Topic: Arguements about beliefs
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Tue 03/11/08 09:20 AM
Spider:

You read so many things into others words that you must live in a reality of your own making. One does not "reject" anything unless it has been perceived that it is being shoved at them.

We seek truth, we don't reject it. If I seek something and someone tries to shove something at me and tell me that it is what I seek, and I have determined that it is not what I seek, then perhaps I can be said to reject it if they keep shoving it at me.

Abra is does not hate Christians. I wish you would get that strait. He rejects only the ones who approach with the attitude that they are right, that they are trying to save him, etc etc. It is an insult to his wise intelligence. It is condescending.

I wish you could see that.

JB

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Tue 03/11/08 09:29 AM
Your posts are so filled with pain.


Correction,... They are painful for you because you dont like the conclusions I come to.

There's no pain at this end, thank you very much. flowerforyou

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Tue 03/11/08 09:32 AM

Spider:

You read so many things into others words that you must live in a reality of your own making. One does not "reject" anything unless it has been perceived that it is being shoved at them.

We seek truth, we don't reject it. If I seek something and someone tries to shove something at me and tell me that it is what I seek, and I have determined that it is not what I seek, then perhaps I can be said to reject it if they keep shoving it at me.

Abra is does not hate Christians. I wish you would get that strait. He rejects only the ones who approach with the attitude that they are right, that they are trying to save him, etc etc. It is an insult to his wise intelligence. It is condescending.

I wish you could see that.

JB


If you do not accept a belief in toto, then you reject the belief in toto. Abra says he was a Christian for 40 years, but isn't any longer. Therefore, he rejects Christianity as a whole. Abra might adopt some Christian beliefs, but he does not (according to him) accept Christianity as the truth. There is NO INSULT intended by that. I'm simply stating the facts of the situation. STOP trying to find reasons to be insulted by what I say, just read what I post.

I was a non-Christian for almost my whole life. I met a little intolerance from Christians, but very little. I KNOW that those who cry foul of how terrible Christians are to them are exaggerating their experiances. It's that simple. I lived in the Bible belt as a non-Christian, so I'm not falling for the "Christians are so intolerant" belief. There is a little bit out there, but it's far more likely to meet tolerant, nice Christians.

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Tue 03/11/08 09:37 AM
The US has been a mostly Christian country since it's inception. So if the Christians haven't taken your rights, then we aren't going to. In fact, Christians have become more pluralistic, rather than less.


our history tells a different tale..

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Tue 03/11/08 10:37 AM




If you do not accept a belief in toto, then you reject the belief in toto. Abra says he was a Christian for 40 years, but isn't any longer. Therefore, he rejects Christianity as a whole. Abra might adopt some Christian beliefs, but he does not (according to him) accept Christianity as the truth. There is NO INSULT intended by that. I'm simply stating the facts of the situation. STOP trying to find reasons to be insulted by what I say, just read what I post.

I was a non-Christian for almost my whole life. I met a little intolerance from Christians, but very little. I KNOW that those who cry foul of how terrible Christians are to them are exaggerating their experiances. It's that simple. I lived in the Bible belt as a non-Christian, so I'm not falling for the "Christians are so intolerant" belief. There is a little bit out there, but it's far more likely to meet tolerant, nice Christians.


The Christians who do continue to push their beliefs on others are FEW! BUT those few can stand out as rather pushy.

Many others just "expect" you to have them, and seemed a bit shocked if you don't.

If you and others KNOW that a person has rejected Christianity and yet you continue to quote scripture at them, or continue to speak to them as if they are poor lost souls in need of being saved ~~ then you are STILL shoving it at them and they have to continue to reject it.

A person should only have to reject Christianity ONE TIME. A person should not have to continue to "reject it" and only does so when he or she finds it being shoved at him continually.

JB

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Tue 03/11/08 10:49 AM
This is truly my honest take on this subject once again.

I say believe whatever gets you through the day....But anyone calls my God a myth, or his Son or the Bible a myth then you will get a fight from me each and every time....Because as I believe that anyone can believe as they wish...So can I. And once again this is not to say the either Father God or Jesus Christ need me to stick up for them....they don't....because as usual I am sure I will get a comment about this. But it's in my "being" to do so. As my pastor says I am a pitbull when it comes to The Father, The Son, The Bible.......

Thats my story.....always has been, and always will stick to it.


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Tue 03/11/08 10:50 AM

Your posts are so filled with pain.


Correction,... They are painful for you because you dont like the conclusions I come to.

There's no pain at this end, thank you very much. flowerforyou


Well other posts have said otherwise........but hey if you want to change your stories from one post to another who I am to say otherwise.

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Tue 03/11/08 11:02 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 03/11/08 11:09 AM

This is truly my honest take on this subject once again.

I say believe whatever gets you through the day....But anyone calls my God a myth, or his Son or the Bible a myth then you will get a fight from me each and every time....Because as I believe that anyone can believe as they wish...So can I. And once again this is not to say the either Father God or Jesus Christ need me to stick up for them....they don't....because as usual I am sure I will get a comment about this. But it's in my "being" to do so. As my pastor says I am a pitbull when it comes to The Father, The Son, The Bible.......

Thats my story.....always has been, and always will stick to it.





That is very nice of you. But how many people actually come up to you and directly speak to you about how your god is a myth? Has anyone knocked on your door lately with pamphlets telling you that the Bible and its teachings are a myth and not to be concerned with the end of the world rumor they are spreading? I doubt it. I get knocks on my door all the time from Mormans, Jehovah witnesses, and the church lady from next door "inviting" me to their church.

I have heard about Christianity, its hard to miss, I don't need it brought to my door.

One question for you. Its about your Icon picture. Is showing a woman's butt typical of a church going God fearing Christian? And icons of the past, the sexy lips... mmmmm. It just does not project a relgious theme. Just wondering who you are trying to seduce.


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Tue 03/11/08 11:28 AM
here again a thread saying we should all have the right to our beliefs is turning into an arguement. Non chrsitians are just as guilty of this as chrisitans

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Tue 03/11/08 11:38 AM

Well other posts have said otherwise........but hey if you want to change your stories from one post to another who I am to say otherwise.


I don’t make up stories to need to change them. If you think there’s a conflict in something I’ve said just ask for clarification and I’ll be glad to clarify it for you. flowerforyou


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Tue 03/11/08 11:39 AM


This is truly my honest take on this subject once again.

I say believe whatever gets you through the day....But anyone calls my God a myth, or his Son or the Bible a myth then you will get a fight from me each and every time....Because as I believe that anyone can believe as they wish...So can I. And once again this is not to say the either Father God or Jesus Christ need me to stick up for them....they don't....because as usual I am sure I will get a comment about this. But it's in my "being" to do so. As my pastor says I am a pitbull when it comes to The Father, The Son, The Bible.......

Thats my story.....always has been, and always will stick to it.





That is very nice of you. But how many people actually come up to you and directly speak to you about how your god is a myth? Has anyone knocked on your door lately with pamphlets telling you that the Bible and its teachings are a myth and not to be concerned with the end of the world rumor they are spreading? I doubt it. I get knocks on my door all the time from Mormans, Jehovah witnesses, and the church lady from next door "inviting" me to their church.

I have heard about Christianity, its hard to miss, I don't need it brought to my door.

One question for you. Its about your Icon picture. Is showing a woman's butt typical of a church going God fearing Christian? And icons of the past, the sexy lips... mmmmm. It just does not project a relgious theme. Just wondering who you are trying to seduce.




Actually alot of them come to my door also....That is how I ended up studying with and learning about alot of different religions....including Jehovah Witnesses. Who now are very good friends of mine. And no quit frankly the only people I have say that God, Jesus and the Bible are a myth are the athiests and the panthiests.....And if your not cordial to these peeps and have the same attitude you seem to have hear...I honestly feel sorry for you...Because if you can't handle others and them bringing to you...and just nicely decline or say you believe in something else....well that seems to be an issue within yourself.....

And except for the church lady next door....Christians don't have to go door to door as the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons do....because we know that getting to heaven is not through works......It's only through grace.

And as far as my pic.....you know it's a perfect example of putting us in a box...There is nothing wrong with that pic in the least...I am a 48 year old woman...and believe it or not I am also a sexual being......OMG no way.....(Christians are not allowed) And once again...hmmmmmm who is judging who..........I would suggest a look in the mirror before you cast that stone. And trying to seduce...OMG give me a break and get your mind out of the gutter.

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Tue 03/11/08 11:45 AM
....because we know that getting to heaven is not through works......It's only through grace.


If you sincerely believe that then you know that eveyrone has already been saved automatically. flowerforyou

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Tue 03/11/08 11:58 AM
personally non of them can beat Church Lady. She did such a great interview with Jimmy Swagart and Mr. Baker. She will let you know when she turns to you and says "Could it be SATAN" And who can dance like church lady? Now that is a dance straight from heaven.. So my vote is Church Ladies Religion. No argueing about that!!! noway laugh drinker flowerforyou

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Tue 03/11/08 12:08 PM

here again a thread saying we should all have the right to our beliefs is turning into an arguement. Non chrsitians are just as guilty of this as chrisitans


I agree 100% and I really want people to believe what they want....but it never fails that when I post it...it gets turned around to fit someones agenda......hmmmmm go figure.

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Tue 03/11/08 12:41 PM

here again a thread saying we should all have the right to our beliefs is turning into an arguement. Non chrsitians are just as guilty of this as chrisitans



You view everything as an argument. A discussion is not an argument. If we do not discuss our points of view and ask questions, then what is the whole point of a forum?


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Tue 03/11/08 12:47 PM



This is truly my honest take on this subject once again.

I say believe whatever gets you through the day....But anyone calls my God a myth, or his Son or the Bible a myth then you will get a fight from me each and every time....Because as I believe that anyone can believe as they wish...So can I. And once again this is not to say the either Father God or Jesus Christ need me to stick up for them....they don't....because as usual I am sure I will get a comment about this. But it's in my "being" to do so. As my pastor says I am a pitbull when it comes to The Father, The Son, The Bible.......

Thats my story.....always has been, and always will stick to it.





That is very nice of you. But how many people actually come up to you and directly speak to you about how your god is a myth? Has anyone knocked on your door lately with pamphlets telling you that the Bible and its teachings are a myth and not to be concerned with the end of the world rumor they are spreading? I doubt it. I get knocks on my door all the time from Mormans, Jehovah witnesses, and the church lady from next door "inviting" me to their church.

I have heard about Christianity, its hard to miss, I don't need it brought to my door.

One question for you. Its about your Icon picture. Is showing a woman's butt typical of a church going God fearing Christian? And icons of the past, the sexy lips... mmmmm. It just does not project a relgious theme. Just wondering who you are trying to seduce.




Actually alot of them come to my door also....That is how I ended up studying with and learning about alot of different religions....including Jehovah Witnesses. Who now are very good friends of mine. And no quit frankly the only people I have say that God, Jesus and the Bible are a myth are the athiests and the panthiests.....And if your not cordial to these peeps and have the same attitude you seem to have hear...I honestly feel sorry for you...Because if you can't handle others and them bringing to you...and just nicely decline or say you believe in something else....well that seems to be an issue within yourself.....

And except for the church lady next door....Christians don't have to go door to door as the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons do....because we know that getting to heaven is not through works......It's only through grace.

And as far as my pic.....you know it's a perfect example of putting us in a box...There is nothing wrong with that pic in the least...I am a 48 year old woman...and believe it or not I am also a sexual being......OMG no way.....(Christians are not allowed) And once again...hmmmmmm who is judging who..........I would suggest a look in the mirror before you cast that stone. And trying to seduce...OMG give me a break and get your mind out of the gutter.



My question was not how many Jehovah's witnesses or Mormons or other Christians came to you door. We all get those.

My questions specifically, how many atheists or pantheist do you see at your door with pamphlets? I have never seen any.

And yes I have an opinion and question you by how you express yourself in your icon picture. (We are all "sexual beings." )

But I don't think you would show your ass to your church congregation, so why show a picture as your icon that is doing it. I still wonder what you are trying to express or project and who you are trying to seduce. If you don't want to tell me that is your choice.

JB

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Tue 03/11/08 12:53 PM

You view everything as an argument. A discussion is not an argument. If we do not discuss our points of view and ask questions, then what is the whole point of a forum?


This is so very true. Everyone views things differntly. Some people enjoy discussing things, and some people don't.

Imagine a world where eveyrone agree with other on every single thing. Pretty soon everyone would just be sitting around in complete silence. After all, what's the point in talking with people if all they are going to do is nod in agreement? No one ever has a differnet opinion.

Wouldn't that be like everyone being the same person?

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Tue 03/11/08 12:58 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 03/11/08 12:59 PM
And if your not cordial to these peeps and have the same attitude you seem to have hear...I honestly feel sorry for you...Because if you can't handle others and them bringing to you...and just nicely decline or say you believe in something else....well that seems to be an issue within yourself.....


I usually am cordial, but I have discovered the nicer I am to them them more often they come back and disturb me while I am working. Even if you have a "no solicitors" sign on your door. They don't think they are solicitors, so that does not work.

I feel sorry for them that they have to do those things to be accepted by their church or to gain rank with their peers.

Now I put a pentacle on my door. It keeps them away for some reason. flowerforyou

But my point is, I have never had a atheist come to my door with pamphlets. Or a Buddhist, or a Yogi, or a Pantheist, or a Pagan. Never.

JB



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Tue 03/11/08 01:08 PM


You view everything as an argument. A discussion is not an argument. If we do not discuss our points of view and ask questions, then what is the whole point of a forum?


This is so very true. Everyone views things differntly. Some people enjoy discussing things, and some people don't.

Imagine a world where eveyrone agree with other on every single thing. Pretty soon everyone would just be sitting around in complete silence. After all, what's the point in talking with people if all they are going to do is nod in agreement? No one ever has a differnet opinion.

Wouldn't that be like everyone being the same person?



laugh laugh

That brings to mind my X-husband who felt that anytime I disagreed with him ... that was an argument.

He ranted constantly that he hated arguments.
What he really hated was that I disagreed with him.

I finally told him that he could end all the agruments if he really hated them that much.

He said How?

I said
"Just agree with everything I say and answer: Yes, dear, you are absolutely right."

He could never bring himself to do that. laugh laugh bigsmile

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Tue 03/11/08 01:10 PM

....because we know that getting to heaven is not through works......It's only through grace.


If you sincerely believe that then you know that eveyrone has already been saved automatically. flowerforyou



No abra because you don't believe in the grace of Jesus Christ...because to you he is a myth.......