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Hi Di... long time no see...
 School keeping ya busy? |
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Whomever has placed a label upon me...  I am good, no worries... I attempt to love all in spite of my own faults... ok good I was just wondering...I would not label the creative soul. 
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feral, I hope you take this the right way... You said: I do and I have.....and I think it's rather bold for you to assume that some that are Christians don't follow Christ's teachings as Christ intended them to be. I wonder how bold you would think me to be if I were to say that all who believe that the only way to heaven is through Jesus... Who believe that 'God' sent Jesus to die for our sins... ANSWER: YES That believe that Jesus believed that he was sent to die for man's sin... ANSWER: YES Who cherish the notion of the murder of Jesus, and call it 'salvation'... ANSWER: YES But I also think that God saw the whole picture and it was known before Jesus came to earth what was going to happen. And some may think that is cruel and yes it is....but the other side to that would of been what? Those who do not believe that 'God' and the 'kingdom of heaven' is found within one, without the need for murder... ANSWER: It is to a certain extent but much much more then that. Those who believe in 'God' having human emotions... ANSWER: I would have to say no on this one. Those who believe that 'God' has a name... God has a lot of names Those who feel that they are 'made in God's image' from the rib of Adam or are descendants of Adam and Eve... ANSWER: YES I believe that man was made in God's image....but I also think again your not looking at the whole picture on that. Meaning God created us to be good, and too know what h wanted for our lives. As this is not up to us.....Which doesn't mean to say that you can't live how you want....but again if not done his way.....well then I guess you will have to see. Those who feel as though Christianity is being persecuted in Jesus' name... ANSWER: I would say no....I would say people that believe their own way feel this way....But for me no. Those who believe in the devil... ANSWER: Yes In the 'antichrist'... ANSWER: same as satan In revelations... ANSWER: YES Those who think 'God' needs your money... ANSWER: NO and I give the money in order to support my church and it's ministries. Give from the heart and soul or don't give it serves no purpose otherwise. Those who believe that there are roads paved with 'gold' in 'heaven'... ANSWER: Silly Those who believed that Jesus walked on water... ANSWER: Yes I think that those people are just plain.... Um.... Er.... Ummm.... Well lemme see.... Ummm..... How can I put this?... I think ALL of those people are just as wonderful as any other, and walk their own path for their own reason(s)... Just keep your hell to yourself, if you don't mind... it is not mine, it belongs to you and your belief system... I would rather not have you 'praying' for me... Respect this, if you would... If you could be so kind... AS I EXPECT THE SAME.......And don't come to rooms and say we don't have a right to our beliefs, because just as you have yours so do I. And don't think that people should only accept you beleifs as truth...as they need to seek and find it for themselves. etc etc etc |
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feral.... what in the world is this?:
AS I EXPECT THE SAME.......And don't come to rooms and say we don't have a right to our beliefs, because just as you have yours so do I. And don't think that people should only accept you beleifs as truth...as they need to seek and find it for themselves. Did you not read this?: I think ALL of those people are just as wonderful as any other, and walk their own path for their own reason(s)... You have never, ever, read my words saying that someone else does not have the right to believe what they choose to... And you never will... |
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Here is a fine example of twisting the meaning of a parable...
I have quoted the parable and left the so-called translation out of quotes... According to Christianity... 26 And he said, "The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed upon the ground, 27 and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he knows not how. 28 The earth produces of itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. 29 But when the grain is ripe, at once he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come." Meditation: This parable speaks of growth and harvest -- a continual process both in the natural sphere as well as the spiritual. A seed cannot bear fruit unless it first dies and is buried in the earth (see John 12:26). While harvest is the culmination or climax of nature's cycle, it also provides seed for future sowing. God's kingdom works in similar fashion. It starts from the smallest of beginnings in the hearts of men and women who are receptive to God's word. And it works unseen and causes a transformation from within. Just as a seed has no power to produce life of itself until it is planted in the earth, so we cannot be born again as a new creation in Christ until God makes us new in the power of his Holy Spirit. In baptism we die with Christ and we are raised as sons and daughters of God. The coming of God's kingdom causes a transformation in life, like the tiny seed which first sprouts, then grows and bears fruit in abundance. In like manner, the hidden life of Christ grows first in the receptive heart of a believer and then transforms that person into a noble and useful vessel of Christ-like holiness and spiritual power (see 2 Cor. 4:7 and 2 Tim. 2:21). Do you seek to be transformed in Christ? That parable said nothing of the sort!!! Outrageous!!!  It specifically says that man knows not how... It specifically said that the earth produces of itself(self-sustaining)... It says NOTHING of being 'transformed in Christ'... It says nothing of the 'coming of God's kingdom... It claims that the kingdom is like the earth... self-sustaining... You reap what you sow... |
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feral.... what in the world is this?: AS I EXPECT THE SAME.......And don't come to rooms and say we don't have a right to our beliefs, because just as you have yours so do I. And don't think that people should only accept you beleifs as truth...as they need to seek and find it for themselves. Did you not read this?: I think ALL of those people are just as wonderful as any other, and walk their own path for their own reason(s)... You have never, ever, read my words saying that someone else does not have the right to believe what they choose to... And you never will... I wasn't addressing it to you...just in general |
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Here is a fine example of twisting the meaning of a parable... I have quoted the parable and left the so-called translation out of quotes... According to Christianity... 26 And he said, "The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed upon the ground, 27 and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he knows not how. 28 The earth produces of itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. 29 But when the grain is ripe, at once he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come." Meditation: This parable speaks of growth and harvest -- a continual process both in the natural sphere as well as the spiritual. A seed cannot bear fruit unless it first dies and is buried in the earth (see John 12:26). While harvest is the culmination or climax of nature's cycle, it also provides seed for future sowing. God's kingdom works in similar fashion. It starts from the smallest of beginnings in the hearts of men and women who are receptive to God's word. And it works unseen and causes a transformation from within. Just as a seed has no power to produce life of itself until it is planted in the earth, so we cannot be born again as a new creation in Christ until God makes us new in the power of his Holy Spirit. In baptism we die with Christ and we are raised as sons and daughters of God. The coming of God's kingdom causes a transformation in life, like the tiny seed which first sprouts, then grows and bears fruit in abundance. In like manner, the hidden life of Christ grows first in the receptive heart of a believer and then transforms that person into a noble and useful vessel of Christ-like holiness and spiritual power (see 2 Cor. 4:7 and 2 Tim. 2:21). Do you seek to be transformed in Christ? That parable said nothing of the sort!!! Outrageous!!! It specifically says that man knows not how... It specifically said that the earth produces of itself(self-sustaining)... It says NOTHING of being 'transformed in Christ'... It says nothing of the 'coming of God's kingdom... It claims that the kingdom is like the earth... self-sustaining... You reap what you sow... |
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I would like to know where you claim to get this "so-called information" The scripture isn't even the right scripture for what your talking about....so you have kind of lost me...
parable of the soil is Matthew 13 as is of themustard seed. |
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Mark 4:26-29
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Thanks Creative much better. This is much more complicated then you are making it out to be.....As I don't have the good time right now to put into this. I promise I will......In the meantime look at the following scriptures as they are directly tied in Joel 3:13, Hos 6:11 Rev 14:19 Is 63:3. And then we will go over it tomorrow.....If you still want.....If not...way ok too......
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Edited by
nuenjins
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I personally believe that Christianity has walked away from what Jesus spoke... FUNCHY BABY "just as Christianity walked away from God's word in the Old Testament because if was impossible for the average person with a conscious to follow God's word as it is impossible for the average educated person to follow the teachings of Jesus and the claim that Jesus is God or the son of a God and that is why Christianity has little choice but to evolve into "New Age" " That's a friggin joke. I'ts all just words to you until 'you' experience Christ for 'you'. It's like you're talking about Santa Claus. You guys scoff and pat yourselves on the back. Christianity is too split to be generalized. many have sold out, many fake, and many just plain SUCK. But when Christs spirit moves and you get in tune. Real miracles and overwhelming love are indescibable for those outside to even "try to relate". All Christianity should really say is "COME JOIN THE PARTY" That's the REAL reasurrected Jesus. Philosophize all you want.  
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I personally believe that Christianity has walked away from what Jesus spoke... FUNCHY BABY "just as Christianity walked away from God's word in the Old Testament because if was impossible for the average person with a conscious to follow God's word as it is impossible for the average educated person to follow the teachings of Jesus and the claim that Jesus is God or the son of a God and that is why Christianity has little choice but to evolve into "New Age" That's a friggin joke. I'ts all just words to you until 'you' experience Christ for 'you'. It's like you're talking about Santa Claus. You guys scoff and pat yourselves on the back. Christianity is too split to be generalized. many have sold out, many fake, and many just plain SUCK. But when Christs spirit moves and you get in tune. Real miracles and overwhelming love are indescibable for those outside to even "try to relate". All Christianity should really say is "COME JOIN THE PARTY" That's the REAL reasurrected Jesus. Philosophize all you want. Im loving what you said........thanks for putting in the fun zelous way in which you did nuenjins. |
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Welcome "TOOTS".
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Hi ninja man...
Lately, I have often wondered how you have been... seems as though you have not been around much... life keeps us busy...for sure. I wanted to comment on a couple of things in your post. But when Christs spirit moves and you get in tune. Real miracles and overwhelming love are indescibable for those outside to even "try to relate". All Christianity should really say is "COME JOIN THE PARTY" That's the REAL reasurrected Jesus. Philosophize all you want. Indeed it is hard to describe the feeling that comes from within... the 'spirit' is indeed an experience of revelation. Christianity and crucifixion do not equal spirit or revelation... only the shedding of the worldy fingerprint, the 'removal' of thief teaching's affects, the intuitive essence of one at peace with self... I so despise labels and names... it is too bad that humans must use this type of communication... Do not assume that just because one claims not Christianity that one has not the spirit which is attributed only to Christ by Christianity. That is a mistaken judgement. |
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I think like in many religions that it is about a path by which we are to live. I know I can hope that there is a heaven, yet that is not the reason why I wish to live following the teachings of Christ.
I too feel that Christ is misrepresneted by the religiousness of many "Christians". Yet even they have a love for God and a devotion to Christ, but it is more after a pop-cultural version of Christ. That often where is beleived is more focused on how we live and Christ was really the opposite of this. It is important what we beleive but all of that is nullified if our lives do not follow after His teaching. His message was of love and peace, though many will say that he came to bring a sword, but that is more likely about the inner conflict within ones family over the issues of faith, as all religions, when we break away from the beliefs of our culture or family truely "swords" are drawn raise. I do not know where the origins of teaching originated, but I beleive they are not as much of one copying another but more that spiritual truth is spiritual truth, and most likely those who live by those truths have more in common in their pursuits thatn those who place one religion over another. What others beleive I do not need to challenge, I present the message of Christ for others to have a choice if that is what they wish to follow after. Christ was not after numbers but sincerity, commitment, and practice. He used the words, "if anyman will follow after me...." Therefore, no one has to that does not want to. After a great many turned away from Christ because of some of His teachings, He turned to His disciples and spoke to them. He did not plead for them to stay with Him because everyone else was going a different way. He only asked them, Would they too leave Him? What Peter said is what everyone who follows a path must realize, "Where else shall we go becuase you have the words of life." I would never hope to say come and beleive these things, but rather come and live this life, for is is good, it show us the way to what we all hope to find, a life of hope, meaning, that fulfills something within us. It is a path, a way, it is a life. Any who seek after love and peace and kindness toward others, will find that this is how Christ was and lived and what He taught. His gripe was against hypocrits, against those who suppose and oppress others by their teaching, He was against those who profitted by the means of their religiousness or who were prideful and arrogent and sought after the honor and recognition of men. Most Christians are not the friend of sinners, the poor and the outcast. Christ was. Todays Christianity focus on what the individual recieves, Christ focused on what we can give. Many focus on judging others and righteous indignation, Christ said he who is without sin cast the first stone. We focus on looking at the flaws of others yet Christ said, Behold the log is in your own eye, and that it is always the lesser speck in the eyes of our brother. How is it the world would know who are His disciples? Not by by the sign in front of our building, not by the cross around our necks, no by the quoting of scripture, or the correctness of our doctrine... BUT BY OUR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER. It is always easy to look for the flaws in things that we do not agree with. If one wishes to follow Christ, it is not about what building he goes to, about his beleif system. It is that he has heard a Voice that speaks to him and the voice rings true, and no matter what he cannot help himself but to follow after the things this voice said because all that he knows is that these are the words of LIFE. |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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I personally believe that Christianity has walked away from what Jesus spoke... FUNCHY BABY "just as Christianity walked away from God's word in the Old Testament because if was impossible for the average person with a conscious to follow God's word as it is impossible for the average educated person to follow the teachings of Jesus and the claim that Jesus is God or the son of a God and that is why Christianity has little choice but to evolve into "New Age" That's a friggin joke. I'ts all just words to you until 'you' experience Christ for 'you'. It's like you're talking about Santa Claus. You guys scoff and pat yourselves on the back. Christianity is too split to be generalized. many have sold out, many fake, and many just plain SUCK. But when Christs spirit moves and you get in tune. Real miracles and overwhelming love are indescibable for those outside to even "try to relate". All Christianity should really say is "COME JOIN THE PARTY" That's the REAL reasurrected Jesus. Philosophize all you want. right on Dude   thank you so very much
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I think like in many religions that it is about a path by which we are to live. I know I can hope that there is a heaven, yet that is not the reason why I wish to live following the teachings of Christ. I too feel that Christ is misrepresneted by the religiousness of many "Christians". Yet even they have a love for God and a devotion to Christ, but it is more after a pop-cultural version of Christ. That often where is beleived is more focused on how we live and Christ was really the opposite of this. It is important what we beleive but all of that is nullified if our lives do not follow after His teaching. His message was of love and peace, though many will say that he came to bring a sword, but that is more likely about the inner conflict within ones family over the issues of faith, as all religions, when we break away from the beliefs of our culture or family truely "swords" are drawn raise. I do not know where the origins of teaching originated, but I beleive they are not as much of one copying another but more that spiritual truth is spiritual truth, and most likely those who live by those truths have more in common in their pursuits thatn those who place one religion over another. What others beleive I do not need to challenge, I present the message of Christ for others to have a choice if that is what they wish to follow after. Christ was not after numbers but sincerity, commitment, and practice. He used the words, "if anyman will follow after me...." Therefore, no one has to that does not want to. After a great many turned away from Christ because of some of His teachings, He turned to His disciples and spoke to them. He did not plead for them to stay with Him because everyone else was going a different way. He only asked them, Would they too leave Him? What Peter said is what everyone who follows a path must realize, "Where else shall we go becuase you have the words of life." I would never hope to say come and beleive these things, but rather come and live this life, for is is good, it show us the way to what we all hope to find, a life of hope, meaning, that fulfills something within us. It is a path, a way, it is a life. Any who seek after love and peace and kindness toward others, will find that this is how Christ was and lived and what He taught. His gripe was against hypocrits, against those who suppose and oppress others by their teaching, He was against those who profitted by the means of their religiousness or who were prideful and arrogent and sought after the honor and recognition of men. Most Christians are not the friend of sinners, the poor and the outcast. Christ was. Todays Christianity focus on what the individual recieves, Christ focused on what we can give. Many focus on judging others and righteous indignation, Christ said he who is without sin cast the first stone. We focus on looking at the flaws of others yet Christ said, Behold the log is in your own eye, and that it is always the lesser speck in the eyes of our brother. How is it the world would know who are His disciples? Not by by the sign in front of our building, not by the cross around our necks, no by the quoting of scripture, or the correctness of our doctrine... BUT BY OUR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER. It is always easy to look for the flaws in things that we do not agree with. If one wishes to follow Christ, it is not about what building he goes to, about his beleif system. It is that he has heard a Voice that speaks to him and the voice rings true, and no matter what he cannot help himself but to follow after the things this voice said because all that he knows is that these are the words of LIFE. thank you
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Sun 01/20/08 09:56 AM
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I find it 'offensive' that so many Christians want to pray for the 'unrepentant' soul of another, only to be offended themselves when another feels sorry those same Christians because (in his/her opinion) Christianity has been dupped! i am not trying to beat a dead horse Redyculous but did you not ask me to pray for you ???? to have a wonderful life without a god in your life? now...(that is not verbatim by any means) i don't always remember exact words but i could find the thread i think in the archives but you did ask me to pray for you and i asked you on several occasions in that thread who you expected me to pray to, ???? but i never found an answer to my question from you and it is a very logical and perfectly acceptable Question... just who did you expect me to pray to, and how can you get mad or feel "offended" <as you worded it> when someone offers to pray for you  when YOU <out of your own free will> ((((( with no one twisting your arm ...btw }}}} asked me to actually <<<< pray for you >>>> ... still the burning question ????? since you openly deny the existence of God and i would never pray to anyone else but God... So...how can you in all honesty ~say the above things ~ when you are actually contradicting yourself ? |
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MindofChrist:
Your response indeed struck me as your truth. I can appreciate this tremendously. It is too bad that Jesus needs has been affiliated with Christianity and the Bible... really too bad. What I feel is the misconstrued message has taken center stage... If only it had not been picked up and dissected... If only... Rapunzel, are you agreeing with this?: That's a friggin joke. I'ts all just words to you until 'you' experience Christ for 'you'. It's like you're talking about Santa Claus. You guys scoff and pat yourselves on the back. Christianity is too split to be generalized. many have sold out, many fake, and many just plain SUCK.
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I have to say, to those who claim the feeling of the love of Jesus has moved them, I never felt so moved as the day I freed my spirit from the encumbrace of religion. My spirit has since felt serious love and light. Positive emotions are the real spirit mover. The encumbrance with a religion is living within it's prejudices. Sitting in judgement of others and trying to change them is an encumbrance. When you can free your spirit to love all with no judgements or the urge to pray for their lost souls you really feel the love then. I do send out positive thoughts and wishes for people all the time but it is not a judgemental hope that they find god or thoughts of sorrow to save their lost soul. I send thoughts to those who need wellness thoughts and wishes, I send out alot of strenth and perserverence thoughts and wishes for the struggles in peoples lives.
I just had to share my feeling of complete love and light so you know you can still be moved spiritually without Jesus or any religious god at the helm.
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