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Bilderberg: The ultimate conspiracy theory

By Jonathan Duffy
BBC News Online Magazine


The Bilderberg group, an elite coterie of Western thinkers and power-brokers, has been accused of fixing the fate of the world behind closed doors. As the organisation marks its 50th anniversary, rumours are more rife than ever.
Given its reputation as perhaps the most powerful organisation in the world, the Bilderberg group doesn't go a bundle on its switchboard operations.

Telephone inquiries are met with an impersonal female voice - the Dutch equivalent of the BT Callminder woman - reciting back the number and inviting callers to "leave a message after the tone".

Anyone who accidentally dialled the number would probably think they had stumbled on just another residential answer machine.


Leiden in Holland, the inauspicious base of the Bilderberg group
But behind this ultra-modest façade lies one of the most controversial and hotly-debated alliances of our times.

On Thursday the Bilderberg group marks its 50th anniversary with the start of its yearly meeting.

For four days some of the West's chief political movers, business leaders, bankers, industrialists and strategic thinkers will hunker down in a five-star hotel in northern Italy to talk about global issues.

What sets Bilderberg apart from other high-powered get-togethers, such as the annual World Economic Forum (WEF), is its mystique.

Not a word of what is said at Bilderberg meetings can be breathed outside. No reporters are invited in and while confidential minutes of meetings are taken, names are not noted.

The shadowy aura extends further - the anonymous answerphone message, for example; the fact that conference venues are kept secret. The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website.

DISCREET AND ELITE
This year Bilderberg has announced a list of attendees
They include BP chief John Browne, US Senator John Edwards, World Bank president James Wolfensohn and Mrs Bill Gates

In the void created by such aloofness, an extraordinary conspiracy theory has grown up around the group that alleges the fate of the world is largely decided by Bilderberg.

In Yugoslavia, leading Serbs have blamed Bilderberg for triggering the war which led to the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the London nail-bomber David Copeland and Osama Bin Laden are all said to have bought into the theory that Bilderberg pulls the strings with which national governments dance.

And while hardline right-wingers and libertarians accuse Bilderberg of being a liberal Zionist plot, leftists such as activist Tony Gosling are equally critical.

A former journalist, Mr Gosling runs a campaign against the group from his home in Bristol, UK.

"My main problem is the secrecy. When so many people with so much power get together in one place I think we are owed an explanation of what is going on.


Timothy McVeigh was among those who believed the conspiracy theory
Mr Gosling seizes on a quote from Will Hutton, the British economist and a former Bilderberg delegate, who likened it to the annual WEF gathering where "the consensus established is the backdrop against which policy is made worldwide".

"One of the first places I heard about the determination of US forces to attack Iraq was from leaks that came out of the 2002 Bilderberg meeting," says Mr Gosling.

But "privacy, rather than secrecy", is key to such a meeting says Financial Times journalist Martin Wolf, who has been invited several times in a non-reporting role.

"The idea that such meetings cannot be held in private is fundamentally totalitarian," he says. "It's not an executive body; no decisions are taken there."

As an up-and-coming statesmen in the 1950s, Denis Healey, who went on to become a Labour chancellor, was one of the four founding members of Bilderberg (which was named after the hotel in Holland where the first meeting was held in 1954).


The alternative - the WEF welcomes journalists
His response to claims that Bilderberg exerts a shadowy hand on the global tiller is met with characteristic bluntness. "Crap!"

"There's absolutely nothing in it. We never sought to reach a consensus on the big issues at Bilderberg. It's simply a place for discussion," says Lord Healey.

Formed in the spirit of post-war trans-Atlantic co-operation, the idea behind Bilderberg was that future wars could be prevented by bringing power-brokers together in an informal setting away from prying eyes.

"Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended. The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.

"In my experience the most useful meetings are those when one is free to speak openly and honestly. It's not unusual at all. Cabinet meetings in all countries are held behind closed doors and the minutes are not published."

That activists have seized on Bilderberg is no surprise to Alasdair Spark, an expert in conspiracy theories.

"The idea that a shadowy clique is running the world is nothing new. For hundreds of years people have believed the world is governed by a cabal of Jews.

"Shouldn't we expect that the rich and powerful organise things in their own interests. It's called capitalism."



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or the peace and liberty party
hes runing for bothe haha

Okay ... I stand corrected.

OMG a secret cabal of Jews, maybe you, borat, and hell kitty can get your pitchforks and go after them!

They should save this thread in a time capsule to help mark the decline of Western Civilization.

Anyone for an IQ test criteria for the right to vote?

I thought not.

Excuse me, I do not judge you. You need to take your opinion and shove it in your arse. I dont believe in NWO, I just believe in my freedom. If you can't handle that, then dont bother with me.

BTW you are the racist here, not Ron Paul. Ignorance is bliss. And don't look at my profile again.

aaronlyric......

I heard of that organization. I believe they want North American to form the same kind of alliance Europe has, which would mean the USA would lose its sovereignty. I think they were first organized when there was a Soviet Union with the purpose being to hault communism. Additionally, I believe the group's second purpose was to stop so much of the anti-Americanism. However, I do not trust this group since they meet in secret and no one is permitted to discuss what their meetings are about.

You can block me, I just wanted to see where you from, figured it was deep South. *Hums Neil Young's Alabama*

You don't judge me, but when I took the time to write a thoughful post about what was said in the thread, you showed your wit and put responded with a yawn symbol. Maybe you were just tired from the medical marijuana, I dunno, but I'd say that passes as judgement.

What does me living in Alabama have to do with anything? You think that we are not educated? You need to grow the hell up. just because you can't handle that someone will vote differently than you, so you have to retort to name calling. You are such a man.

No, I just don't believe what you wrote, so I yawned. I didn't attack you. So buzz off.

I can handle your going to vote for Ron Paul. I hope he goes in as and Indy and you vote for him again!!! I just did not like your response to what I said why his ideas are bad and the fact that he has been proven to have a history to have propagated racist beleiefs. I did NOT call you any names. cept for hell kitty instead of hellkitten. Did you find that insulting? I'm sorry. It was not quite as bad as you telling me to shove my opinion up my arse though.

Maybe it was unfair of me to lump you in with the conspiracy dude, but you don't seem too concerned about "DR" Ron's racial history, that is a fact. You yawned, remember.

i think the nature behind all that holds true to what our forefathers wanted the government to be. The government was never meant to rule the people have so many departments. It is up to the people of this country to make sure things get done. If the people can't take responsibility then the country is doomed anyway. The government's role in it's entirety is merely to protect the rights of the people and make sure that the people don't infringe each other's rights in the process.

Are you serious dude? You do know that Social Security was never meant to be a permanent establishment. It was only set up to help those people who were suffering after the great depression. The fact is that no one wanted to be the President that removed it. The only reason it has lasted so long was because of the WWs and that many died and could not draw from it and the baby boomers were allowed to put a lot into it. America was not like a 3rd world country before it. If we would have had stock market regulations from the beginning there would never have been the great depression and never had social security.

I agree, Ron Paul is a breath of fresh aid and his ideals could really move this country forward. I think its great to give states more legislative power and not the national government. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe there is more to winning the Presidency then peoples votes. His veiws might not be the best for Corporate America so the media and other places could have an agenda against him. That could be a reason the online polls and the official ones are so different.

Are you serious dude? You do know that Social Security was never meant to be a permanent establishment. It was only set up to help those people who were suffering after the great depression. The fact is that no one wanted to be the President that removed it. The only reason it has lasted so long was because of the WWs and that many died and could not draw from it and the baby boomers were allowed to put a lot into it. America was not like a 3rd world country before it. If we would have had stock market regulations from the beginning there would never have been the great depression and never had social security.


Everthing you posted is true.

please note, the above post is not my thought. it is something i am agreeing with .....

ironically federal income tax was supposed to be temporary to pay for world war one.....

Exactly it is true. People need to realize social security will not last forever. I personally don't expect it to be there when I am retirement age. I think people use it as a crutch so they don't have to save for their own retirement and I think thats wrong. I would rather not be taxed and if I didn't save for retirement, well thats my own damn fault. I mean I graduate this semester and plan to start putting money away in my first year of employment.

Yea I know