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Topic: The Trinity
Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 03/06/08 03:44 PM
Yahweh is Elohim. Yahshua was born of the Holy Spirit. The Disciples was given the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. A loud rushing wind, Cloven Tongues of Fire.

Where is this 3rd person of the Trinity? Shalom....Miles

USAF5285's photo
Thu 03/06/08 04:11 PM
well throughout the bible God appears in many forms. . . ie burning pillar or cloud across the desert, "burning bush", so God "everywhere", God Yeshua, and any other form could be argued as the "holy spirit", but does it really matter when it is the same one true God however He chooses to reveal himself?

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 03/06/08 06:08 PM
The 3 in one doctrine is a projection of the christian faith. So I would like to know more about why they believe this 3rd person. The Father and son are i hope is a given. The Holy Spirit though is a mystery to what it really is...Blessings...Miles

Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 03/07/08 09:40 AM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Fri 03/07/08 09:41 AM
Here is a doctrine most swear by yet they will not say why they believe it. What are u going to do when tribulation comes. Are you really going to stand boldly and confess Messiah Yahshua? I doubt it when you do not even know what you worship..Shalom...Miles

Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 03/07/08 10:19 AM
Can you blaspheme Yahshua and be forgiven?


Can you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven? Does that meke for a Trinity.. Blessings....miles

Donnar's photo
Fri 03/07/08 08:12 PM

Yahweh is Elohim. Yahshua was born of the Holy Spirit. The Disciples was given the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. A loud rushing wind, Cloven Tongues of Fire.

Where is this 3rd person of the Trinity? Shalom....Miles


you yourself named them, God the father-Yahweh; God the Son-Jesus and God the Holy Spirit. Those are the Trinity

Donnar's photo
Fri 03/07/08 08:23 PM

Here is a doctrine most swear by yet they will not say why they believe it. What are u going to do when tribulation comes. Are you really going to stand boldly and confess Messiah Yahshua? I doubt it when you do not even know what you worship..Shalom...Miles


Absolutely!! Jesus Christ is the Messiah. That's what I know and I'm sticking to it!

Donnar's photo
Fri 03/07/08 09:10 PM

The 3 in one doctrine is a projection of the christian faith. So I would like to know more about why they believe this 3rd person. The Father and son are i hope is a given. The Holy Spirit though is a mystery to what it really is...Blessings...Miles


The New Testament Acts 2,17 Peter at Pentecost

"it will come to pass in the last days 'God says 'that I will pour out a portion of my spirit upon all flesh.
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your young men shall see visions,
your old men shall dream dreams.
Indeed, upon my servants and my handmaids
I will pour out a portion of my spirit in those days, and they shall prophesy.
And I will work wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below;
blood, fire and a cloud of smoke.
The sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood,
before the coming of the great and splendid day of the Lord,
and it shall be that everyone shall be saved who calls on the name of the Lord.
You who are Israelites, hear these words. Jesus, the Nazoreon was a man commended to you by God with mighty deeds, wonders, and signs, which God worked through him in your midst, as you yourselves know. This man, delivered up by the set plan and foreknowledge of God, you killed, using lawless men to crucify him. But God raised him up, releasing him from the throes of death, because it was impossible for him to be held by it. For David says of him:
I saw the Lord before me,
with him at my right hand I shall not be disturbed.
Therefore my heart has been glad and my tongue has exulted;
my flesh too, will dwell in hope,
because you will not abandon my soul to the nether world,
nor will you suffer your holy one to see corruption.
You have made know to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.
My brothers, one can confidently say to you about the patriarch David that he died and was buried, and his tomb is in our midst to this day.
But since he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants upon his throne, he foresaw and spoke of the ressurectionof the Messiah,
that neither was he abandoned to the netherworld nor did his flesh see corruption.
God raised this Jesus; of this we are all witness. Exalted at the right hand of the Father and poured it forth as you both see and hear. For David did not go up into heaven, but, he himself said:
'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand antil I make your enemies your footstool.'
Therefore let the whole house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom you crucify"
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and they asked Peter and the other apostles, "what are we to do, my brothers?"
Peter said to them "Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call."
He testified with many other arguments and was exhorting them,
"Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." Those who accepted his message were baptised and about three thousand persons were added that day.

I hope that helped.
The holy Spirit gives courage to the faithful, who when persecuted for their faith, continue to give them the boldness to continue to speak to and teach the faithful, baptising them and spreading the faith of the Holy Spirit.

There is so much more, but, this is too long, I know. Hard to know where to stop. flowerforyou Peace and blessings to you all.

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Sat 03/08/08 12:05 AM
the point is that the holy spirit is a gift from God, part of His spirit, not an entity in itself that people pray to. . . God and His Son. . . . thats it. . . how is the spirit that comes from God to be considered its own identity. . .

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 03/08/08 12:20 AM
Thanks I agree.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles

wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 01:56 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sat 03/08/08 02:01 AM

Yahweh is Elohim. Yahshua was born of the Holy Spirit. The Disciples was given the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. A loud rushing wind, Cloven Tongues of Fire.

Where is this 3rd person of the Trinity? Shalom....Miles



Jesus is JHWH

You have already ignored the substantiation in Exodus 3:14 and you have already ignored the references to John 8:58

Since you insist on asking the same questions over and over without accepting Bibnlical passages that display this concept to you clearly and succinctly, I can only surmise that you are seeking scholarly answers from unscholarly sources or that youare engendering your false teachings on any who would ask you for that answer.

Let's face it, Miles. This thread is all about Miles spouting his own ideas cloaked in scholarly and enlightened discourse, while refusing the very words of the very source for this creative license of yours to make a new religion following Milesoftheusa.

I posted this to save you the trouble of ignoring that which has already been showed you in the hopes that others might interest themselves in your masks.

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Sat 03/08/08 02:20 AM
I qam not even going to waist my time on posting scripture for this. Yes Yahshua was I am in the old.And in John he told the sadhedrin this.

You refuse to believe when it says no one has seen Yahweh. How can this be. They saw yahweh many times. Yahshua comes in his fathers name and athority. He was Yahweh in the OT. Doing what he was told. You refuse to see that Yahshua made a big point that he was not the father. He kept saying he does his fathers will. And that he could do nothing without the father. You are refusing to believe Yahweh has a son. The Holy Spirit is the power of Yahweh. This is the power Yahshua had. He died and sent that powerr to us. But it is the Power of Yahweh.. You go off saying I am saying falsehoods and this is all about Miles. No this is about what the bible really says and none of you have done so. So you get angry. just like the pharasees did with yahshua as they tried to trick him and it backfired. Ask Yahweh he will tell you. He keeps his promices...Shalom...Miles

wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 02:53 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sat 03/08/08 02:57 AM
No one has seen the Father except for seeing the Father in the Son, Jesus (JHWH).

And we have showed you numerous times where to look and you ignore it and continue to spout your Jewish disinformation and cloak your Zionism in another brand

Must I be so blunt?????????

By virtue of your ignorance, you are being anti-christ.

Quite simply put, that is what you are teaching, Miles.

it is called pseudo-christianity.

it is a spirit, Miles. Not just a person.

AND IT IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT IS DECEIVING YOU!!!!!

You don't even know the Holy Spirit. You can't blaspheme that which you do not know. If you knew him, you would know me!!!and if you knew Him you would not blaspheme Him!!!!

And you would know better than to twist the scriptures and make them say the things that you wish them to say and not say what they say, lest you be found wanting.

You want too much and steal the gift without the gift.

The Lord rebuke you.


Man cannot.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 03/08/08 07:52 AM
nothing that i have posted you have been able to refute. You do as satans ministers of light do and twist the scriptures and use very few to back yourself up. You worship what is not. May Yahweh Have Mercy...Miles

wouldee's photo
Sat 03/08/08 11:35 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sat 03/08/08 11:44 AM

nothing that i have posted you have been able to refute. You do as satans ministers of light do and twist the scriptures and use very few to back yourself up. You worship what is not. May Yahweh Have Mercy...Miles


everything you say is refuted by the Bible when you attribute your understanding to being disengenous of the very God depicted within it without substantiating your believe within also.

The passages in the Bible that expose your false God do refute you.

The quotes your offer without your commentary speak the truth.

You aren'e saying them, you are cloaking your errors in them.

The Bible doesn't refute the words within it because you apply them in defeence of your erroneous judgements upon others.

The Bible reutes your words that attempt to redefine your God as the God of the Bible.

Borrowing from this book to suggest your own view of things is foolish. Stick to whats there or quit attempting to use it to justify yourself.

The Bible is not a toy to play with and mock God. You are mocking God in the judging of others that you don't agree with.

You don't have to agree with me either, Miles.

Nor do you need to call anyone that doesn't accept your delusions a minion of Satan.

You just need to recognize that you are reading the words of thwe God of these things contained herein and that that God is Jesus, who was known to the Jews before his appearance in the form of a man as JHWH, or YHWH or as you now adhere to as preffered to the Jews, HASHEM.

They are both one and the same....all four of them if you choose to be entertained by how many name refer to just one GOD!!

They are severally one person, the "I AM".

They are the Living Word and the Only Living Word that speaks for the Father which has never been seen, which is,BTW, the dsame person in manifestation to man.


By attemting to refuse what scripture says about Jesus and denying his Divinity, YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO IGNORE HIS WORDS AND HIS COVENANT WITH YOU.

Yet you twist scripture so that you too can be hHis equal without being His and worshipping His truth and His call.

You believe Him to be a mere prophet, a mere mortal like you that can overcome the law and slay its charge over Israel.

But you have not done so. You spout that you are Jesus' equal, the He is not God, that you have the Holy Spirit(which testifies of the Son and that He is God as well), and that the law is still in effect, and that you are not over its bondages,
and that the whole Christian world and history that stands in direct opposition of your interpretation is Satan.

Yet you insist on quoting it(the Holy Bible)as though you know better than the others what it says.

JHWH is Jesus and Jesus is JHWH and everything you say is contrary to that.

Quoting anything in your delusion doesn't prove you, it disproves you.


You are in the wilderness and unaccompanied but for you and the "Yahwists" that have created your own religion.

You are a small group of foolish and unlearned and uninvited and self righteous self serving delusionals playing on the freeway like children with no sense of the dangers.

You neither have the Holy Spirit in your midst, nor do you represent the God of the Bible being depicted.

You represent your delusions and they testify to the world of your delusions which have deceived you and at the same time defended scripture at least to show that you are not following the Way, the Truth or the Life of Christ and his true Church.


That makes you wear the synagogue of Satan label.

You , Miles, are the Pharisee.

You , Miles, are anti-christ.


Your presence here is an apt reminder to the sincere believer of the sublteties of the lie.

You are strengthening the resolve of many by the lesson of you that the ills warned against has a face that disguises itselfd.


The brand of the day is the "Yahwist" delusion.


The blind leading the blind, Miles.


Many have tried this before and failed.

The world is now too small a place for your ill will to prosper.

Surrender it before it vanquishes you completely and utterly destroys you.

Jesus said Himself, that false Christ like you are suited for the outer darkness where God does not dwell.

Where is there place for that where God ois not already?

He is everywhere and everywhere He is not does not exist.

Matthew 25:40-46, can't minister to Christ while deceiving those those that he is calling to. The prisoners and the naked and the thirsty and the sick and the stranger among us that are not being blessed by us are being cursed by us, Miles. And Christ says that they are him.

He said it another way in Matthew 7:22-23.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name ?
and in thy name cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity."


REPENT, Miles.







You could get hit by a car today and die an untimely death in your lies that prevent your rest.

You have been warned. My duty is fulfilled in showing you my love. I am free of your demise, YOU are not.

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Sat 03/08/08 11:57 AM
This third person of the Trinity results as an expression of love between the Father and the Son.
In simple words it's the living energy which allows us to keep on going in our journey to the Father through the only path which is His Son our Lord JesusChrist.

Britty's photo
Sat 03/08/08 12:48 PM
All three are mentioned in the first post:
Yahweh (God the Father is Elohim) Yahshua (Jesus) was born of the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I believe all three are One God.


I believe the Holy Spirit empowers ordinary people,
With gifts, wisdom to perform specific ministries in
God’s name. Examples from the Bible:

Joseph - interpreted dreams - (Genesis 41:38)
Bezalel - skills to construct Tabernacle - (Exodus 31:3)
Moses - taught people as God's prophets (Numbers 11:16-29)
Balaam - foretold future blessings (Numbers 24:2-9)
Joshua - wisdom - Israel's leader (Deuteronomy 34:9 - Joshua 1:1-2)
Othniel - reformed Israel - (Judges 3:9,10)
Gideon - lead Israel - (Judges 6:34)
Jephthah - wisdom in battle - (Judges 11:29)
Samson - physical strength (Judges, chapters 13, 14, 15)
Saul - wise decisions to lead Israel (I Samuel 10:6-10, 11:6, 16:14, 19:23)
David - King of Israel (I Samuel 16:13)
Amasai - enlightened to serve David the King (I Chronicles 12:18)
Azariah - preached God's warning (II Chronicles 15:1)
Jahaziel - prophesied (II Chronicles 20:14)
Zechariah - pronounced God's judgments (II Chronicles 24:20)

Who the Holy Spirit is and What He does:

"And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" Romans 1:4 (KJV)

"And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, and might; the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord." Isaiah 11:2 (TLB)

"For the power of the life-giving Spirit--and this power is mine through Christ Jesus--has freed me from the vicious circle of sin and death." Romans 8:2 (TLB)

"And because of what Christ did, all you others too, who heard the Good News about how to be saved, and trusted Christ, were marked as belonging to Christ by the Holy Spirit, who long ago had been promised to all of us Christians." Ephesians 1:13 (TLB)

"Don't cause the Holy Spirit sorrow by the way you live. Remember, he is the one who marks you to be present on that day when salvation from sin will be complete." Ephesians 4:30 (TLB)

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35 (KJV)

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" John 15:26 (KJV)

"Then I will pour out the Spirit of grace and prayer on all the people of Jerusalem. They will look on him they pierced, and mourn for him as for an only son, and grieve bitterly for him as for an oldest child who died." Zechariah 12:10 (TLB)

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Genesis 1:2 (KJV)

Genesis 1.26 God said, “Let us make man in our image”

John 1:1,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..."


Peace.
:heart:

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Sat 03/08/08 12:58 PM
How do you explain Satan even saying such a thing if 3 are 1?

Matt 4:8-10

8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me."

10 Then Yahshua said to him, "Away with you, Satan ! For it is written, 'You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him only you shall serve.'"
NKJV
Then why would Yahshua respond the way he did?

Blessings...Miles

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Sat 03/08/08 01:00 PM


Why not, the devil knew who he was.

:heart:

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Sat 03/08/08 01:05 PM
The Devil Would Tell The Creator of all things if he would bow down to him he would give him less than ha has. Then Satan Would rise above the Heavens.. Think about what is being said thier closely. Try relating that to you and your children you being the boss Blessings..miles

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