracadabra sees the boogey man named Christianity.  Seriously, those Bible thumping Christians you are talking about...PreciousLife and Dennis Prager...they are Jews. You were bound to find out, so I decided to break it to you gently. |
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Why is it necessary to argue about beliefs? Can't we believe what we want to without people telling us we are wrong? I'm a Chrisitan but I was brought up to know not to tell someone else they are wrong because they may not believe what I do. I don't need someone telling me that Because I don't have proof God is real that He's not real...Just as I wouldn't tell someone that doesn't believe in God they are wrong. Why can't we have our own beliefs? Back to the subject, I will answer the questions actually asked. 1. It is not necessary to argue about beliefs. 2. You can believe what you want, but someone may tell you that you are wrong if you make your beliefs known and especially if you proclaim your beliefs as being truth when you have no proof. 3. Last question: We certainly can and do have our own beliefs. About arguments I will tell you this: My X-husband used to tell he that he hated arguments and accused me of always arguing with him. It was my impression that he was the root cause of the argument which always transpired when I disagreed with him. There are only two ways to stop that kind of argument. One person has to shutup or else agree with the other person. Sometimes that does not happen because you are not going to agree with someone whom you think is totally wrong, and it hard to shut up when they are in your face. Also, silence sometimes is taken as agreement or compromise or dismissal or disrespect. An argument continues because both sides want to convince themselves and the other person that they are right. An argument ends either when they both decide that there will never be a common ground, or when they finally agree enough to call a friendly truce. What some people call an argument others call a discussion. I like civil discussions of ideas and opinions. It becomes an argument when it degrades to name calling and insults and anger. JB |
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Behind every corner, Abracadabra sees the boogey man named Christianity. I don't think so, he just calls it like he sees it. He does make a good point. (Only a non-christian will notice these things.)For Christians, it just comes so natural they are blind to other belief systems present. |
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Behind every corner, Abracadabra sees the boogey man named Christianity. I don't think so, he just calls it like he sees it. He does make a good point. (Only a non-christian will notice these things.)For Christians, it just comes so natural they are blind to other belief systems present. The US has been a mostly Christian country since it's inception. So if the Christians haven't taken your rights, then we aren't going to. In fact, Christians have become more pluralistic, rather than less. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 03/10/08 06:05 PM
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Behind every corner, Abracadabra sees the boogey man named Christianity. I don't think so, he just calls it like he sees it. He does make a good point. (Only a non-christian will notice these things.)For Christians, it just comes so natural they are blind to other belief systems present. The US has been a mostly Christian country since it's inception. So if the Christians haven't taken your rights, then we aren't going to. In fact, Christians have become more pluralistic, rather than less. Not by choice. The pressure to do so is on them very strongly, and it comes from non-Christians. Believe me, it takes guts to go up against the status quo. It is very unpopular. That is why they are beginning to feel it and some feel they are "under attack" In my town, our court house puts a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn every year. That to me, is an endorsement of a single religion. I wonder if they would let me put a pagan symbol up there. Can you imagine? I could probably be the talk of the town if I even objected to their nativity scene. I don't bother. It's hard enough living in this town being a tarot card reader. |
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Not by choice. The pressure to do so is on them very strongly, and it comes from non-Christians. Believe me, it takes guts to go up against the status quo. It is very unpopular. That is why they are beginning to feel it and some feel they are "under attack" That's SO generous of you! I suppose you know the hearts, minds and souls of all Christians? Or just the majority? |
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