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Topic: Surrendering To The Terrorists
madisonman's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:26 PM
Good grief. With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?

Last week, 19 Democratic senators surrendered to bullying and fear mongering, extending the executive autocracy of the Bush-Cheney regime. By joining every Republican senator to okay Bush's blanket program of mass wiretapping that he had secretly launched, these 19 defectors from fundamental democratic ideals are surrendering your and my Constitutional rights.

In the name of "protecting" us, they voted to invade us. This law extends unprecedented and unconstitutional power to the White House, letting a president decide on his own whim to have the government listen in on hundreds of millions of our phone and internet messages. No courts, no warrants, no oversight.

Yes, terrorists are a threat, and, yes, we must be vigilant as a nation - but that doesn't mean being stupid. Bush likes to say that terrorists "hate us for our freedoms." If so, how pathetic for him and Congress to be so cowed that they react by removing our freedoms. Liberty is America's greatest treasure, our defining ideal - why are today's craven leaders surrendering something so essential to terrorists? The founders understood that you don't gain security by locking down liberty, and subsequent generations fought, bled, and died to secure that wisdom. Are we so weak today that we can't stand up both to the terrorists and to those who would shred our Constitutional principles?

Most of the media coverage of this legislation has focused on whether AT&T and other telecom giants should get retroactive immunity for having illegally helped Bush spy on us. I think they should not, but let's not lose sight of the bigger issue. By massively expanding the executive branch's spy powers, it's our own elected representatives who are surrendering our civil liberties and betraying some 230 years of the rule of law.
(c) 2008 Jim Hightower's latest book, "If The Gods Had Meant Us To Vote They Would Have Given Us Candidates," is available in a fully revised and updated paperback edition
http://www.issuesandalibis.org/

fastlinnie's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:29 PM
grumble

BoaterMatt's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:30 PM
get a grip

merlot42's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:32 PM
shorter then usual....indifferent

KennethP5206's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:35 PM
Still not in his own words

fastlinnie's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:36 PM
5 min is all i needgrumble mad devil

VKidd's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:38 PM
HEHE....with democrats like this...that was a funny start to something too long for me to read...caught the first sentance though...short attention span.

touchybear's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:42 PM
get a life...if you have no terrists activity...you have no reason to worry about getting listened tooo...i think people are so narrow mimded when it comes to 911 and 3,00 people getting killed...we did nothing to deserve that....(NOTHING)to me that was war declared on us..and we have every right to protect our people...and country...im a viet nam vet...i got spit on and cursed...for that war...i was doing what i was told as a soldier...and if i was younger i would be in iraq..peace peaple...and people that are afraid of fighting to save us...and our country need to go find another country to live in...for you shre dont appreciate the freedom and people that gave up there lifes so you can sit on your ass and complain....
Good grief. With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?

Last week, 19 Democratic senators surrendered to bullying and fear mongering, extending the executive autocracy of the Bush-Cheney regime. By joining every Republican senator to okay Bush's blanket program of mass wiretapping that he had secretly launched, these 19 defectors from fundamental democratic ideals are surrendering your and my Constitutional rights.

In the name of "protecting" us, they voted to invade us. This law extends unprecedented and unconstitutional power to the White House, letting a president decide on his own whim to have the government listen in on hundreds of millions of our phone and internet messages. No courts, no warrants, no oversight.

Yes, terrorists are a threat, and, yes, we must be vigilant as a nation - but that doesn't mean being stupid. Bush likes to say that terrorists "hate us for our freedoms." If so, how pathetic for him and Congress to be so cowed that they react by removing our freedoms. Liberty is America's greatest treasure, our defining ideal - why are today's craven leaders surrendering something so essential to terrorists? The founders understood that you don't gain security by locking down liberty, and subsequent generations fought, bled, and died to secure that wisdom. Are we so weak today that we can't stand up both to the terrorists and to those who would shred our Constitutional principles?

Most of the media coverage of this legislation has focused on whether AT&T and other telecom giants should get retroactive immunity for having illegally helped Bush spy on us. I think they should not, but let's not lose sight of the bigger issue. By massively expanding the executive branch's spy powers, it's our own elected representatives who are surrendering our civil liberties and betraying some 230 years of the rule of law.
(c) 2008 Jim Hightower's latest book, "If The Gods Had Meant Us To Vote They Would Have Given Us Candidates," is available in a fully revised and updated paperback edition
http://www.issuesandalibis.org/

touchybear's photo
Fri 02/22/08 06:45 PM
sorry but that got under my skin...

MainMan's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:17 AM
get a life...if you have no terrists activity...you have no reason to worry about getting listened tooo...i think people are so narrow mimded when it comes to 911 and 3,00 people getting killed...we did nothing to deserve that....(NOTHING)to me that was war declared on us..and we have every right to protect our people...and country...im a viet nam vet...i got spit on and cursed...for that war...i was doing what i was told as a soldier...and if i was younger i would be in iraq..peace peaple...and people that are afraid of fighting to save us...and our country need to go find another country to live in...for you shre dont appreciate the freedom and people that gave up there lifes so you can sit on your ass and complain....
Good grief. With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?





U get a life man! you are the stupid one, almost dying for what u think is ideals to protect freedom, when all along it is all a big ruse to control people and gain power not for americans but a few elite select. 9/11 was an inside job there is plenty of proof on the internet a blind man can see! When u admit this u will understand the terrorist is the current administration and not al-keida....did u even watch "farenheight 9/11" did u see the soldiers kicking in peoples doors and dragging people off with no explanation or sympathy for the family who resided there. U American soldiers are the REAL terrorists! But I don't blame u, it's not your fault u don't have a mind of your own.

MainMan's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:29 AM
Edited by MainMan on Sun 02/24/08 09:41 AM
Yup thats it! A few guys living in sand houses who hardly knew how to fly circumvented the US Air defense system NORAD, which the government spent trillions of dollars on, and spends trillions on every year (USA defense budget is more than our WHOLE countries' budget here in CANADA) so a "Pearl Harbor Event" like.....say 9/11 would never take place again! Stop drinking the tap water man its fluoridated and it causes brain damage! if u actually believe this you might as well walk over to los alamos and get a chip implant now!



lets look at probability:
here is an easy 1. No hi-rise building has ever collapsed from fire! how probable is it then that the trade centers, which were built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes, and missile attacks both collapsed! the same way! from a small hole in the side caused by a plane?!?! oh the fires u say the fires burn't so hot it melted the superstructure and pancaked the building just exactly like a controlled building demolition, I say BS! dammit there are pictures showing people standing in the hole the plane made for GODS sake man get your heads out of your asses and demand accountability for your country men's lives!!!

no photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:42 AM
U get a life man! you are the stupid one,


That is just rude to talk to a man who put his life on the line so you could live in comfort...you can believe what you want to believe but that is no reason to disrespect him..I wonder if you would say the same thing if you had the privilege to meet him in person..it's easy to say that sitting in the comfort of your home with no threat of reprisal....noway

Jim519's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:49 AM
What a tool

Lame, get a life, try writing your own material for once

I compare you to what I flushed down the toilet this morning

madisonman's photo
Sun 02/24/08 10:22 AM

Yup thats it! A few guys living in sand houses who hardly knew how to fly circumvented the US Air defense system NORAD, which the government spent trillions of dollars on, and spends trillions on every year (USA defense budget is more than our WHOLE countries' budget here in CANADA) so a "Pearl Harbor Event" like.....say 9/11 would never take place again! Stop drinking the tap water man its fluoridated and it causes brain damage! if u actually believe this you might as well walk over to los alamos and get a chip implant now!



lets look at probability:
here is an easy 1. No hi-rise building has ever collapsed from fire! how probable is it then that the trade centers, which were built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes, and missile attacks both collapsed! the same way! from a small hole in the side caused by a plane?!?! oh the fires u say the fires burn't so hot it melted the superstructure and pancaked the building just exactly like a controlled building demolition, I say BS! dammit there are pictures showing people standing in the hole the plane made for GODS sake man get your heads out of your asses and demand accountability for your country men's lives!!!

drinker

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Sun 02/24/08 10:27 AM


Yup thats it! A few guys living in sand houses who hardly knew how to fly circumvented the US Air defense system NORAD, which the government spent trillions of dollars on, and spends trillions on every year (USA defense budget is more than our WHOLE countries' budget here in CANADA) so a "Pearl Harbor Event" like.....say 9/11 would never take place again! Stop drinking the tap water man its fluoridated and it causes brain damage! if u actually believe this you might as well walk over to los alamos and get a chip implant now!



lets look at probability:
here is an easy 1. No hi-rise building has ever collapsed from fire! how probable is it then that the trade centers, which were built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes, and missile attacks both collapsed! the same way! from a small hole in the side caused by a plane?!?! oh the fires u say the fires burn't so hot it melted the superstructure and pancaked the building just exactly like a controlled building demolition, I say BS! dammit there are pictures showing people standing in the hole the plane made for GODS sake man get your heads out of your asses and demand accountability for your country men's lives!!!

drinker


oh oh....looks like dragoness has some competition for madisonman's affection...laugh

madisonman's photo
Sun 02/24/08 10:43 AM



Yup thats it! A few guys living in sand houses who hardly knew how to fly circumvented the US Air defense system NORAD, which the government spent trillions of dollars on, and spends trillions on every year (USA defense budget is more than our WHOLE countries' budget here in CANADA) so a "Pearl Harbor Event" like.....say 9/11 would never take place again! Stop drinking the tap water man its fluoridated and it causes brain damage! if u actually believe this you might as well walk over to los alamos and get a chip implant now!



lets look at probability:
here is an easy 1. No hi-rise building has ever collapsed from fire! how probable is it then that the trade centers, which were built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes, and missile attacks both collapsed! the same way! from a small hole in the side caused by a plane?!?! oh the fires u say the fires burn't so hot it melted the superstructure and pancaked the building just exactly like a controlled building demolition, I say BS! dammit there are pictures showing people standing in the hole the plane made for GODS sake man get your heads out of your asses and demand accountability for your country men's lives!!!

drinker


oh oh....looks like dragoness has some competition for madisonman's affection...laugh
is it realy hard to stay on topicand not make things personal?

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 10:52 AM
Too bad that fearmongering works so dam well in this country. Tell people "we need to remove your rights to protect you" and people just roll over. Next it will be your guns, people, and then your freedom to move around the nation or internationally freely, etc......

What a sad life, fearhuh

no photo
Sun 02/24/08 10:59 AM

Too bad that fearmongering works so dam well in this country. Tell people "we need to remove your rights to protect you" and people just roll over. Next it will be your guns, people, and then your freedom to move around the nation or internationally freely, etc......

What a sad life, fearhuh


well if you listen to people like Jim Hightower and Medisonman I can understand your doom and gloom attitude....have a nice life all the same..glasses

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Sun 02/24/08 03:16 PM



Yup thats it! A few guys living in sand houses who hardly knew how to fly circumvented the US Air defense system NORAD, which the government spent trillions of dollars on, and spends trillions on every year (USA defense budget is more than our WHOLE countries' budget here in CANADA) so a "Pearl Harbor Event" like.....say 9/11 would never take place again! Stop drinking the tap water man its fluoridated and it causes brain damage! if u actually believe this you might as well walk over to los alamos and get a chip implant now!



lets look at probability:
here is an easy 1. No hi-rise building has ever collapsed from fire! how probable is it then that the trade centers, which were built to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes, and missile attacks both collapsed! the same way! from a small hole in the side caused by a plane?!?! oh the fires u say the fires burn't so hot it melted the superstructure and pancaked the building just exactly like a controlled building demolition, I say BS! dammit there are pictures showing people standing in the hole the plane made for GODS sake man get your heads out of your asses and demand accountability for your country men's lives!!!

drinker


oh oh....looks like dragoness has some competition for madisonman's affection...laugh


That's right....blushing :heart: love

madisonman's photo
Sun 02/24/08 03:17 PM
a gloom and doom additude is one who give up hope and stops trying to make things better. I see alot of hope here drinker

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