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funches my sweet.....she is Jewish........not Christian......I don't know what they believe as far as free will.......dang you guys are going to scare her away......   ..er..feralcatlady I may be wrong but I never heard of jewish people running away in horror because someone said the words "Free Will" ... Well it might be nice to see how she stands on it first.....  well you may have a point....ok then I guess the best thing to do is to "google cut and paste" the entire dictionary and e-mail it to her and she can cross off the ones that are not politically correct to the Jewish religion
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Meanwhile, if you look at the earths magnetic field, meteoritic dust, atmospheric helium, salt in the sea as well as evidence pointing towards Noahs flood; all point an age of the earth which unfortunately to evolutionists, is too short a lifespan to accommodate evolution! Just Flood evidence ALONE is astounding. Just for the sake of any sane people reading this thread I would like to point out that the above quote about Noah’s flood is total bunk without any merit whatsoever. For the sane person, let me assure you that many scientists themselves are indeed of the Christian faith, and they have looked into the idea of trying to tie in a great flood to explain various observations concerning geological evolution. The bottom lines is that there is absolutely no evidence that any such great flood occurred. The data simply can’t be made to fit that model no matter how grossly out of shape it is contorted. LOL!!!! Abra, they have found SHELLS and FISHBONES on the TOP of mountains And spare me the "birds carried it there" excuse if thats the only rebuttal you have in your quiver because that is bullocks. If you know ANYTHING about the fossilization process you'd know that the body would need to be buried QUICKLY. You've got fossil graveyards meaning there have been found graveyards of fossilized animals all over the world. In order to be fossilized, they need to be buried quickly; flood. You've got Polystrate fossils: large animals or tree trunks that extent through several strata often 6m in thickness. These had to be buried fast because the top parts are just as preserved as the bottom. but hold on......arent these strata of seditment supposed to represent "millions of years of rock?" yet here we find trees and animals breaching them. hmmmmm. You've got the frozen animals of siberia Northern Siberia and into Alaska are buried the remains of aprx 5 million mammoths. These mammoths where frozen SO FAST that they have been found, thawed out and used to feed DOGS. They died SO FAST that mammoths have been found with preserved undigested food in their stomachs and food in their MOUTHS. Sheep, camels rhinos, bison, horses, tigers, oxen, lions and many other animals have been found imbedded in the ice. no process anywhere today is comparable to that which entombed and preserved those animals. You've got vast coal and oil beds. Do you know what these are Abra? Do you know how these are formed Abra? They are the remains of living organisms. Coal from plants (temperature and pressure effects). Coal is even found in antartica. (which means there were plants there once, if you havent put 2 and 2 together yet). Uniformitarianism tries to claim that coal and oil formation requires 'millions of years' however this has been proven incorrect in labs. [qoute] This claim that Noah’s flood could account for geological evidence is totally unwarranted hype put out by hopeful creationists in a last gasp attempt to salvage what they see as an extremely threatened theological picture. As I have just outlined above, you clearly are 100% ignorant. The purpose of Creationists is clear. Evolution presents a real threat to their belief system that claims that a God exists who will offer them eternal life. They mistakenly believe that it all comes down to “God vs Evolution”. They can’t coexist! Or so they believe. That’s what the whole argument is about to begin with. It’s an argument that these things can’t possibly coexist, therefore one of them must be wrong! That’s the mindset of a Creationist. You have no idea what evolution is! If you DID you'd see that it is ludicrous! You also are completely ignorant to the MASSIVE evidence that points to a single catastrophe that wiped out millions of animals. For you to argue evolutions case, is like blindman trying to describe the rainbow. Most Christians I know accept evolution and don’t see it as a threat to their belief system. They simply don’t take the Bible so literally. In fact, many people that I personally know genuinely believe that the story of Noah’s flood is a parable and was never meant to be an actual historical event. So there is a wide range of beliefs out there surrounding a single dogmatic account of earth’s history. Evolution isnt a threat to any religion. Many Christians just assume because the "experts" give them "evidence" of evolution so they conclude "thats how God made us" And the people you know that see the flood as a parable obviously are just as blind as you. The problem with evolution is that it is incorrect, yet it is being preached as TRUTH. Just as they used to preach that the body REMAKES BLOOD instead of a circulatory system. They taught this for 500 years! Creationists are literalists for the most part. But the Bible makes no sense when taken literally. It must be taken as inspirational parables. It becomes self-inconsistent and contradictory if taken verbatim. Therefore it doesn’t even make any sense in its own right when viewed that way. Yea reaaal smart Abra. Take Revelations and try to understand it by reading it literally. You have no concept of how to read the bible so who are you give your 2c? its called cross referencing. Just like izrabbit1's pathetic attempt to debunk Jesus; it was not cross referenced and taken literally...i did a ONE MINUTE search and found the cross reference which debunked his claim. So the verbatim approach to the biblical stories is doomed to fail on its own merit, even without external knowledge such as evolution. Like I said, you along with the rest of the million people that have said the same thing have know idea how to cross reference. You are unqualified. |
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The sad thing is exactly this was done in Evolution Vs Creation thread......and still they fight....and still they rebuke.....But I must say untamed, I like your style......I told them exactly what you are here.....Flood Flood Flood.....but they still want to stick to their story.....so in the end....I say this......We will see....yes we will see.
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LOL!!!! Abra, they have found SHELLS and FISHBONES on the TOP of mountains And spare me the "birds carried it there" excuse if thats the only rebuttal you have in your quiver because that is bullocks. There isn’t any sense in reading past your words above. They are totally absurd and show a gross ignorance of any knowledge of even the most basic rudiments of scientific knowledge today. May I ask if you’ve graduated from Kindergarten yet? You've got fossil graveyards meaning there have been found graveyards of fossilized animals all over the world. In order to be fossilized, they need to be buried quickly; flood. The vast majority of fossils are marine life. And yes it’s quite natural that they are found on mountains because mountains used to be on the sea floor. Take geology 101 for crying out loud. Fossils of land dwelling animals are indeed rare in comparison, but the reason we find them is because they had millions of years to accumulate. Actually if we accept your theory of a short earthy life, then there wouldn’t be any fossils at all hardly. You’ve blown your own case clean out of the water and don’t even realize it because of your gross lack of education in the sciences. If you’re going to address a topic the least you can do is learn a little something about it first. I’ve already posted indisputable astronomical proof that the earth cannot be less than millions of years old. To believe otherwise would require that you believe in a deceiving God. You’re arguments aren’t even based on science. You say, “Birds carried fossils to mountain tops”? That’s not science. Have you been reading Nursery Rhymes lately or something? If you’re going to address scientific topics the least you can do is try to get them correct first. |
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Faith cannot be proven. False. millions of Christians around the world will give you testimony to faith. Its what I've been saying all along: EXPERIENCE. Once you've had it, you KNOW. Faith is irrational. wrong again. Experience. Faith is a personal thing. o rly? no wai! serious? rlllly? Faith should never be viewed as some sort of absolute truth. Yet again, experience. Faith cannot be argued on the basis of logic. Thats why proof of God is to the individual. Why doesnt God do 'signs'? because signs are all around us. We are more than capable to see that we arent an 'accident' but ignorance prevails. And finally, having faith in a book does not equate to having faith in a God. Right. but having faith in Gods Word equates. Yet again, experience. Attempting to claim that a book is verbatim truth is not going to make God any more real. wrong again; experience. If a person is going to have faith they should at least try to understand what faith is! It’s a delusion that a person accepts as their truth. Wow. you have NO idea what faith is! No WONDER you see religion as 'regional myths'. That’s what faith means and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with whether or not any God actually exists.  you're so way off the map Abra is very sad. |
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Frankly, I don't really care where we came from...I'm more concerned about where we are heading...  OMG! Signs of true intelligence! Bless you dear. The world could surely use more people like you!  Abra, can you see how your response here shows how much you dont know? Where we came from and where we are going to arent separate.
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C'mon. Why should God even bother with evolution when he could quite easily use an incredibly powerful shrink ray gun on the two (or was it seven?) Seismosaurs, T-rexes, Argentinasaurs, Mastodons, Apatosaurs, Titanosaurs, etc. to shrink 'em down so they could all fit on a 450 ft boat? Any other explanation would require MASSIVE FAITH.  What a naive statement. Why do you think there are fossils of dragonfiles with HUGE wingspans? why is it that in the old testament people lived to extraordinary age? Do you have any idea what the climate difference was between pre and post-flood? like I said, this is outlined in Sylvia's book. No. No. No. It's not "naive". It's faith. Like I've said before, in the realm of the supernatural, ANYTHING is a go! Sorry. I missed your earlier point. Was that book by Sylvia Browne? |
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I got a little theory that can tie evolution and creation together. I am not a Christian anymore, bear with me. I'm trying to help. Your god created everything in a week, yes? At the end of the week, he took a siesta, yes? Six days on, one day to rest. Your god is the ultimate power of the universe, right? Nothing is greater or more powerful. Immortal and whatnot... Then you gotta ask yourself one question. How long is a 'god' day? The old man put in six of them before he needed to rest. How often does the ultimate power of everything need to rest? I'm betting that a god day is a hell of a lot longer then ours. If he took his time, making changes slowly, morphing things into the form he wanted, wouldn't that be called evolution? God didnt need to rest. I dont know that they taught you in sunday school back in the day mate, but thats not right! According the the bible, it states in one part that 1 day to God is 1000 years to us. whether or not genesis was using "God days" or our days, we dont know. The 1=1000 thing comes from the studies of Revelations and the "day of judgement" meaning, a "God day/1000 years to us". BUT if it WAS "God days" then the earth will STILL not be "old" enough to accommodate evolution. |
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God didn't need rest, but God did stop creating. Well if that's your interpretation then what are we supposed to do on the Sabbath? Clearly not 'rest' according to you. Yet again Abra, thanks for showing just how much you know of the Bible. Zlich. |
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Where we came from and where we are going to arent separate. I believe that is true for you. You do appear to be stuck in a rut. Best of luck to you.
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.er..feralcatlady I may be wrong but I never heard of jewish people running away in horror because someone said the words "Free Will" ...
Well it might be nice to see how she stands on it first..... OK...first I'm a Qabbalist,(sp?) thats jewish phylosophy/mysticism, Im not a Rabbi so my views are limited to my own opinions..that being said... Free will is the boon/bane of man's existence and the gift/curse from god. We have the ability to choose..that came from the moment Eve/Adam bit from the fruit of "forbidden" knowledge. They became "aware" of themselves, from that moment on god lost all dominion over his favorite creation. We choose to follow god,or not, thus proving the powerlessness of god. All s/he can do is wait and hope and love unconditionally, (which is what I believe the divine is) The torah, is gods word, the most powerful and wonderous creation of god (I meant the 'word",not doctrine), through the word humanity has a vehicle for understanding the divine. Problem is "the word" is subjective thus conflict and chaos (as evidenced by this and other similar posts). When Abraham asked the devine "who are you" the answer was "I am", ...thus awareness, like what happened to Eve and Adam. In effect the awakening of the devine in ourselves. The divine has no choice, but we do...thus free will...and the devil's playground... Thats my spin on it... |
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Yet again Abra, thanks for showing just how much you know of the Bible. Anytime Untamed. I'm always glad to be of assistance to lost sheep. 
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UNtamed a true person seeking knowledge reads more than one book,even ones that don't agree with his preconceived notions. evolution has more basis in fact then a man screwing his sister and producing genetically mutated offspring.I also can't believe one couple could produce so many children in such a short time yet you buy this.Did it ever occur to you that God has a hand in evolution?After all we are God's ant farm... Why would someone search for God once they have already found Him? If I buy a metal detector, go to the beach, find something, dig it up....and then carry on digging...what does that make me? You're reading the bible word for word. do you rip out your eyes and cut of your limbs when you sin with them? why not? exactly. "one couple in such a short time" ?? Tell me about this short time. and please, to elaborate on how you know that this was a incestuous procreation producing deformed offspring. |
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"one couple in such a short time" ?? You're the one who's demanding the quickie with your 6,000 year old earth.
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LOL!!!! Abra, they have found SHELLS and FISHBONES on the TOP of mountains And spare me the "birds carried it there" excuse if thats the only rebuttal you have in your quiver because that is bullocks. There isn’t any sense in reading past your words above. They are totally absurd and show a gross ignorance of any knowledge of even the most basic rudiments of scientific knowledge today. May I ask if you’ve graduated from Kindergarten yet? Good Abra, ignore the facts, close your eyes and block your ears. Resort to insult because you are stuck in a corner like a scared monkey. You've got fossil graveyards meaning there have been found graveyards of fossilized animals all over the world. In order to be fossilized, they need to be buried quickly; flood. The vast majority of fossils are marine life. And yes it’s quite natural that they are found on mountains because mountains used to be on the sea floor. Take geology 101 for crying out loud. Yes and WHY Abra, are the vast majority of these animals marine life? think about it. Did noah take fishtanks on the Arc? Did noah take the megalodon (sp? giant great white) onboard? No. Just your statement ALONE points to the Great Flood! Since the 'majority' of the animals were marine life, it goes hand in hand with what happened in the Flood. But you are ignorant and naive of what occurred. Its the extreme state of denial. Fossils of land dwelling animals are indeed rare in comparison, but the reason we find them is because they had millions of years to accumulate. Did you even READ my post? You couldnt have, because if you did, you wouldnt have written something so weak as a rebuttal. Actually if we accept your theory of a short earthy life, then there wouldn’t be any fossils at all hardly. Abra, when you reply to a post, its best that you actually read its content to avoid looking like a moron as you have unfortunately done so here. You’ve blown your own case clean out of the water and don’t even realize it because of your gross lack of education in the sciences. If you’re going to address a topic the least you can do is learn a little something about it first. Im so embarressed for you here Abra, I think you were talking to yourself when you posted this. I’ve already posted indisputable astronomical proof that the earth cannot be less than millions of years old. To believe otherwise would require that you believe in a deceiving God. Well you obviously have done a half-ass study because if you did post 'indisputable astronmical proof' you would have seen the flaws. but like I said, extreme state of denial. My grandfather had it too. He went from Catholic to atheist, and on his death bed you converted to Christianity. You’re arguments aren’t even based on science. You say, “Birds carried fossils to mountain tops”? That’s not science. Abra!? LOL! You say I need to go back to pre-school! You cant even articulate this conversation properly! The "birds carried" response is a COMMON rebuttal by ignorant evolutionists to the "shells and fish found on mountains" statement. I beginning to think that you are incapable of understanding such things. Maybe when you die, you'll be guilty of mens rea! Have you been reading Nursery Rhymes lately or something? If you’re going to address scientific topics the least you can do is try to get them correct first. Getting frustrated Abra? |
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C'mon. Why should God even bother with evolution when he could quite easily use an incredibly powerful shrink ray gun on the two (or was it seven?) Seismosaurs, T-rexes, Argentinasaurs, Mastodons, Apatosaurs, Titanosaurs, etc. to shrink 'em down so they could all fit on a 450 ft boat? Any other explanation would require MASSIVE FAITH. What a naive statement. Why do you think there are fossils of dragonfiles with HUGE wingspans? why is it that in the old testament people lived to extraordinary age? Do you have any idea what the climate difference was between pre and post-flood? like I said, this is outlined in Sylvia's book. No. No. No. It's not "naive". It's faith. Like I've said before, in the realm of the supernatural, ANYTHING is a go! Sorry. I missed your earlier point. Was that book by Sylvia Browne? Bone of contention, is evolution true? Syliva baker. |
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Jesus, the jewish rabbi? Or Jesus, the martyr of christians? ..I ask this not to be trite, it does make a difference in point of view about what it being said.... you dont get to "imply" the meaning of gods word. only obey...it not a buffet, you cant pick and choose what is conveniant. If you can't find the the answers you seek in the torah (the old testament) its because you're not asking the right questions. That's a rather lame dodge. The scripture I quoted clearly said that WHOSOEVER works on Sabbath shall be stoned. So God demands that women work on Sabbath and demands they be killed for it? Something is wrong with this picture. |
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.er..feralcatlady I may be wrong but I never heard of jewish people running away in horror because someone said the words "Free Will" ... Well it might be nice to see how she stands on it first..... OK...first I'm a Qabbalist,(sp?) thats jewish phylosophy/mysticism, Im not a Rabbi so my views are limited to my own opinions..that being said... Free will is the boon/bane of man's existence and the gift/curse from god. We have the ability to choose..that came from the moment Eve/Adam bit from the fruit of "forbidden" knowledge. They became "aware" of themselves, from that moment on god lost all dominion over his favorite creation. We choose to follow god,or not, thus proving the powerlessness of god. All s/he can do is wait and hope and love unconditionally, (which is what I believe the divine is) The torah, is gods word, the most powerful and wonderous creation of god (I meant the 'word",not doctrine), through the word humanity has a vehicle for understanding the divine. Problem is "the word" is subjective thus conflict and chaos (as evidenced by this and other similar posts). When Abraham asked the devine "who are you" the answer was "I am", ...thus awareness, like what happened to Eve and Adam. In effect the awakening of the devine in ourselves. The divine has no choice, but we do...thus free will...and the devil's playground... Thats my spin on it... Thank you and thats what I wanted to know is where you were coming from. |
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Dont forget time and place, the only adults around then were men, women, children, slaves, animals...all property of the adults IE men..this DOES make a difference when interpreting scripture. Women didn't belong to their husbands and had the right to divorce their husband for lack of affection. Women could and did own property, including slaves and animals. I don't know where you are hearing these interpretations of the Bible, but they are not grounded in fact. |
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Jesus, the jewish rabbi? Or Jesus, the martyr of christians? ..I ask this not to be trite, it does make a difference in point of view about what it being said.... you dont get to "imply" the meaning of gods word. only obey...it not a buffet, you cant pick and choose what is conveniant. If you can't find the the answers you seek in the torah (the old testament) its because you're not asking the right questions. That's a rather lame dodge. The scripture I quoted clearly said that WHOSOEVER works on Sabbath shall be stoned. So God demands that women work on Sabbath and demands they be killed for it? Something is wrong with this picture. Its not a lame dodge, its a point of view. Different from yours but no less valid. You are implying that your way is the only way. I certainly am not interested in converting anyone, I only want to engage in an exchange of ideas. |
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