I think the details of the story of the life of the man call Jesus are extremely questionable. My guess is that a mortal man named Jesus had a huge impact on people and he was wrongly crucified and made into a martyr, and finally into God himself.



I don’t think there was necessarily anything wrong with how Jesus lived his life. In fact, since we can’t have any real clue of how it might have truly lived we don’t really know what he might have been like in reality. Assuming that these stories were indeed sparked by a single man. There are scholars who believe that it was a historical period when there were many doomsday preachers. The story of Jesus might have actually been concocted from the lives of many different men.



I believe the biblical version is. Yes I do.



Not knowing the truth of his life who can say?

It seems to me that even the Gospels mock him by claiming that he ever said that only those who believe in him will find everlasting life. I personally believe that if there is any truth to that interpretation at all, it’s not a matter of believing in the divinity of Jesus, but rather in believing in what he taught. That makes much more sense. If you do what he taught (whether you acknowledge him or not) you’ll find heaven right here on earth. In fact, you don’t need to necessarily “follow” his teachings. It may well be possible that you just naturally agree with him and would live the way he taught naturally.

In fact, if you actually give any credit to the Gospels at all, they have Jesus saying that not everyone needs a spiritual physician. I personally feel that he may very well have said that and he wasn’t being sarcastic either!




In my opinion Jesus didn’t teach anything differnet from what Buddha taught. In fact, I personally believe that much of what Jesus taught he actually learned from having read about the works of Buddha and other Eastern Mystic. I think the whole idea of Jesus having died to ‘pay’ for the sins of many was made up by the authors of the gospels. Demagoguery, as you say. Tell the people what you’d like them to believe.



The point of fact is that we don’t have ‘his words’. Every keeps referring to the scriptures as the ‘words of Jesus’, but the fact is that there isn’t a single solitary word in the Bible that was actually written by Jesus. Everything in the Bible is hearsay.

We really don’t have a clue what the man ever said, precisely. All we have is what the writers of the gospels would like us to believe. And I personally do believe that the gospels are demagoguery. I don’t believe that each gospel represents a single document written by a single author. I believe that these were stories that may have gone through many revisions before they finally reach the form that they have in the Bible. The original authors may more may not have had good intentions, but I believe that as these stories were revised more and more demagoguery was added.

Most scholars believe that these stories affected each other. In other words, it’s not true that there are four ‘totally separate’ gospels. What exists is four different versions of a single story, and those four different versions were most likely affects by each other as they evolved.

On that page you posted the Jews are claiming that there were over 300 such stories, but only four were selected to be placed in the Bible because the other 296 either didn’t include, or outright contradicted, the things that the demagoguerists wanted to include in the Bible.

In other words, we don’t have enough information to say anything about the man named Jesus.

But we can say that the demagoguery is self-inconsistent with the Godhead its claiming to idolize.

Woodee I disagree with you on the feast of tabernacles for his birth. Esp in sept. What you are quoting is a Jewish year or what they call a civil year. Our govt. does the same. oct to oct.The only time in scripture that a civil year is done is from the Day of Atonement to the next day of Atonement. This being used for thhe land sabbaths 7 years and the Jubilee the year of release when familys next generation gets back what thier fathers sold. This also correspondes to the feast of weeks. Which is calculated from the day after the sabbath that is the 1st sabbath after the 1st day of Unleavened bread. The day after Passover.So what you have between the jubilles and land sabbaths and feast of weeks or (Pentecost 50) are in direct correlation. pentecost is the day after the completion of 7 sabbaths and the Jubilees is the year after 7 sabbaths of years. The Biblical calender goes from 1st of Abib meaning green ears. So the 1st month is the 1st new moon after the spotting of green ears (barley) So we have the year going from spring to spring. The 7th month starts in sept. with the Feast of Trumpets the 10 days later is the Day of Atonement (fasting) The Masters prayer is the day of atonement. When he said what he did people did not worry about anyone elses sins because the High priest once a year went into the Holy of Holies as the people waited out side to see if they were forgive. Think about that when you recite or read the masters prayer. 5 days later is the 1st day of the feast of Tabernacles which lasts for 7 days. on the 8th day is a holy day. This represents when all sin is whipped from us when the New Jerusalem comes down. This is why circumsising a new born male on the 8th day sybolises his entrance into the world. As we will be in the new world.In acts 21 paul is told he is preaching do not circumsise infants. This was not true. What had been said once that 8th day passes the purpose of circumsism since messiah means nothing. But if you chose tp do it. This is what he was speaking of that either one meant nothing. Not to a newbown.Ok i will have to back track now to the feast of trumpets.

Ps 81:1-4
To the Overseer. — 'On the Gittith.' By Asaph. Cry aloud to Yahweh our strength, Shout to the Elohim of Jacob.

2 Lift up a song, and give out a timbrel, A pleasant harp with psaltery.

3 Blow in the month a trumpet, In the new moon, at the day of our festival,

4 For a statute to Israel it [is], An ordinance of Yahweh of Jacob.
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so what we have in the prophecy of the feast is this.

Yahshua impaled at passover to forgive us of sin. As the lamb of Yahweh.

1 start of the 7 holy days. 1st day of unleavened bread. This means no leaving, not puffed up as they did when leaving egypt. We do the for seven days from High Sabbath to High Sabbath. Reflecting on our sins and forgiving others This is also the time to look at what you believe. Is it right.

So Yahshua took away the sins of the world laid in the tomb and we go into a humble attitude asking for forgiveness and forgiving as we check our beliefs like Yahshua said..

This is Yahshua's words about what to keep yourselves from and how to recongnize it.

Mark 12:36-40

36 for David himself said in the Holy Spirit, Yahweh said to my master, Sit thou on My right hand, till I place thine enemies — thy footstool;

37 therefore David himself saith of him Master, and whence is he his son?' And the great multitude were hearing him gladly,

38 and he was saying to them in his teaching, 'Beware of the scribes, who will in long robes to walk, and love salutations in the market-places,

39 and first seats in the synagogues, and first couches in suppers,

40 who are devouring the widows' houses, and for a pretense are making long prayers; these shall receive more abundant judgment.'
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Because remember what james and Jer. said also.

James 1:25-2:1

25 and he who did look into the perfect law — that of liberty, and did continue there, this one — not a forgetful hearer becoming, but a doer of work — this one shall be happy in his doing.

26 If any one doth think to be religious among you, not bridling his tongue, but deceiving his heart, of this one vain [is] the religion;

27 religion pure and undefiled with Yahshua and t6he Father is this, to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation — unspotted to keep himself from the world.

This feast was fullfilled also as the disciples gathered in the upper room.

Pentecost or 50 daysfrom the normal sabbath that was between the 2 High Sabbaths we come to Pentecosts/feast of weeks... This is like a fullfillment and letting you know what is to come... But we know this fullfillment came at the giving of the Holy Spirit...


Now as i Quoted above in ps 81. The Blowing of trumpets and the shouting to Yahweh.

How do we announce the arrival of a king? The Blowing of trumpets and the bringing of gifts. The star the wise men saw was an angel as Rev tells us. What were the wise men looking for and why did they disobey herod? These Wise men were from Persia. the Zorasterism religions priests were called Magi. They took awhile to get thier and we know when herod realised he had been tricked. He ordered the slaughter of infants 2 years old and up. So apperently Yahshua was around 2 years old when he went to Egypt. This very well may of been around the time of the Magi Priests come to give gifts. But the Magi was looking for Mithra. Who was said to be reborn over and over. IMO..Now proving he was born then we have to look at Yahshua's Uncle.
Luke 1:5

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest , by name Zacharias, of the course of Abijah, and his wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name Elisabeth;
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Luke 1:13

13 and the messenger said unto him, 'Fear not, Zacharias, for thy supplication was heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear a son to thee, and thou shalt call his name John,
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Now the importance here is THE COURSE OF ABIJAH. Thier was 24 courses of 2 weeks that the priests of thier household took care of the temple duties. Now we see Zacharias course was from Abijah.

So what course was he in for in 9 months Yahshua's older cousin John was to be born.

Luke 1:8-9

8 And it came to pass, in his acting as priest , in the order of his course before Yahweh,

9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot was to make perfume, having gone into the sanctuary of Yahweh,
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Now also in this Yahshua's uncle acting as priests and his lot was to make perfumes.

1 Chron 24:6
And Shemaiah son of Nethaneel the scribe, of the Levites, writeth them before the king and the princes, and Zadok the priest, and Ahimelech son of Abiathar, and heads of the fathers, for priests and for Levites: one house of a father being taken possession of for Eleazar, and one being taken possession of for Ithamar.
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If you read on in this chapter these 24 were adopted priests for Aarons sons.. Quite an honor.

1 Chron 24:10 These courses started with the 1st month 1st day. That Yahweh showed King David to Build.

10 for Hakkoz the seventh, for Abijah the eighth,
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Here we see Abijah was of the 8th course of acting as priests and duties in the Temple.

Now Woodee I see you have studied much as most have no idea about the feasts or whan Yahshua was probally born. This next verses are almost to me beyond belief.

In 2chron 5 is a dedication of the temple that Solomon became king. In this dedication we can not only this dedication of a physical temple but also the 3rd one us.

Thier is also more to this dedication as it shows this all being done in the 7th month, trumpets blowing as in Ps 81.


2 Chron 5:1-3
5:1 And all the work that Solomon made for the house of Yahweh is finished, and Solomon bringeth in the sanctified things of David his father, and the silver, and the gold, and all the vessels he hath put among the treasures of the house of Elohim.

2 Then doth Solomon assemble the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, princes of the fathers of the sons of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of Yahweh from the city of David — it [is] Zion.

3 And assembled unto the king are all the men of Israel in the feast — it [is] the seventh month;
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I am sure you see some interesting things here. It is the 7th month.

The most important thing is what's going in now to be dedicated. Now look at how they dedicate.

Who is comming Woodee??

2 Chron 5:5-6:1

5 and they bring up the ark, and the tent of meeting, and all the vessels of the sanctuary that [are] in the tent; brought them up have the priests, the Levites;
6 and king Solomon and all the company of Israel who are convened unto him before the ark are sacrificing sheep and oxen, that are not counted nor numbered from multitude.
7 And the priests bring in the ark of the covenant of Yahweh unto its place, unto the oracle of the house, unto the holy of holies, unto the place of the wings of the cherubs;
8 and the cherubs are spreading out wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubs cover over the ark, and over its staves, from above;
9 and they lengthen the staves, and the heads of the staves are seen out of the ark on the front of the oracle, and they are not seen without; and it is there unto this day.
10 There is nothing in the ark but the two tables that Moses gave in Horeb, where Yahweh covenanted with the sons of Israel, in their going out from Egypt.
11 And it cometh to pass, in the going out of the priests from the sanctuary — for all the priests who are present have sanctified themselves, there is none to watch by courses ,
12 and the Levites, the singers, to all of them, to Asaph, to Heman, to Jeduthun, and to their sons, and to their brethren, clothed in white linen, with cymbals, and with psalteries, and harps, are standing on the east of the altar, and with them priests, to a hundred and twenty, blowing with trumpets —
13 yea, it cometh to pass, as one [are] trumpeters and singers, to sound — one voice — to praise and to give thanks to Yahweh, and at the lifting up of the sound with trumpets, and with cymbals, and with instruments of song, and at giving praise to Yahweh, for good, for to the age [is] His kindness, that the house is filled with a cloud — the house of Yahweh,
14 and the priests have not been able to stand to minister from the presence of the cloud, for the honour of Yahweh hath filled the house of Elohim.

I think I will stop here as this get very deep. I enjoy it though. I will leave you with these questions.

How do you announce a king?

How many priests were announcing and what did they have on.


To really see something cool is check out Acts 1:15 and then the 1st part of Acts 2.


May Yahweh Show Us and Teach Us to Give an Account to Every Man... Blessings of Shalom...Miles

If you research carefully you'll find Jesus never existed and is only a personification of the Sun as was a plethora of other Sun Gods that came before him. The sun is the most adorned object of all time, the giver of life. The night and darkness was always personified as being evil. Bad vs. good, the darkness vs. the light is the most ubiquitous duality known to man. Ancient people personified constellations and different groupings of stars which they created elaborate myths about. We still call many of them the same names. Jesus is just the personified version of the sun we follow through our current age or precession of the equinoxes. The ancient Egyptians along with other cultures long before them recognized that approximately every 2150 years the sunrise on the morning of the spring equinox would occur at a different sign of the Zodiac. This has to do with a slow angular wobble that the Earth maintains as it rotates on it's axis. Jesus was "born" at the beginning of the age of Pisces which is symbolized by two fish. The Jesus fish you see on the back of people's cars is one example of the symbolism of the current age we're in.

Jesus' birth sequence is completely astrological. There is a very interesting phenomenon that occurs around December 25th, or the winter solstice. From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter and colder. From the perspective of the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to move south and get smaller and more scarce. The shortening of the days and the expiration of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolized the process of death to the ancients. It was the death of the Sun. By December 22nd, the Sun's demise was fully realized, for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months, makes it to it's lowest point in the sky. Here a curious thing occurs, the Sun stops moving south, at least perceivably, for 3 days. During this 3 day pause, the Sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation. After this time on December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring. Thus it is said, the Sun died on the cross, was dead for 3 days, only to be resurrected or born again. This is why Jesus and numerous other Sun Gods share the crucifixion, 3-day death, and resurrection concept. It is the Sun's transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times, The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise, the birth of the sun. However, they did not celebrate the resurrection of the Sun until the spring equinox, or Easter. This is because at the spring equinox, the Sun officially overpowers the evil darkness, as daytime thereafter becomes longer in duration than night, and the revitalizing conditions of spring emerge.

I could go on but I'm sure you get the point. The Bible has more to do with astrology than anything else. Most of the Bible, including the story of Moses, the great flood, the ten commandments and so on and so forth are plagiarized from the ancient Egyptian religion.

Here is biblical proof that Paul used a modern day technique called "rapport" to seduce people and win them to his faith.
Or else you can just call it deceit. He was like a used car salesman or a pick up artist.


Corinthians 9:20-22: To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law -- though not being myself under the law -- that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law -- not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ -- that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak.

Here is biblical proof that Paul used a modern day technique called "rapport" to seduce people and win them to his faith.
Or else you can just call it deceit. He was like a used car salesman or a pick up artist.


Corinthians 9:20-22: To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law -- though not being myself under the law -- that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law -- not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ -- that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak.

but he actually was all of those things.
thats no different than you having a drink if you're in a bar,
having a coffee when you walk into starbucks, or going to burger king and ordering a whopper.
that makes you a great deceiver too?

Paul before his conversion was well known. He was a pharasee of Pharasee. None of those thing cause you to sin. Paul knew the law very well. If you and spider believe as you say then the Chosen Vessel of Yahshua in acts 9. He would not be. Then that makes Yahshua not the Messiah that spoke to him but a demon or satan. You can then throw your book out as it has no use.I would like anyone to show or prove to me that Paul did not go into a temple and performed animal sacrafices acting as a priest in Acts 21.If he did then the christian thought of throwing the law out is not from Yahweh. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Great answer!

Jeanniebean,

I think you are taking the scripture the wrong way.

Paul was a Pharisee, so he understands how a Jew thinks.
Paul was outside of the law, so he could understand how a gentile thought.
Paul was weak and many believe he was deformed, so he knows what the weak think.

Paul was saying that he chooses how to approach issues depending upon the audience he is speaking to. The truth and what Paul was teaching didn't change, but how he conveyed the truth was changed. If Paul had gone to the gentiles and said "See all these prophecies that Jesus fullfilled?", the Gentiles wouldn't have cared one bit. They didn't know the prophecies, they didn't know the law. Paul wouldn't convert any gentile with that approach. But by approaching the gentiles while matching his approach to their thought processes and beliefs, he could better reach them. In one sermon, Paul talked about how the Romans were very religious and that they even had a temple to the unknown god. Then Paul explained that the "unknown" god was the God of Abraham and he was the only true God. Knowing about their belief in the "unknown" god allowed Paul to better speak to his audience. This is not hypocracy and it's not deceit, it's a very good technique for speaking in public.

Shalom

I am glad everyone agree's with me. The scriptures are ever learning.....Blessings....Miles