spin spin spin away from the subject and your disgusting responses

I said nothing discusting unless you wear your feelings on your sleeve. still I wonder why a man with your convictions hasnt enlisted as they are in dire need of your services. think how your enlistment will allow just one man on multiple tours to spend a little more time stateside with his family.....that would be more meaningfull to them than any propoganda you spew here.

You could be doing the samething .

I had an uneventfull service record and had an honorable discharge

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Thank you D'arlin

This a personal attack on all GIs, including me. But if the moderator thinks it's fair game then that goes to show how one sided this forum truly is. Madisonman well played

I think you interpeted it wrong myself.........and chose to take it as an insult. I said GI's gave war a bad name by simply telling of the horror's of war it was not meant as a slam against them but against war itself.

"GI's are the ones that gave war such a bad name" - Madisonman

do you know many Gi's who speak lovingly of war outside the movies?

B as in B, S as in S

If only that was the meaning behind your statement, not one conceived after long thought trying to figure out a way to cover yourself.

Some of the participants in that "good war" had second thoughts. Former GI Tommy Bridges, who after the war became a policeman in Michigan, expressed his feelings to Studs Terkel:

It was a useless war, as every war is.... How gaddamn foolish it is, the war. They's no war in the world that's worth fighting for, I don't care where it is. They can't tell me any different. Money, money is the thing that causes it all. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that the people that start wars and promote'em are the men that make the money, make the ammunition, make the clothing and so forth. Just think of the poor kids that are starvin' to death in Asia and so forth that could be fed with how much you make one big shell out of.

Higher up in the military ranks was Admiral Gene LaRocque, who also spoke to Studs Terkel about the war:

I had been in thirteen battle engagements, had sunk a submarine, and was the first man ashore in the landing at Roi. In that four years, I thought, What a hell of a waste of a man's life. I lost a lot of friends. I had the task of telling my roommate's parents about our last days together. You lose limbs, sight, part of your life--for what? Old men send young men to war. Flag, banners, and patriotic sayings...

We've institutionalized militarism. This came out of World War Two.... It gave us the National Security Council. It gave us the CIA, that is able to spy on you and me this very moment. For the first time in the history of man, a country has divided up the world into military districts.... You could argue World War Two had to be fought. Hitler had to be stopped. Unfortunately, we translate it unchanged to the situation today....

I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. We take it away from them. They don't die for the honor and glory of their country. We kill them.

Granted that we have started in this century with the notion of just war, we don't have to keep it. Perhaps the change in our thinking can be as dramatic, as clear, as that in the life of a French general, whose obituary in 1986 was headed: "Gen. Jacques Paris de Bollardiere, War Hero Who Became a Pacifist, Dead at the age of 78."

He had served in the Free French Forces in Africa during World War II, later parachuted into France and Holland to organize the Resistance, and commanded an airborne unit in Indochina from 1946 to 1953. But in 1957, according to the obituary, he "caused an uproar in the French army when he asked to be relieved of his command in Algeria to protest the torture of Algerian rebels. In 1961 he began to speak out against militarism and nuclear weapons. He created an organization called The Alternative Movement for Non-Violence and in 1973 participated in a protest expedition to France's South Pacific nuclear testing site.

It remains to be seen how many people in our time will make that journey from war to nonviolent action against war. It is the great challenge or our time: How to achieve justice, with struggle, but without war.
http://co.quaker.org/Writings/JustAndUnjustWar.htm

scroll back and see what I said to dragoness about this...it explains it well enough I think

here you go I did it for you....

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Yes I can,t believe how soon some people forget how we watched in disbelief as captive American soldiers had their heads hacked off for the world including families to see. People want to blame their own country instead of where it belongs in Iraq. They brought this on with years of tyranny and murder and rape and breaking international laws.

Day after day I hear that grease ball Lou Dobbs Whinning and sniveling about whats wrong with America I say there is alot right with it. To my knowledge Dobbs hasen,t got off his big fat ass to do anything but complain.

your argument may hold some water had not america supported Saddam through the worst of his atrocities in the 80's our country turned a blind eye to yet another client state that has no use for human rights and can you honeslty say 5 years after we invaded the Iraqis are better off?

I refuse to watch, that's encouraging the acts. I was horrified but not in disbelief. Where were these soldiers captured? What did you expect to happen when you invade another country? I blame our government for putting them in harm's way.