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Topic: Regime change
Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Wed 03/05/08 08:45 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. Please excuse me but after reading so many posts in these forums I have concluded that my initial opinion of you was possibly inaccurate. You should contact CNN, MSNBC, and FOX with this news. It appears to have escaped them. ??????? Sarcasm is confusing sometimes, I guess.

IndianaJoans Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 115	Wed 03/05/08 08:46 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes!

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Wed 03/05/08 08:49 AM
Wait, the UN is to blame, they're the ones that allowed us into Iraq, because the poor Iraqis didn't let inspectors in. So let's go after the UN! Oh wait, almost everyone is in the UN, so in turn, everyone is a war criminal! Calling CNN now.....

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 08:51 AM
Wait, the UN is to blame, they're the ones that allowed us into Iraq, because the poor Iraqis didn't let inspectors in. So let's go after the UN! Oh wait, almost everyone is in the UN, so in turn, everyone is a war criminal! Calling CNN now..... This is not true.

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Wed 03/05/08 08:52 AM
Wait, the UN is to blame, they're the ones that allowed us into Iraq, because the poor Iraqis didn't let inspectors in. So let's go after the UN! Oh wait, almost everyone is in the UN, so in turn, everyone is a war criminal! Calling CNN now..... This is not true. So is almost everything you've said as well. Hello contradiction, I'm reality!

armydoc4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 1153	Wed 03/05/08 08:53 AM Edited by armydoc4u on Wed 03/05/08 08:54 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. we should be considering the worlds counsel..... no i dont think we should. We have seen over and over again the ways of the world and the counsel that advises them into inepthood. the world counselors gave us world war 1 and 2, the french gave us veitnam, and that leaves the mid east for giving us counsel there, in a place where freedom is only granted when you die. No I am not going to listen to the world counsel or their bad flippin advise. To sound mean and arrogant, we lead the world contrary to your desires, and if the world listened more to our counsel "what a wonderful place it would be" as the song goes. Uneducated, unciivil, pretensious and ignorant world of hugging til it hurts. the world of genocide, the world of poverty, the world of the uneducated, the world of unable to feed themselves, the world of unable to fend for themselves. No ma'ma, when the world needs something they come to us, right or wrong that is the way it happens. If the world was so smart they wouldnt require our help. SO ONCE AGAIN, NO MA"AM I WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE COUNSEL OF THE WORLD THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

Foliel Joined Thu 01/10/08 Posts: 1189	Wed 03/05/08 08:55 AM
Even if we stay in Iraq and help them and make sure that terrorists dont move in again, the terrorists will just set up base somewhere else. The war on terror will never end, as long as there is good there will always be evil and vice versa. There will always be terrorists, well almost always, someday the earth will face another mass extinction and terrorism will be the least of our worries.

IndianaJoans Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 115	Wed 03/05/08 08:56 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes! I also believe that Bush has followed his own personal agenda in Iraq dragoness, but to say that WE are guilty of war crimes makes you appear to hate Americans more than hating the current administration. Bush will get his in one way or another when he is out of office just as Castro who is now out of office. Many things will be heard from Cuba about Castro and I hope you will be as outraged about them.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 09:00 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes! People need to realize just because Baby shrub did it. That does not make it right. Just because Saddam was all that he was, had been for many many years, we actually utilized him for excursions in that area as an ally, we still had no right to target him for 9/11. People need to continue to understand that baby shrub has made us into something similar to Saddam. We should not unjustly invade and occupy a sovereign country. I do not agree with how alot of countries do their business and deal with their people but that does not make me right if I lauch all out war on them for regime change. ETC....... People do not want to deal with these facts and we have to learn the lesson that is here to learn. If we do not learn the lesson here then we are doomed to repeat it. I am not anti-soldier, nor necessarily anti-war, I am anti-illegal war and we are currently doing just that.

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Wed 03/05/08 09:03 AM Edited by wiley on Wed 03/05/08 09:04 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes! People need to realize just because Baby shrub did it. That does not make it right. Just because Saddam was all that he was, had been for many many years, we actually utilized him for excursions in that area as an ally, we still had no right to target him for 9/11. People need to continue to understand that baby shrub has made us into something similar to Saddam. We should not unjustly invade and occupy a sovereign country. I do not agree with how alot of countries do their business and deal with their people but that does not make me right if I lauch all out war on them for regime change. ETC....... People do not want to deal with these facts and we have to learn the lesson that is here to learn. If we do not learn the lesson here then we are doomed to repeat it. I am not anti-soldier, nor necessarily anti-war, I am anti-illegal war and we are currently doing just that. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep throwing out stuff like "baby shrub" all the time.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 09:03 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. we should be considering the worlds counsel..... no i dont think we should. We have seen over and over again the ways of the world and the counsel that advises them into inepthood. the world counselors gave us world war 1 and 2, the french gave us veitnam, and that leaves the mid east for giving us counsel there, in a place where freedom is only granted when you die. No I am not going to listen to the world counsel or their bad flippin advise. To sound mean and arrogant, we lead the world contrary to your desires, and if the world listened more to our counsel "what a wonderful place it would be" as the song goes. Uneducated, unciivil, pretensious and ignorant world of hugging til it hurts. the world of genocide, the world of poverty, the world of the uneducated, the world of unable to feed themselves, the world of unable to fend for themselves. No ma'ma, when the world needs something they come to us, right or wrong that is the way it happens. If the world was so smart they wouldnt require our help. SO ONCE AGAIN, NO MA"AM I WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE COUNSEL OF THE WORLD THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Wow, such superiority and arrogance. My daddy would have shown you a little humility and no it was not an ass whuppin. LOL He was a medic like you in Vietnam he had ways.....lol

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 09:05 AM
Even if we stay in Iraq and help them and make sure that terrorists dont move in again, the terrorists will just set up base somewhere else. The war on terror will never end, as long as there is good there will always be evil and vice versa. There will always be terrorists, well almost always, someday the earth will face another mass extinction and terrorism will be the least of our worries. Well, and a real war on terror would have used the world as the backdrop and the nations as allies. A psuedo war on terror says any arab will do

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 09:07 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes! I also believe that Bush has followed his own personal agenda in Iraq dragoness, but to say that WE are guilty of war crimes makes you appear to hate Americans more than hating the current administration. Bush will get his in one way or another when he is out of office just as Castro who is now out of office. Many things will be heard from Cuba about Castro and I hope you will be as outraged about them. We already look bad enough thanks to shrub. I am pointing out that that will make us look even worse to the world. International lawyers advised that regime change was illegal before we went to war. I am just trying to get us to save what little face we have left after the tyranny of shrub.

IndianaJoans Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 115	Wed 03/05/08 09:07 AM
Even if we stay in Iraq and help them and make sure that terrorists dont move in again, the terrorists will just set up base somewhere else. The war on terror will never end, as long as there is good there will always be evil and vice versa. There will always be terrorists, well almost always, someday the earth will face another mass extinction and terrorism will be the least of our worries. Well, and a real war on terror would have used the world as the backdrop and the nations as allies. A psuedo war on terror says any arab will do I agree

wiley Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 19738	Wed 03/05/08 09:07 AM
Even if we stay in Iraq and help them and make sure that terrorists dont move in again, the terrorists will just set up base somewhere else. The war on terror will never end, as long as there is good there will always be evil and vice versa. There will always be terrorists, well almost always, someday the earth will face another mass extinction and terrorism will be the least of our worries. Well, and a real war on terror would have used the world as the backdrop and the nations as allies. A psuedo war on terror says any arab will do You know that not all muslim terrorists are arab, right? Forget all about Chechnya?

armydoc4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 1153	Wed 03/05/08 09:09 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. we should be considering the worlds counsel..... no i dont think we should. We have seen over and over again the ways of the world and the counsel that advises them into inepthood. the world counselors gave us world war 1 and 2, the french gave us veitnam, and that leaves the mid east for giving us counsel there, in a place where freedom is only granted when you die. No I am not going to listen to the world counsel or their bad flippin advise. To sound mean and arrogant, we lead the world contrary to your desires, and if the world listened more to our counsel "what a wonderful place it would be" as the song goes. Uneducated, unciivil, pretensious and ignorant world of hugging til it hurts. the world of genocide, the world of poverty, the world of the uneducated, the world of unable to feed themselves, the world of unable to fend for themselves. No ma'ma, when the world needs something they come to us, right or wrong that is the way it happens. If the world was so smart they wouldnt require our help. SO ONCE AGAIN, NO MA"AM I WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE COUNSEL OF THE WORLD THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Wow, such superiority and arrogance. My daddy would have shown you a little humility and no it was not an ass whuppin. LOL He was a medic like you in Vietnam he had ways.....lol YES, I am arrogant, but I am also truthful, what has the world done for us would have been a simpler debate I guess. Modern times that we live in have the US leading the way on EVERYTHING positive in the world. we rebuilt Japan and gave them technology, then they took that and ran with it, good for them- see people can make it without government. we rebuilt germay and gave them democracy and now look, theyre doing just fine too. the list is longer as I am sure you know or remember from your college days. "arrogant is the man who says war can be fought with hugs and understanding"

joshyfox Joined Fri 08/18/06 Posts: 4272	Wed 03/05/08 09:10 AM
Well there IS the alternative of boxing ourselves up and isolating ourselves away from the world to protect ourselves... I'm sure that won't backfire at all.

armydoc4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 1153	Wed 03/05/08 09:11 AM
Even if we stay in Iraq and help them and make sure that terrorists dont move in again, the terrorists will just set up base somewhere else. The war on terror will never end, as long as there is good there will always be evil and vice versa. There will always be terrorists, well almost always, someday the earth will face another mass extinction and terrorism will be the least of our worries. so since they will just pack up and move somewhere else is no reason to not track them down again and KILL them. eventually we will either die trying or die successful, either way we die on our own terms not theirs, putting down the rabbid animal known as the terrorist.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/05/08 09:14 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. With the damning evidence you keep posting? I am surprised we all haven't been tried for war crimes! People need to realize just because Baby shrub did it. That does not make it right. Just because Saddam was all that he was, had been for many many years, we actually utilized him for excursions in that area as an ally, we still had no right to target him for 9/11. People need to continue to understand that baby shrub has made us into something similar to Saddam. We should not unjustly invade and occupy a sovereign country. I do not agree with how alot of countries do their business and deal with their people but that does not make me right if I lauch all out war on them for regime change. ETC....... People do not want to deal with these facts and we have to learn the lesson that is here to learn. If we do not learn the lesson here then we are doomed to repeat it. I am not anti-soldier, nor necessarily anti-war, I am anti-illegal war and we are currently doing just that. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep throwing out stuff like "baby shrub" all the time. If you look back I use Bush, baby shrub, great burning bush, etc.... Pet names is all.

joshyfox Joined Fri 08/18/06 Posts: 4272	Wed 03/05/08 09:14 AM
This is a valid concern that there are Americans that do not realize that regime change makes us war criminals. you criminal he said some international lawyers, he didnt say that the international court(that you tout). and that statement does not lend creditbility to your accusations. I am happy though that you decided to write this yourself. The international lawyers already state we are illegally there. The point here is that we are A PART OF THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN, we should be considering the world counsels and their determination of what we do to SOVEREIGN NATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STRUCK US!!!!! As in 9/11 that started the ball rolling on Saddam. You guys cannot make it right, no matter what you spout off about. We were wrong and when and if they decide to prosecute for these crimes, it will be deserved. We cannot and should not invade and occupy countries that did not do the crime. No matter how much you try you cannot make that right. we should be considering the worlds counsel..... no i dont think we should. We have seen over and over again the ways of the world and the counsel that advises them into inepthood. the world counselors gave us world war 1 and 2, the french gave us veitnam, and that leaves the mid east for giving us counsel there, in a place where freedom is only granted when you die. No I am not going to listen to the world counsel or their bad flippin advise. To sound mean and arrogant, we lead the world contrary to your desires, and if the world listened more to our counsel "what a wonderful place it would be" as the song goes. Uneducated, unciivil, pretensious and ignorant world of hugging til it hurts. the world of genocide, the world of poverty, the world of the uneducated, the world of unable to feed themselves, the world of unable to fend for themselves. No ma'ma, when the world needs something they come to us, right or wrong that is the way it happens. If the world was so smart they wouldnt require our help. SO ONCE AGAIN, NO MA"AM I WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE COUNSEL OF THE WORLD THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Wow, such superiority and arrogance. My daddy would have shown you a little humility and no it was not an ass whuppin. LOL He was a medic like you in Vietnam he had ways.....lol YES, I am arrogant, but I am also truthful, what has the world done for us would have been a simpler debate I guess. Modern times that we live in have the US leading the way on EVERYTHING positive in the world. we rebuilt Japan and gave them technology, then they took that and ran with it, good for them- see people can make it without government. we rebuilt germay and gave them democracy and now look, theyre doing just fine too. the list is longer as I am sure you know or remember from your college days. "arrogant is the man who says war can be fought with hugs and understanding" Ah yes, I've loved how our country could come in blow everything up, help to people we attacked rebuild and then leave them better than ever. Sadly in none of those cases did we have a network of people resisting us at every turn. Let's face it we cannot make Iraq a better place until the terrorist threat is extinguished there.