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Topic: JUST HEARD!!
aaronlyric Joined Tue 01/15/08 Posts: 193	Thu 01/31/08 09:34 PM
this north american union is true, google "the security and prosperity partnership of north america" just like the united nations..its not that unbelievable, it's globalism

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Thu 01/31/08 10:49 PM
voileazur..... your incredibly long post says nothing and indicates you know nothing about the subject. You should be a politician.

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Fri 02/01/08 06:54 AM
ladies and gentlmen, we have nothing to fear. our government doesnt have the power to do this unless they have our consent. if they try and go ahead with this anyway it is our responsibility as americans to " alter or abolish" our government. Our declaration of independance says so. This is why our right to bare arms must be protected at all costs. Ironically washington is trying to get rid of this too. Personally i am outraged that Washington would consider such a deed. I think it's time that we as americans start using the media to inform those that aren't informed and to tell congress that we wont allow it.

smo Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 496	Fri 02/01/08 11:48 AM
Hey Guys this stuff is for real (conspiracies),Our so called leaders have been selling us down the tubes for years(treason upon treason)When will enough of us wake up so that this fraud comes to an end?? Hey, I think we are waking up faster these days, When more of us lose our jobs and our homes, and then when they put forced disease (forced Vaccinations) on us(depopulation)maybe then we will wake up.. Where do you think all these autisms are coming from?? Hey Guys ,the govt does not seem to listen to WE THE PEOPLE anymore!!I Hear, The American Union (Mexico, US, CANADA) is a done deal as far as some of the big guys are concerned. They never asked me if I thought it would be alright.(Also the new Super Super Highway from Mexico to Canada Along I 35.) I guess there is also new Constitution already written up that makes us under the UN.(I think REAGEN might have signed us up for that when he was still President.) When did they report that on your NO NEWS CHANNEL?? I guess originally Russia was to supply the New World ORDER Leader, But Now that Israel and Russia are not best buddies, Israel wants to back out of that deal!! Hey the UN is not our friend either, That is the NEW WORLD ORDER IN PLAIN SIGHT>

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 02/01/08 11:51 AM
There has been talk of this since 2005. I am not 100 per cent sure, but I think it is called the North American Alliance. There is some sort of document that outlines a plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter." "Community" means integrating the United States with Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada. This means trade, capital, and people flow freely betweem Camada, the United States, and Mexico. The United States will also be forced to go along with visa and asylum regulations with Mexico and Canada. It sucks .... sounds to me as if the United States would be giving up its soverienty. Check your sources people. This topic was exhaustively covered this summer (see past threads around july-august) during the Montebello meet between US-Canada and Mexico. A lot of false information, hype and demagogy flying around this hot topic. More 'urban legends' and paranoiac hype than facts. The 'Independent Task Force on North America' was set up in 2004, and was an initiative organized by the Council on Foreign Relations (U.S.), the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations. I believe the first chairman was canadian politician John Manley. The 'Task Force' advocated a greater security and, by default, economic integration among Canada, Mexico, and the United States. By default economic integration because since 9/11, the current US administration have been imposing incredibly constraining 'security' 'red-tape' on Canada and Mexico, which has been unecessarily prejudicial to the 3 countries economies. The task force is charged with the dual objective of securing the borders, while not hampering economic trade. The 'Task Force' came under harsh and unwarranted criticism that it was a secretive and undemocratic covert operation with an 'evil' plan. Since then, the 'Task Force' saw the birth of a more public and accountable structure in the name of 'The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America'. The SPPna is a nothing other than a region-level dialogue with the sole purpose of providing greater cooperation on security and economic issues, while providing as much transparency to the public as possible. The Partnership was founded in Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005 by Paul Martin, Prime Minister of Canada, Vicente Fox, President of Mexico, and George W. Bush, President of the United States. Like much of the initiatives of the current US administration, this one was handled most incompentently, and was given a degree of priority which borders that which is given to 'The National Task Force' charged with questionning the sex of angels!!! Given this level of incompetency, and incapability to answer legitimate questions from the public, the public remained supicious of the administration's aims, and started figuring out answers of their own: Hollywood type conspiracy scenarios, imagining the worse. If I remember well from the summer, a number of paranoid protectionist lobbies and associations (no credibility whatsoever) launched their 'urban legends' and conspiracy scenarios on web site, and declared war ... on ghosts. If you need to attack something here, again you will need to attack the incompetency of this current administration to execute the simplest things in an acceptable and constructive manner. I agree, propaganda bullarky, meant to spark a racial or patriotic tension. Disregard, people, it is not truth.

smo Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 496	Fri 02/01/08 11:54 AM
Hey Guys this stuff is for real (conspiracies),Our so called leaders have been selling us down the tubes for years(treason upon treason)When will enough of us wake up so that this fraud comes to an end?? Hey, I think we are waking up faster these days, When more of us lose our jobs and our homes, and then when they put forced disease (forced Vaccinations) on us(depopulation)maybe then we will wake up.. Where do you think all these autisms are coming from?? Hey Guys ,the govt does not seem to listen to WE THE PEOPLE anymore!!I Hear, The American Union (Mexico, US, CANADA) is a done deal as far as some of the big guys are concerned. They never asked me if I thought it would be alright.(Also the new Super Super Highway from Mexico to Canada Along I 35.) I guess there is also new Constitution already written up that makes us under the UN.(I think REAGEN might have signed us up for that when he was still President.) When did they report that on your NO NEWS CHANNEL?? I guess originally Russia was to supply the New World ORDER Leader, But Now that Israel and Russia are not best buddies, Israel wants to back out of that deal!! Hey the UN is not our friend either, That is the NEW WORLD ORDER IN PLAIN SIGHT>

smo Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 496	Fri 02/01/08 12:42 PM
Do you mind if I think out loud a little bit and tell you the whole story in a few lines? America (land of Heaven) You ever heard of Atlantis and LEMUR, 2 great civilizations comparable to ours , blown off the map ,because of similar situation to ours: SATAN vs. GOD The Satan Forces are ruling our govt, we let it happen. If we can get them out of there and on trial, this earth does not need to be destroyed.But if we do not stop them then America will be destroyed too like Atlantis and Lemur were. Another side reason for bombing Baghdad.That is where all the old records were kept to tell us the truth about those old Civilizations, The Satanists knew these records were there and wanted them destroyed.Israels Leaders would have been openly exposed through those records, Why do so many countries call us the GreatSatan? And also Little IsraeL? These Satanists don't believe in our God,They believe only in Satan and stealing little kids to torture. I think many of these secret organizations are guilty of crimes , even murder among the top members. the little members at the bottom are just nice little decoys unknowingly.They say where there is smoke ,there is fire, I would like to investigate the Bohemian Grove and many others, the funny thing the most important people seem to belong to many of these Skull and bones type organizations. I think Russia is way ahead of us in figuring this problem out. We are supposed to be a Christian nation, but I don't think we have many Christian leaders, It seems that Christians are not tolerated very well in our govt. Remember the Kennedy Family.

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Fri 02/01/08 02:33 PM Edited by voileazur on Fri 02/01/08 02:36 PM
voileazur..... your incredibly long post says nothing and indicates you know nothing about the subject. You should be a politician. You could be right 'leahmarie', other than being clear that it is a 'rumour', an 'urban legend', another one of those 'conspiracy theories', a poorly crafted piece of 'propaganda', and a ludicrous 'pile of demagogy', I know nothing else about the subject. If you are interested in that kind of demagogical crap, you obviously would know a lot more about 'one world governement - build your shelter today' crap. With respect to being a politician though, I am much too interested in facts and 'reality' to ever consider the field. You on the other hand, with this fascination you seem to have with fictitious, unfounded and demagogic conspiracy BS, and this easy, or should I say 'slick' way you have of speewing gratuitous and unfounded insults, would fit right in!!! While you couldn't count on my vote, I still would wish you the best of luck with your political ambitions. After all, your 'one world order' isn't here YET, so this is still very much a free country, inside of a free western word!!!

symbelmyne Joined Mon 01/14/08 Posts: 5356	Sat 02/02/08 12:16 PM
anybody ask Canada and Mexico what they might think of this??

symbelmyne Joined Mon 01/14/08 Posts: 5356	Sat 02/02/08 12:18 PM
Do you mind if I think out loud a little bit and tell you the whole story in a few lines? America (land of Heaven) You ever heard of Atlantis and LEMUR, 2 great civilizations comparable to ours , blown off the map ,because of similar situation to ours: SATAN vs. GOD The Satan Forces are ruling our govt, we let it happen. If we can get them out of there and on trial, this earth does not need to be destroyed.But if we do not stop them then America will be destroyed too like Atlantis and Lemur were. Another side reason for bombing Baghdad.That is where all the old records were kept to tell us the truth about those old Civilizations, The Satanists knew these records were there and wanted them destroyed.Israels Leaders would have been openly exposed through those records, Why do so many countries call us the GreatSatan? And also Little IsraeL? These Satanists don't believe in our God,They believe only in Satan and stealing little kids to torture. I think many of these secret organizations are guilty of crimes , even murder among the top members. the little members at the bottom are just nice little decoys unknowingly.They say where there is smoke ,there is fire, I would like to investigate the Bohemian Grove and many others, the funny thing the most important people seem to belong to many of these Skull and bones type organizations. I think Russia is way ahead of us in figuring this problem out. We are supposed to be a Christian nation, but I don't think we have many Christian leaders, It seems that Christians are not tolerated very well in our govt. Remember the Kennedy Family. ummm...dude...did you, like, drop a lot of acid back in the 60s?

Shaden Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 6118	Sat 02/02/08 12:21 PM Edited by Shaden on Sat 02/02/08 12:22 PM
I have not heard about this and I am sure glad I'm not the one making the decisions. Sometimes the "new and improved" is so not improved! Acid---Who has any Mr. Natural? joke

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Sat 02/02/08 01:02 PM Edited by voileazur on Sat 02/02/08 01:08 PM
anybody ask Canada and Mexico what they might think of this?? There is no media play of this particular conspiracy-fiction north of your border. Not in Quebec anyway. With regards to the SSP, there is criticism for lack of transparency over the manner in which both Bush and Harper manage the whole thing. This was most apparent when the three leaders, US, Canada and Mexico, met in Montebello, Quebec, this past summer. From my vantage point, the oveall canadian criticism, has more to do with the economic prejudice suffered for the illusive and obessive US internal security imperative. Canada is willing to cooperate on the US 'homeland security' agenda, but not at the incredible economic cost of aimless and counterproductive administrative 'red-tape', and border slow-down. Ensuring true 'homeland security' in the US is most legitimate. Addressing this legitimate issue, with an artillery of noisy public relations and empty, ineffectve 'symbolic' moves, where the only results show up in the form of aggravation for everyone, doesn't 'security ensure'!!! So the SSP intent to correct those serious short circuits, is well understood and well received. That being said, the grossly slow and amateurish and ineffective execution of the plan, is essentially the taget of canadian criticism.

curios789 Joined Mon 12/03/07 Posts: 3156	Sat 02/02/08 01:13 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash.

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Sat 02/02/08 01:20 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash. 'greekboy08' made the common error, or 'sin' should he be a practicing christian, of 'bearing false witness'. It was quite a few posts ago. I don't think he meant it. And I trust he knows better now!!!

Starsailor2851 Joined Mon 07/02/07 Posts: 1430	Sat 02/02/08 01:22 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash. Someone in Clinton's camp is the one who first released that information to the entire press, all which responded to it, so get a clue, direct your attacks better.

curios789 Joined Mon 12/03/07 Posts: 3156	Sat 02/02/08 01:27 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash. Someone in Clinton's camp is the one who first released that information to the entire press, all which responded to it, so get a clue, direct your attacks better. That still doesn't null the fact that Fox News CONTINUOUSLY attacks Obama for the most retarded things. The blame falls on the media for playing things up without researching them properly, not on the people who originally leaked the information to the media.

Starsailor2851 Joined Mon 07/02/07 Posts: 1430	Sat 02/02/08 01:36 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash. Someone in Clinton's camp is the one who first released that information to the entire press, all which responded to it, so get a clue, direct your attacks better. That still doesn't null the fact that Fox News CONTINUOUSLY attacks Obama for the most retarded things. The blame falls on the media for playing things up without researching them properly, not on the people who originally leaked the information to the media. Well no kidding the media always plays things up, they do it for ratings, and somehow it always works. Fox News is #1 in Cable News by far, and obviously they have been doing something very right for a long time now. However, to simply attack one of the many news stations out there shows incredible bias and hatred.

curios789 Joined Mon 12/03/07 Posts: 3156	Sat 02/02/08 01:40 PM
This is what happens when we elect democrats for office!!! If this country elects obama bin laden as president i might just move to greece!! I dont understand how the american people could even think about voting for a muslim!!! Wow, someone has been watching too much Fox News. Obama is not a Muslim. You need to stop watching that conservative trash. Someone in Clinton's camp is the one who first released that information to the entire press, all which responded to it, so get a clue, direct your attacks better. That still doesn't null the fact that Fox News CONTINUOUSLY attacks Obama for the most retarded things. The blame falls on the media for playing things up without researching them properly, not on the people who originally leaked the information to the media. Well no kidding the media always plays things up, they do it for ratings, and somehow it always works. Fox News is #1 in Cable News by far, and obviously they have been doing something very right for a long time now. However, to simply attack one of the many news stations out there shows incredible bias and hatred. And a news station attacking a presidential candidate constantly doesn't? We all know how horribly biased news stations are...hell, everything has bias. I just simply pointed out that Fox News is EXTREMELY conservatively biased. You can't just look at an extremely biased source and then attack a candidate without knowing whether or not the information is true.

symbelmyne Joined Mon 01/14/08 Posts: 5356	Sat 02/02/08 01:55 PM
since when did conjuncture, opinion, and half-truths become news? Did the US get dumber since I left? You REALLY believe that "fox news", reports news?....they are a political spin-machine, serving the interests of the right-wing conservatives. yes...before I get slammed, the left-wingers have their own spin-machines... my point is there is no objective journalism in the US anymore, you want to be informed you've got to be more than a ditto-head...

curios789 Joined Mon 12/03/07 Posts: 3156	Sat 02/02/08 01:58 PM
since when did conjuncture, opinion, and half-truths become news? Did the US get dumber since I left? You REALLY believe that "fox news", reports news?....they are a political spin-machine, serving the interests of the right-wing conservatives. yes...before I get slammed, the left-wingers have their own spin-machines... my point is there is no objective journalism in the US anymore, you want to be informed you've got to be more than a ditto-head... Exactly my point. People base their opinions off of biased sources, that don't report the truth. You have to be educated and informed in order to formulate an opinion that's worth listening to. I wasn't attacking conservatives, I was attacking the bias of news sources. If you're going to make an attack on a person in the public eye, especially a presidential candidate, don't use a biased source as your evidence.