.. the perfidious ( that was for sox's) acts of "economic stimulus ...

good thread shoes! like getting different people's thoughts and ideas on such matter...nice job!

that is already happening in my area .. lots of employers are cutting back to part time to not pay benefits , health insurance premiums have doubled and that is passed on to the employee ,, what planet is he living on ??

Ahh, but how is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT's responsibilty?

It is not MANDANTORY for an employer to absorb the increased cost of health insurance.

Not only that, but, if you think it's bad that those costs are getting passed on, do you realize the size of the tax cchunk that will be taken from EVERYONE's paychecks to fund a federal healthcare program?

We need reform in that area, that's for sure. But, requiring employers to foot the bill is not the answer.

Riddle me this - you have to have car insurance to drive your car to work. Should your employer be responsible for covering the costs when it goes up?

I think there needs to be price regulation in the health care industry, but having been dealing with medicare/medicare and the Social Security admin for my ill and retired parents... I FEAR the Government taking over my health care and running it like that!

This is completely going to ruin my reputation ... bubbleheads unite


Recession is when the economy recesses . plant closings , loss of jobs, it was explained to me like this

What is the difference between a recession and a depression

A recession is when your neighbor losses his job
Depression is when you do
Stagnation is when u both lose your houses

Ahh, but how is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT's responsibilty?

It is not MANDANTORY for an employer to absorb the increased cost of health insurance.

Not only that, but, if you think it's bad that those costs are getting passed on, do you realize the size of the tax cchunk that will be taken from EVERYONE's paychecks to fund a federal healthcare program?

We need reform in that area, that's for sure. But, requiring employers to foot the bill is not the answer.

Riddle me this - you have to have car insurance to drive your car to work. Should your employer be responsible for covering the costs when it goes up?

I think there needs to be price regulation in the health care industry, but having been dealing with medicare/medicare and the Social Security admin for my ill and retired parents... I FEAR the Government taking over my health care and running it like that!

funny i work with gov. and non profits.....all this tax money to so called feed the hungry and take care of our elderly and needy and vets.....very few of those dollars actually go to do what it claims to do. but the executives sitting at the top running the show have some nice homes and cars and love to throw parties claiming its fundraising haha...please, im on the inside of this show looking out!

Lol ok so you don't know either?

im also a volunteer couselor for the florida dept of elder affairs. i am also highly trained with insurance, medicare, medicaid, long term care, etc....i agree there needs to be a close look taken at it and regulated. so sad, so very sad. i see people daily who are dying because they cant afford coverage, dont qualify for certain programs because they own a home, etc...people taking 1/2 of their meds or trying to go without them because of the ever rising cost of prescriptions. this part D plan is good for a few but has greatly hurt many. i know people who's retail cost of their meds meed the limit within the first month and they spend the next 11 months in the donut hole with no way to pay full cost of their meds. it is insane!

That's one of the main reasons I'm against Governement based programs... there is TOO much oversight and not enough action.

Myself, I work with my church to gather food for local food banks run by volenteers. No money ever changes hand, no big wigs drawing a huge paycheck off the tax dollars that are supposed to fund the programs....

Not only that, but many of the people that work with these organizations are small business owners that counsel the people that come in for food, help them get jobs... Yeah, some of them are just manual labor jobs (Construction, custodial, landscaping...) but they are JOBS.

And, many more of the people working with these groups are people that were there to GET food only a few months ago... Now, they have jobs, they are feeding their own family and paying it forward.

No government, no tax dollars and no one personally profiting from it.

And, could you imagine yourself, you children, your loved ones being forced to get health care under such a system?

That's what it would be like for all of us under a national healthcare system.

We have guys that work for us in that live in Canada...they come here to get any serious health care and pay for it out of pocket. One, waited 3 months for chest x-rays!

And, could you imagine yourself, you children, your loved ones being forced to get health care under such a system?

That's what it would be like for all of us under a national healthcare system.

We have guys that work for us in that live in Canada...they come here to get any serious health care and pay for it out of pocket. One, waited 3 months for chest x-rays!

fear that rules decisions I must question ..

to me honestly sox's stagnation is when we are in denial of the recession that we have been in for 8 years ... no seriously the difference if I have a grasp on it is how it affects the gold index interest rates and other indicators of the strength of the dollar .. anyone can jump in and correct me if I am wrong ..

so it is better for my family to not have health care at all .. we just can't afford to get sick .. my insurance for just me is over 800 dollars a month .. I am self employed I pay a hell of a lot more in taxes then most folks .. I will pay more for insurance period ..

Fear based on looking at the facts and other such programs around the world... fear because people are not learning from the past and dooming us all to reapeat it.

National Health care, like Communisim, looks GREAT on paper... but it does not work in reality. Because, on paper, you don't have the human greed factor in there.