Topic: Regime change
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Wed 03/05/08 09:42 AM


During McCains speech last night, as he read his expert prepared speech, his high point of the speech for the crowd was regime change from Saddam's regime. You say so what, right, nothing new, right?

The international lawyers stated that if we went to Iraq for regime change then we are quilty of war crimes against Iraq. Hope he and his supporters realize this very valid important fact.
:heart: :heart: :heart: Dragoness:heart: :heart: :heart:


Cindy's at it again...
laugh laugh laugh laugh"The international lawyers stated that if we went to Iraq for regime change then we are quilty of war crimes against Iraq."laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Wed 03/05/08 09:43 AM

You'll like this Dragon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

2 min!!


Fantaflowerforyou my computer will not play videos, I still can't figure out why not, so I cannot watch it, sorryflowerforyou

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Wed 03/05/08 09:44 AM



Who are you fighting? Where is the other army? Terrorists are civilians...are you shooting at civilians? How can you tell which ones are terrorist? Do they wear brightly colored turbans on their heads for easy identification???


answering your questions in the order you asked.

terrorist
iraq among other places
trick question, but yeah they are civilians, with guns and other such things, have i shot at them or worse, hell yeah.

they carry guns, and for the most part yeah they wear identifiable clothing, they want the real civilians to know who they are(wouldnt expect you to know that tho from where you are)
Im not indiscriminately going around killing anybody, but thanks for the questions always like to educate when i can.


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.

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Wed 03/05/08 09:47 AM




Who are you fighting? Where is the other army? Terrorists are civilians...are you shooting at civilians? How can you tell which ones are terrorist? Do they wear brightly colored turbans on their heads for easy identification???


answering your questions in the order you asked.

terrorist
iraq among other places
trick question, but yeah they are civilians, with guns and other such things, have i shot at them or worse, hell yeah.

they carry guns, and for the most part yeah they wear identifiable clothing, they want the real civilians to know who they are(wouldnt expect you to know that tho from where you are)
Im not indiscriminately going around killing anybody, but thanks for the questions always like to educate when i can.


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


Collateral damage is the name for that and they consider the cause worth the collateral damagenoway

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Wed 03/05/08 09:49 AM
well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians


just wondering, since your so concerned, how many terrorist forums your on criticizing them for dressing up as civilians and not complying with the Geneva Convention..

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Wed 03/05/08 09:51 AM



This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals.noway huh

Hey, as horrible as it sounds, we are the most powerful nation in the world, it would take the combined might of every other nation to take us in... If our leaders decided we should commit a few war crimes, hey I don't agree, but I'm not the one in charge.


Well, now you know why Im afraid of Americans...excuse me but if you are an American citizen YOU are in charge and responsible for holding your "elected" officials accountable for their actions, especially if you dont agree...apathy is leading America down the path to ruin..
your jobs exported to foreign countries for the benefit of big business, no big deal,
your way of life (middle class getting squeezed out of existence) that everyone covets..slowly dissapearing...no one takes any action..
agressive measures taken against other countries (my opinion not withstanding)politicans suddenly loose their spines (Im talking about Dems backtracking now that they hold the majority in congress) and yet STILL no action from the American people...
For pity sakes, what does it take to get your guys off your butts and DO something??????
noway



HEY!! We are too busy watching all the sports programs that takes our minds off what they(Zionists) are doing to us , and it lulls us to sleep , so that they can keep screwing us over, while taking more of our rights away,and telling us, it is for our own good they are doing that to us.. Yes ,we are getting spineless and nothing seems to p-ss us off anymore. Also, you are right ,we do not hold these crooks accountable at all, maybe it is because we have lost our morals and are getting to be just like them.

Turn on the ball game and get me another beer, I am spineless and don't want to face any reality, let somebody else worry about my problems, let the Zionists take overdrinker drinker drinker laugh laugh laugh laugh :wink: :wink: bigsmile bigsmile

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Wed 03/05/08 09:52 AM
Edited by armydoc4u on Wed 03/05/08 10:11 AM


Im not Amercian..honey...I live in a country that is directly affected by American politics, the more screwed up you guys get the worse it gets here....Im one of the ones clamoring for National independence and to put a stop to catering to foreign interests like whores. Our politicians are pimps and Im on the side that keeps trying to get rid of them...like pulling weeds. But worth the effort. I hope to be alive the day the last McDonalds in Argentina is burned to the ground.


I know your not an American honey. can we have some of this back please.

The Department of Defense has announced plans to move more than 152 tons ofmixed medical and dental supplies and equipment to help the people of theArgentina. The supplies -- enough to fill eight 40-foot trailers -- will besurface shipped from the Defense Logistics Agency Depot in Mechanicsburg, Pa.to the Argentine city of Buenos Aires for distribution through the AmericanEmbassy.

or this;
Argentina, submerged in its worst political, economic, and institutional crisis in recent history, is seeking $25 billion in financial assistance from the United States and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to address the crisis. 1 Argentina's situation has deteriorated rapidly; people are rioting and attacking politicians in the streets, looting supermarkets and stores, and withdrawing money from banks to buy U.S. dollars. They clearly have lost confidence in their institutions and leaders.

or maybe this;
To compensate for the reduction of social public spending in Argentina, the best the World Bank could do was to disburse $328 million to the Argentine health care, housing and other social sectors from 1985 to 1990, just 15 percent of total outlays to the country for that period. The International Monetary Fund doesn't even extend such loans to the "social sectors," preferring instead to remain institutionally blind to the poverty it helps create and sustain.

oh theres more where that camr from, dont mind taking our money but we scare you?Give me a break, go eat a cheese burger or something.

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Wed 03/05/08 09:53 AM




Who are you fighting? Where is the other army? Terrorists are civilians...are you shooting at civilians? How can you tell which ones are terrorist? Do they wear brightly colored turbans on their heads for easy identification???


answering your questions in the order you asked.

terrorist
iraq among other places
trick question, but yeah they are civilians, with guns and other such things, have i shot at them or worse, hell yeah.

they carry guns, and for the most part yeah they wear identifiable clothing, they want the real civilians to know who they are(wouldnt expect you to know that tho from where you are)
Im not indiscriminately going around killing anybody, but thanks for the questions always like to educate when i can.


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


cool, so now I am a terrorist, wonderful to know, think I have a machete laying around somewhere.

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Wed 03/05/08 09:55 AM





Who are you fighting? Where is the other army? Terrorists are civilians...are you shooting at civilians? How can you tell which ones are terrorist? Do they wear brightly colored turbans on their heads for easy identification???


answering your questions in the order you asked.

terrorist
iraq among other places
trick question, but yeah they are civilians, with guns and other such things, have i shot at them or worse, hell yeah.

they carry guns, and for the most part yeah they wear identifiable clothing, they want the real civilians to know who they are(wouldnt expect you to know that tho from where you are)
Im not indiscriminately going around killing anybody, but thanks for the questions always like to educate when i can.


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


Collateral damage is the name for that and they consider the cause worth the collateral damagenoway



yeah yeah yeah. I fight for you too, your 'right' to be a misinformed person spreading gossip lies and deceit, but its ok. really i dont mind, Im a barbarian terrorist from texas.

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Wed 03/05/08 09:58 AM
well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


this is one of the most disturbing posts I think I have read...attempting to play with minds using guilt as a tool is disgusting...I don't believe you have ever worked with vets since you only have contempt for them...not compassion..:angry:

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Wed 03/05/08 10:01 AM






Who are you fighting? Where is the other army? Terrorists are civilians...are you shooting at civilians? How can you tell which ones are terrorist? Do they wear brightly colored turbans on their heads for easy identification???


answering your questions in the order you asked.

terrorist
iraq among other places
trick question, but yeah they are civilians, with guns and other such things, have i shot at them or worse, hell yeah.

they carry guns, and for the most part yeah they wear identifiable clothing, they want the real civilians to know who they are(wouldnt expect you to know that tho from where you are)
Im not indiscriminately going around killing anybody, but thanks for the questions always like to educate when i can.


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


Collateral damage is the name for that and they consider the cause worth the collateral damagenoway



yeah yeah yeah. I fight for you too, your 'right' to be a misinformed person spreading gossip lies and deceit, but its ok. really i dont mind, Im a barbarian terrorist from texas.


Soldiers are victims of this sick agenda of our illustrious leader too. So it is not their fault they were sent to a country that did not do 9/11 nor have anything to do with 9/11 and is not accomplishing the objective which wasn't a feasible objective from get. Not your fault. No blame from me on that one. Soldiers do what they are told with no questioning allowed.

So do not feel I am attacking you personally ever for being a soldier. That would not be accurate at all.

I will always be honored and proud of the soldiers of our country for putting their lives on the line for this country every day.flowerforyou

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Wed 03/05/08 10:04 AM

This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals.noway huh


Oh, someday we might realize ,when someone(Russia and China) calls us to account for our WAR CRIMES, and if we are a survivor and start looking at the ruble around us like they do in Iraq? Then we will say: GOSH,I wonder why they did this to us?? Well,It was because we did not hold our WARMONGERS in check??:wink: :wink: noway noway

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Wed 03/05/08 10:08 AM

Soldiers are victims of this sick agenda of our illustrious leader too. So it is not their fault they were sent to a country that did not do 9/11 nor have anything to do with 9/11 and is not accomplishing the objective which wasn't a feasible objective from get. Not your fault. No blame from me on that one. Soldiers do what they are told with no questioning allowed.

So do not feel I am attacking you personally ever for being a soldier. That would not be accurate at all.

I will always be honored and proud of the soldiers of our country for putting their lives on the line for this country every day.flowerforyou


I am not a victim of anything, thanks for the flower emocon.

I am happy to get up and put on my uniform everyday, knowing when all is said and done I will have helped those who whether by design or otherwise could not would not help them self, EVEN if they are kicking and screaming and biting at me while I do it.

I dont take you personally, never have never will you dont know me so why would you do that.

what I do take personally is the thought process that leads you to believe that we do no good, in iraq and else where.

Do they want us there, yes they do, more than dont anyway. are we rebuilding it for them, yes we are. are we making a difference despite the claims to the contrary, yes we are.

I like you dragon, your okay, i think you views are a little messed up but hey no ones perfect, not even me, i know i know i know, hard to believe but its true, Im not.

flowerforyou

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Wed 03/05/08 10:11 AM
Edited by symbelmyne on Wed 03/05/08 10:12 AM
The Department of Defense has announced plans to move more than 152 tons ofmixed medical and dental supplies and equipment to help the people of theArgentina. The supplies -- enough to fill eight 40-foot trailers -- will besurface shipped from the Defense Logistics Agency Depot in Mechanicsburg, Pa.to the Argentine city of Buenos Aires for distribution through the AmericanEmbassy.

..News to me...guess the supplies got lost in the mail...

or this;
Argentina, submerged in its worst political, economic, and institutional crisis in recent history, is seeking $25 billion in financial assistance from the United States and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to address the crisis. 1 Argentina's situation has deteriorated rapidly; people are rioting and attacking politicians in the streets, looting supermarkets and stores, and withdrawing money from banks to buy U.S. dollars. They clearly have lost confidence in their institutions and leaders.

..Well, your information while accurate is outdated and if you will read your own post...at least the people that got screwed took action, I doubt very much Americans would have taken the same stance against their crooked politicians...

or maybe this;
To compensate for the reduction of social public spending in Argentina, the best the World Bank could do was to disburse $328 million to the Argentine health care, housing and other social sectors from 1985 to 1990, just 15 percent of total outlays to the country for that period. The International Monetary Fund doesn't even extend such loans to the "social sectors," preferring instead to remain institutionally blind to the poverty it helps create and sustain.

Yup...as I said, pimps for politicians...corruption runs deep. Unlike you I dont deny, I dont excuse and I dont turn my back on holding the thieves accountable....

oh theres more where that came from, dont mind taking our money but we scare you?Give me a break, go eat a cheese burger or something.

dont mind if I do...we have the best beef in the world...do you know anything about the Nixon's Condor plan? Argentina was supposed to feed the US. American intervention opened the door to the 30 year military regieme here that led to the financial crisis you mentioned above. Thanks for the help America!

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Wed 03/05/08 10:15 AM

The Department of Defense has announced plans to move more than 152 tons ofmixed medical and dental supplies and equipment to help the people of theArgentina. The supplies -- enough to fill eight 40-foot trailers -- will besurface shipped from the Defense Logistics Agency Depot in Mechanicsburg, Pa.to the Argentine city of Buenos Aires for distribution through the AmericanEmbassy.

..News to me...guess the supplies got lost in the mail...

or this;
Argentina, submerged in its worst political, economic, and institutional crisis in recent history, is seeking $25 billion in financial assistance from the United States and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to address the crisis. 1 Argentina's situation has deteriorated rapidly; people are rioting and attacking politicians in the streets, looting supermarkets and stores, and withdrawing money from banks to buy U.S. dollars. They clearly have lost confidence in their institutions and leaders.

..Well, your information while accurate is outdated and if you will read your own post...at least the people that got screwed took action, I doubt very much Americans would have taken the same stance against their crooked politicians...

or maybe this;
To compensate for the reduction of social public spending in Argentina, the best the World Bank could do was to disburse $328 million to the Argentine health care, housing and other social sectors from 1985 to 1990, just 15 percent of total outlays to the country for that period. The International Monetary Fund doesn't even extend such loans to the "social sectors," preferring instead to remain institutionally blind to the poverty it helps create and sustain.

Yup...as I said, pimps for politicians...corruption runs deep. Unlike you I dont deny, I dont excuse and I dont turn my back on holding the thieves accountable....

oh theres more where that came from, dont mind taking our money but we scare you?Give me a break, go eat a cheese burger or something.

dont mind if I do...we have the best beef in the world...do you know anything about the Nixon's Condor plan? Argentina was supposed to feed the US. American intervention opened the door to the 30 year military regieme here that led to the financial crisis you mentioned above. Thanks for the help America!



hahahahalaugh laugh laugh yeah no problem, we screwed up your country, priceless, dont take responsibility for anything you are your country men do.

i think i would prefer Texas beef any day, although I hear yours is quite tasty, just dont think I want to suffer the violence for a steak.

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Wed 03/05/08 10:18 AM

well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


this is one of the most disturbing posts I think I have read...attempting to play with minds using guilt as a tool is disgusting...I don't believe you have ever worked with vets since you only have contempt for them...not compassion..:angry:


you dont know $hit about me. I have contempt for politicians that send out young men and women to die without ever getting their hands dirty. I have contempt for people like you that spend more time attacking people like me because its easier than actually getting off your a$$ to make a change in the system. You wait for people like me to do it, take the credit when it goes right and lay the blame on others when it goes wrong....

Im glad you think this post of mine is disturbing...its supposed to be, killing is not glamorous or "rambo-like". Its ugly, leaves lasting scars and should not be swept under the bed like something messy that needed to be done but shouldnt be talked about...

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Wed 03/05/08 10:24 AM


well the truth is you can not be 100% sure that you havent or will not shoot and kill innocent civilians and thats something you are going to have to live with as will your commerads..Ive worked with vietnam vets and saw what having done that did to them..I hope you dont end up like them, and if it doesnt bother you...thats even more frightening.


this is one of the most disturbing posts I think I have read...attempting to play with minds using guilt as a tool is disgusting...I don't believe you have ever worked with vets since you only have contempt for them...not compassion..:angry:


you dont know $hit about me. I have contempt for politicians that send out young men and women to die without ever getting their hands dirty. I have contempt for people like you that spend more time attacking people like me because its easier than actually getting off your a$$ to make a change in the system. You wait for people like me to do it, take the credit when it goes right and lay the blame on others when it goes wrong....

Im glad you think this post of mine is disturbing...its supposed to be, killing is not glamorous or "rambo-like". Its ugly, leaves lasting scars and should not be swept under the bed like something messy that needed to be done but shouldnt be talked about...


I have some scars wanna see them?

its not a glamorous job, absolutely correct.

but I am off my ass, i am doing something that will bring about real change. hell saddams dead now isnt he, theres one change that has happened.

I dont disagree with you on your points of it being dirty nasty back breaking work reviled by many, just on the substance in which you are trying to claim we , THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are the root of everybodies woe's through out the world. take some blame, take some responsibilty, be a leader, stand up and change your country then you will have a leg to stand on when you try and tell me how to change mine.

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Wed 03/05/08 10:24 AM
Dragoness.......

You posted on page 2 that if we look back you "use Bush, baby shrub, great burning bush, etc.... Pet names is all."

Considering your stance, the above doesn't make sense. It was God or the Voice of God in the Burning Bush.


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Wed 03/05/08 10:38 AM
Ok everyone let's all stop with the attacking of others.

We all know better, and the rules are clearly stated in this forum. While it is ok to have a difference of opinion we will not tolerate attacks. I'll be watching as i go edit and delete these posts now....

Scott

Site Mod

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Wed 03/05/08 10:42 AM
Wow, what i have a problem with is people that try and convince you that it would be more humane to pull out of a country that we are currently preventing a huge civil war in. I also have a problem with the opinion that terrorizm will never die (and is worldwide) so we should just give up. Maybe Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but even if it didn't you mentioned that terroizm as worldwide, we are just fighting in another one of it's locations. I have a BIG problem with people telling us at this stage that we are losing. This is not the case nor was it the case in Vietnam. We were actually winning (despite the tree huggers constantly making us give up our ground) until we were ordered to pull out. Another thing i have a problem with, this is another biggie. Civilians trying to give soldiers updates on what is happening on the ground. Civilians, sitting in the comforts of his or her home, and the soldiers that are actually on the ground. I also have a problem with the people that contradict themselves by saying that we messed up by going over to iraq, but won't let us try and fix our mistake. They just want us to leave it a mess as if to complete some type of selffulfilling prophecy of theirs. What people dont realize is the enemy we are fighting isn't dumb. They know our weakness. Just look at vietnam again. The enemy will never beat us on the battlefield. But they can and will try to use propoganda against us. This is their strong suit. That is also our weakness. As for my credibility on this matter i have had LOTS of unique training in the areas of terrorizm when i was in the military. On top of languistics, culture, religion, and guerilla tactics we were taught something about propoganda. And i am telling you all now, again, this is their most powerful weapon. (Maybe this explains why they attack iraq civilians much more often then they attack u.s. troops)