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Want to hear some of the FACTS about how these plans DON'T work. head over to http://www.ipi.org/ We have to look at this with Fact and Logic... NOT EMOTION. Sounds cold, but it's true. We let the emotional side of things get to us and we'll only make the problems worse.... That's where the term "Bleeding Heart Liberal" came from. People that tend to think with their heart and not the facts (Not throwing that term out there as an insult). |
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Madam X I am so glad to have the opportunity to know you better ... it has been really great .. thank you ...  i agree shoes back at you!! often times we see the silly side of each other but threads such as this will bring out the other or true side of a person. i think you are an intelligent person with a big heart 
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about!
Stagflation: When a bunch of really cheap friends get together to send off a guy getting married. It's the descriptive term used for 'Blowing up the strippers'. |
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Madam X I am so glad to have the opportunity to know you better ... it has been really great .. thank you ... i agree shoes back at you!! often times we see the silly side of each other but threads such as this will bring out the other or true side of a person. i think you are an intelligent person with a big heart Ahhh ha I fooled ya on that one .... actually I hope my reputation for a blonde bubbleheaded bimbo is not ruined .. it could be too intimidating 
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about! Stagflation: When a bunch of really cheap friends get together to send off a guy getting married. It's the descriptive term used for 'Blowing up the strippers'. now you show up ... jeesh here is your airpump .... |
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bleeding heart? perhaps. i have to face these people daily watching and seeing what they have to endure and why. im not pulling these things out of my ass. i am speaking facts based on laws, on training and knowledge of the healthcare system. you only hear what they want you to hear. try working with it daily with a plethera of cases...you learn alot. i didnt take anything to heart nor was i offended. i just know what im talking about.
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Madam X I am so glad to have the opportunity to know you better ... it has been really great .. thank you ... i agree shoes back at you!! often times we see the silly side of each other but threads such as this will bring out the other or true side of a person. i think you are an intelligent person with a big heart Ahhh ha I fooled ya on that one .... actually I hope my reputation for a blonde bubbleheaded bimbo is not ruined .. it could be too intimidating i know how you feel, id hate for people to think i am not the cold hearted frigid beotch i claim to be hahaha...its part of my charm 
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Ask a republican about this and you know what you will get DENIAL ... Not to argue with you, but here's a fact for you - I'm a Republican, a very CONSERVATIVE Republican that see's John McCain as a liberal. Yet, I don't dispute that there is a problem. Every Republican I know agree's there is a problem. Where we disagree with the Democrats is that we don't feel it's "Big Brothers" responsibility to take control of individual's health care. |
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maybe my heart does bleed .. but I want to see this country be all that it can be .. a place where dreams can come true .. where hard work and dedication mean something .. not oh well we are moving the plant to mexico so too bad that you are 3 years from retirement age .... I say the tax the holy living hell out of companies that pull that crap... have stiff penalties for Enron type scandals instead of some mamby pamby slap on the wrist and let big business pick up the check .....
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bleeding heart? perhaps. i have to face these people daily watching and seeing what they have to endure and why. im not pulling these things out of my ass. i am speaking facts based on laws, on training and knowledge of the healthcare system. you only hear what they want you to hear. try working with it daily with a plethera of cases...you learn alot. i didnt take anything to heart nor was i offended. i just know what im talking about. I see the problem daily. I don't argue there is a problem. I don't disagree that something needs to be done. I just look at programs like Medicare/Medicaid, Social Scurity, Food Stamps... I see the the un-needed paperwork, people that truley deserve the programs being denied, the bloated operation costs of those programs, the abuse by the people in charge of those programs and say - NOT FOR HEALTHCARE!! The system is broke - I'm still looking for the RIGHT fix. If the water pipe to your shower breaks, do you replace it with a garden hose just becuase a hose is cheap and carries water, or do you call a plumber and have it done right? We've got too many garden hose, duct tape patchwork programs in our government as it is... |
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Ask a republican about this and you know what you will get DENIAL ... Not to argue with you, but here's a fact for you - I'm a Republican, a very CONSERVATIVE Republican that see's John McCain as a liberal. Yet, I don't dispute that there is a problem. Every Republican I know agree's there is a problem. Where we disagree with the Democrats is that we don't feel it's "Big Brothers" responsibility to take control of individual's health care. okay have you read the statue of liberty lately ?? seriously Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." what happened to that America ?? |
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maybe my heart does bleed .. but I want to see this country be all that it can be .. a place where dreams can come true .. where hard work and dedication mean something .. not oh well we are moving the plant to mexico so too bad that you are 3 years from retirement age .... I say the tax the holy living hell out of companies that pull that crap... have stiff penalties for Enron type scandals instead of some mamby pamby slap on the wrist and let big business pick up the check ..... How can anyone be all they can be if the Government takes away what they earn to redistribute it to those that have not earned it in the name of being "fair." How can dreams come true if those dreams are taxed out of exsistance? Big business should be responsible for scandels... Just remember, Ken Lay supported Al Gore and played golf with George Soros and the heads of the DNC, not the RNC!  And I hate the idea of sending jobs overseas... but, when we let UNIONS dictate operational policy, not the industry, the industry is going to move. When we tax the profits of a business too much, they are going to leave.... Don't want the jobs to go to Mexico? Let industry run itself, and not tax the heck out of them. They'll stay here, make more jobs, and pay more. There is documented proof of it. Compare the Economic policies and programs of Carter and Reagan if you don't belive it. And, if you really hate jobs going to mexico, remember, it was BILL CLINTON that got us into NAFTA and opened the door for them to go down there! |
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okay have you read the statue of liberty lately ?? seriously Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." what happened to that America ?? It's still here - where does that plaque say "And I we will feed them, clothe them provide them with everything off the back of tax payers?" It does not - that America is the America of OPPORTUNITY. Opportunities that have been stripped away by taxing the small business owner to death. How many of those that came and still come set up their own shops? Think they come here to make a better life for their family only to have that taken away in the form of taxes to fund handouts for other people? See, those people know the value of hard work & earning what you have. It's also why most of them are Conservative, not Liberal. |
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maybe my heart does bleed .. but I want to see this country be all that it can be .. a place where dreams can come true .. where hard work and dedication mean something .. not oh well we are moving the plant to mexico so too bad that you are 3 years from retirement age .... I say the tax the holy living hell out of companies that pull that crap... have stiff penalties for Enron type scandals instead of some mamby pamby slap on the wrist and let big business pick up the check ..... How can anyone be all they can be if the Government takes away what they earn to redistribute it to those that have not earned it in the name of being "fair." How can dreams come true if those dreams are taxed out of exsistance? Big business should be responsible for scandels... Just remember, Ken Lay supported Al Gore and played golf with George Soros and the heads of the DNC, not the RNC! And I hate the idea of sending jobs overseas... but, when we let UNIONS dictate operational policy, not the industry, the industry is going to move. When we tax the profits of a business too much, they are going to leave.... Don't want the jobs to go to Mexico? Let industry run itself, and not tax the heck out of them. They'll stay here, make more jobs, and pay more. There is documented proof of it. Compare the Economic policies and programs of Carter and Reagan if you don't belive it. And, if you really hate jobs going to mexico, remember, it was BILL CLINTON that got us into NAFTA and opened the door for them to go down there! the reasons I rarely speak to republicans is the blame game .. each president inherits problems from the last one .. this current administration had a surplus but 911 depleted it I am not sure that anything else could or should have been done .. I think that we need to get the hell out of there though .. I am not blaming the republicans for the state of our country though the greedy seem to get out and vote a lot more .. and how do you know that those folks have not at one time or another earned it .. and prehaps lost it because of health costs or natural disaster ?? seems a little harsh for someone with compassion... I guess it is okay that I work my butt off and pay all my taxes but one illness and I will be eating catfood so my child can eat .. and what about the children without health care .. oh maybe we should put them to work in sweatshops so they can earn it ?? I say that the right to health wealth and the pursuit of happiness includes healthcare .. we may just have to agree to disagree .. |
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boy this thread went to sh!t quick....
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i was damn close to the cat food situation and if my cancer were to ever return id be lucky to have the can of cat food! so yeah shoes i have to agree with you. i just know what i see, what i feel and what i live. i can only speak on what i know to be truth.
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the reasons I rarely speak to republicans is the blame game .. each president inherits problems from the last one .. this current administration had a surplus but 911 depleted it I am not sure that anything else could or should have been done .. I think that we need to get the hell out of there though .. I am not blaming the republicans for the state of our country though the greedy seem to get out and vote a lot more .. and how do you know that those folks have not at one time or another earned it .. and prehaps lost it because of health costs or natural disaster ?? seems a little harsh for someone with compassion... I guess it is okay that I work my butt off and pay all my taxes but one illness and I will be eating catfood so my child can eat .. and what about the children without health care .. oh maybe we should put them to work in sweatshops so they can earn it ?? I say that the right to health wealth and the pursuit of happiness includes healthcare .. we may just have to agree to disagree .. This is why I said you have to use "Logic" - not emotion. The problem is that the MAJORITY of the people on these programs have not earned it, and are ruining it for those that do. That's fact and easily researched. As for your eating cat food.... My best friend was a stay at home mom of 2 kids, her husband left her high and dry. Did she turn to the Government? Did she eat cat food? NO to both. Her Church, her friends, her family were all there... she got CAR LOADS of food brought to her house until she could find a job. She had men from the church cutting firewood for the winter for her. Compassion - the very meaning of it. And all without a penny of tax payer dollars. Like I said, there are better ways to fix the problem. If something happened to you tomorrow, before you even considered cat food for youself, you email me. I don't know you from Adam's cat, I'm in a hard place financailly myself... but you can bet, I would make my calls and have a few Wal-mart shopping cards in the mail to you to pay for gas and groceries before you knew it. It's called concern for your fellow man, and I don't need Big Brother MAKING me do it or REGULATING how and when I do it. |
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the reasons I rarely speak to republicans is the blame game .. each president inherits problems from the last one .. this current administration had a surplus but 911 depleted it I am not sure that anything else could or should have been done .. I think that we need to get the hell out of there though .. I am not blaming the republicans for the state of our country though the greedy seem to get out and vote a lot more .. and how do you know that those folks have not at one time or another earned it .. and prehaps lost it because of health costs or natural disaster ?? seems a little harsh for someone with compassion... I guess it is okay that I work my butt off and pay all my taxes but one illness and I will be eating catfood so my child can eat .. and what about the children without health care .. oh maybe we should put them to work in sweatshops so they can earn it ?? I say that the right to health wealth and the pursuit of happiness includes healthcare .. we may just have to agree to disagree .. This is why I said you have to use "Logic" - not emotion. The problem is that the MAJORITY of the people on these programs have not earned it, and are ruining it for those that do. That's fact and easily researched. As for your eating cat food.... My best friend was a stay at home mom of 2 kids, her husband left her high and dry. Did she turn to the Government? Did she eat cat food? NO to both. Her Church, her friends, her family were all there... she got CAR LOADS of food brought to her house until she could find a job. She had men from the church cutting firewood for the winter for her. Compassion - the very meaning of it. And all without a penny of tax payer dollars. Like I said, there are better ways to fix the problem. If something happened to you tomorrow, before you even considered cat food for youself, you email me. I don't know you from Adam's cat, I'm in a hard place financailly myself... but you can bet, I would make my calls and have a few Wal-mart shopping cards in the mail to you to pay for gas and groceries before you knew it. It's called concern for your fellow man, and I don't need Big Brother MAKING me do it or REGULATING how and when I do it. |
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I think the fundmental thing here is this... We all agree that there is a problem, a serious problem and that it needs to be fixed.
But, calling on the Government should be a LAST RESORT, not a first response. And, the Governement has a history of making problems worse. I think many people are just in love with the CONCEPT of a national healthcare program... So much that they will not even consider any other option. I thank you gusy for keeping this civil... I've had this dicussion with other people where I was called all kinds of names. All I ask is that, if you REALLY belive there needs to be a fix (i do) that you be willing to look at ALL the options and weigh all the facts of the different types of fixes... not just latch on to the first program the Fed's toss out there. |
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i was damn close to the cat food situation and if my cancer were to ever return id be lucky to have the can of cat food! so yeah shoes i have to agree with you. i just know what i see, what i feel and what i live. i can only speak on what i know to be truth. I will glady share my tender vittles with you ...
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