I believe that Jesus is both God and man.

He took the form of a man to save humanity from it's sins.

So was The Buddha and a few others. Its what I keeptryin to tell them. These people who are gods still infuence our world as if they were alive. Even moreso.

IM SORRY TO SEEM SO RUDE BUT IM ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION REPEATEDLY. OF COURSE THE MAN IS A GOD. HE HAS BEEN WORSHIPED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. HE HAS A MAJOR WORLD RELIGION NAMED AFTER HIM. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK A GOD IS?????

Yahshua is not Yahweh. He was not a diety on earth. He felt and loved as we do. So many times he says i do as my father commands me. The Holy Spirit that was in him. Knew his fathers will. The exact same spirit that is offered us if we will only believe and have faith. Yahshua said at the end of this age we would do greater things than he did. He walked on water,,he cured people, he raised the dead,changed the weather and most of all he had pure faith. he told peter when he went out to thier boat i believe Peter wanted to go to him. At first Peter was able to walk and then fear came in and he started to sink and Yahshua pulled him up and told him it was because of his unbelieving.All these miracles were done by Yahweh not Yahshua. Yahshua believed and it happened as we are told. Yahshua is at the right hand of Yahweh but remember David will be by his side also. Was David a diety? Ask your self this one question. satan knows the word. He knew what condition Yahshua was in when he went out into the wildreness for 40 days.. If Yahshua was Yahweh and we know that all is his. Why then would satan offer him kingdoms if he would only bow down to him? At that point if Yahshua was Yahweh satan could of destroyed our creator who gave up his powers and Satan would of rose above the Heavens just like in his rebellion he said he would.... Use a little logic.....blessings...Miles

John 8:58.

Jesus said unto them, " Verily, verily, I say unto you,Before Abraham was, I am."

not was, but am. sounds like he is saying he is God, Miles.

Was the Holy Spirit with him as well? Most certainly.

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses,I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel. I AM hath sent me unto you.



By the very written word that you believe to be the source of all your vast knowledge about God, you have failed to see that these two passages clear up the confusion you have been battling.

You have been wrestling with yourself on this one , Miles.

Jesus is God, Jesus is JHWH, and they are one.

There is no getting aoround this when leaning on the texts as the source of your positions and beliefs.

Hope you have learned more of the one who knows the voice of his sheep and more about the sheep that know the voice of their sheperd, Miles.

You have some explaining to do. Or let it go and learn.

Your choice.

I'm cool with it, either way.

wooldee i am tired of you spreading lies. I am going to speak the unadultered word. Not just a bunch of words when you do not understand..... Was Yahshua talking about himself?

John 5:18-23

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that Yahweh was His Father, making Himself equal with Yahweh. 19 Then Yahshua answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
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Or who is he here,huh?

Matt 12:31-32

"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
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All things were created through Yahshua. That is why he said he was the word. Gen.1 says Elohim meaning plural Yahshua can do nothing of himself. That does not make him Yahweh

Milesoftheusa,

Go to the following link: http://www.blbi.org/

Sign up and take their course on "Christology". You will learn a great deal about WHY Christians call Jesus God. The Old Testament is full of evidence that Jesus is God. The New Testament proclaims just that many times. You have been deceieved into believing that Jesus is a created God. The council of Nicea was held to confront that heresy. Please, it will only take you a few hours to find that there is a great deal of evidence to support the Trinty. Don't get mad, that's a waste of time. Either ignore the free Christology class or take it. I have no further interest in debating this with you.

They know nothing. i would challenge anyone from that site to prove what i say on here is wrong. Why? Because I do the same as Yahshua and show your traditions are not in the bible with scripture. Send them some of my post and see if you get a reply and what they say about it. you and Wooldee I know have learned tradition and it is deep in your hearts. But that does not make it right. blessings...Miles

Miles,

you make no sense.

the two scriptures I have reminded you of are in no way interpreted out of context nor do they require a Ph.D to grasp.

They say what they say and you are just to obstinate in your refusal to admit that you are confused.

Make sense and perhaps you will be understood.

Please, make sense to yourself first and know why you call yourself a christian and separate JHWH from Jesus and God and can't comprehend that trinitarian definitions are not meant to thwart you and lie to you but settle you and point you to the congruence without being that congruence itself as mere words.

They are all one in the same and inseparable names for the same entity....the Creator, the Father, God.....or is that too many names for you to comprehend as one, as well?

You are a liar.. The scriptures I quoted prove Yahshua is not Yahweh. He says so himself. If you want to fight his words and name. Then that is your problem.. You just shoot things out of no where. You can not undersstand what The word is saying because you are not suppose too. Because of the harding of you heart..Miles

Miles,

By your own words elsewhere in these threaods you had sought out God and wanted answers and got a vision of God in the printed page of the Holy Bible.

Now you embrace the Holy Spirit as God but not Jesus and liken yourself to Jesus and that I am off my rocker in the same breath.

If Jesus is not God, then you are equal to him. By your own admissions, you are then the Son of God, Miles.

But years ago, you didn't know you were the " I AM".

Nor did you know that God was real. Now you suppose upon yourself that you know more than the one that called you to the Father and gave you the Holy Spirit, if in fact that is so.

The Holy Spirit testifies of the Son, Miles.

If in fact, He is testifying of the Son in your Spirit, he is testifying of Christ in you, the hope of glory, not Miles.

You, as being grafted in are His ambassador, not your own.

You really need to reassess your reality, Miles.

It is Christ that is living inside you and doing these things and teaching you truth and preaching it. He is the one doing the work. Not Miles. Miles has been crucufied, if in fact that has been your good fortune.

You are written in the Book of Life, not writing it.

Let others write of you and the book of your life.

Don't suppose that you are the embodiment of the Christ .

You are not I AM. Or you would have known that from birth, Miles.

You are confused, but sincerely seeking to comprehend what has vbefallen your person.

Learn and grow and remove the errors and be conformed to the image of God's dear Son before you embark on your journey to save the world from its ills in your generation.

Start with you, then your loved ones, then your neighbor, then your acquaintances and so on, Miles.

Never forsake small steps, they start the journey.

Never take big steps until your stride is grown.

there are too many misapprehensions in your yet incompletely emptied carnal mind.

Allow yourself to be conformed first.

You are but a child in the Lord and a very young one indeed still requirong the sincerest milk of the word and not ready yet to digest strong meat though the vision for such exists in your heart.

Relax. Be still. Know that He is God.

John8:58 and Exodus3:14.

is that the lie?

Am I the liar, or is the wriiten Word the lie?

You make no sense.

Nor will you for quite some time.

Miles,

You are blind. These verses say the same thing that you are being warned against maligning with the carnal mind. You are twisting them in your commentary.

This is the duplicity in your heart that frustrates you, not the others that would attempt to understand you and the true nature of your need, which is not to be affirmed in your accuracy but to be conformed to the accuracy of your calling.

That calling is as an ambassador of Christ.

Creating or furthering your own interpretations shouldn't cause you alarm that they are being met with resistance.

Building the church of your dreams will take more work than you are capable of. But head on, Miles. You are accountable for your words. That is your personal responsibility.

That you would borrow selective things from a writing tthat has inspired you to devour and interpret as you wish is your privelege.

But make it clear when you denounce others to justify yourself.

Declare your authority with power. Build on your doctrine, with the willing, Miles.

Go.....prosper your own work.


You are engaged in circular debate here that isolates your teachings as errant.

You make no sense.

Ex 34:5-7

5 Now the master descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of Yahweh. 6 And Yahweh passed before him and proclaimed, "Yahweh,Yahweh Elohim, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation."
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1 Tim 6:14-16
4 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Master Messiah Yahshua appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Master of Masters, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
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John 1:16-18

16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Yahshua Messiah. 18 No one has seen Yahweh at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
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This is not hard. Who did Moses see on mount sinia? No one has seen Yahweh at anytime. But Yahshua.... Now they saw Yahshua in the OT and they saw him in the NT. No one has seen Yahweh and lived. So who gave Moses the 10 commandments? Miles

BUMP

He is saying who he was in the time of Moses. And he is right. When the holy spirit concieved Mary. The scriptures say he left his Heavenly Abode.. for 1 he is the only person not born into sin. Because again Yahweh is his father. The Holy spirit Yahshua sent to us from his father Yahweh. This is the same spirit sent to us that he must die.He also said we would do greater things than him. Why because of that same spirit.The Holy Spirit is the power of Yahweh. Yahshua can do nothing without this power. They are father and son.I am a son a adopted son. I have the right to that power the same as Yahshua did on earth. Now the 2nd comming and the end of the 1000 years. Yahweh has given Yahshua the right to Judge. He will be way higher or have more responcibilities. Just like the parable of the talents..I have never said I Am and I have never denied the deity of Yahshua. This is a good trick though when you do not understand and are threatened by my words. The ole bait and switch trick so you do not have to face something you can not deny...Blessings...Miles

I dont understand why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp. What do you think a god is? Its not a genie in a bottle. Its a person or thing that people worship. Jesus Christ is most definatley a god, so are a few others. If you have a major world religion named after you, and you influence world affairs 2000 years later then you are a god.

Miles and Wouldee. You guys are smart but in my opinion your getting way off track. Lets look at the obvious. Lets look at what can be proven and disproven. Thats what Im saying. Im not concerned with all this mysticism. Please careful review my previous statements. Jesus has a 2000 year old major world religion named after him. His words and life still influence world affairs on a grand scale. People remember his birthday and shape their lives accordng to his teachings 2000 years later and probably always will. That makes him a god. Thats what it is to be a god. Jesus is a god. Its all provable. Its all rational

i still have to say that jesus is not a god i'm sorry. i don't think your right.