people who know me they know that i have stood up against fellow christians when they become fundamentalists and not tolerants
the only issue in which i become fundamentalist and not tolerant is abortion

redy my faith is proven everyday for the simple fact that i breath

I think if someone posits a truth-claim based on insufficient or contradictory evidence, then that particular claim ought to be held up to rational scrutiny. If it's a false claim or an invalid argument, then free and critical inquiry are what's needed to determine that.

I won't debate someone on matters of preference, and it should definitely be discouraged. However, I'll gladly debate someone on matters of judgement, but that's not synonymous with ridicule. It's an important distinction to make.

I have said it many times. The Christian religions attack on science is very disturbing to me. In that sense there are many Christians that do not take seriously what I believe. It is costing our society monetarily and scientifically to fight against these people.
So I point to the Book and the Doctrine were it is obviously wrong to me. I would think that if your religion is the one true religion it would hold up to this type of examination.

so your saying books that date back thousands of years could have never been altered along the way? Either way there is no reason to go and point out everything that you dont agree with in someones religion. Its just rude. Just because other people do things to you doesn't mean you should do it to others. You sound like a little kid.

amen

Walker you are soooo right, to each his or her beliefs. If I don't believe the same as you I have no right to judge your beliefs.

<-----showing you some love....be who you are because that person is wonderful

I very much believe that the book has changed over that time. The people I have the discussions with believe the book is the actual word for word word of God.


I guess I didn't make myself clear I do not do it to get back at anyone. I do it to try and bring over my brothers and sisters in logic. Hopefully one will see the truth and be converted to the side of reason.

again here you go saying people are wrong. Your reason also doesn't explain how the universe came to be.

so rabbit what u r saying is that the rest of us r on the unreason side
why u dont inform us ur beliefs and dont try to bring anybody to ur side

That seems like a tempest in a teapot type argument. I recognize that there are sects within Christianity that discourage the teaching of evolutionary theory, but what effect they can have on higher education and the community is probably very little since most of the research and development of new technologies depends heavily on the scientific method. The industry most certainly realizes that. You'll have to cite some economic figures to support your claim.

As far as I've seen, most Christians I've met understand evolution as fact and theory while others look to intelligent design (ID) for answers. They claim it deserves equal time in the science classroom, but I think they're misinformed for believing that ID qualifies as a biological science. I feel it deserves discussion in a philosophy program though.

To me this is the most absurd notion I can imagine in this day and age. When religious ideals are used as arguments by political activists they automatically become targets of legitimate inquiry. And anyone who doesn’t think that religion is a motivation for politics in this day and age has got to be living in a dream world.

The fact is that we have moved on from the dark ages, and we are free to question these things. Everyone the right to question anything, including any claims of divinity associated with ancient doctrines.

To suggest otherwise is nothing more than a ploy, by those who push their agendas, to hide behind the skirt of consecration in an attempt to free themselves from having to explain themselves.

To guard against this is precisely why we have free speech today!

I think a lot of people on public forums take religious discussions far too personally. Discussing religious issues on a public forum isn’t supposed to be about questioning personal faith or beliefs. It’s supposed to be about bringing up legitimate questions.

If anyone seriously expects people to just sit back and allow any religion to proselytize their unsubstantiated myths in the 21 century and not be challenged, they are truly naïve.

If you want to believe in something on a personal level, fine. Go do it!

But if you come onto the Internet and start proselytizing it,... guess what?

You Are Going to be Challenged!!!!

You’re damn right!

Welcome to the 21st Century!

Exactly ,Do you remeber when Kansas had that school board that tried to push through the teaching of ID. They got enough people on a school board to make that happen then the courts had to step in to stop it. All of that costs money.

What about the rise in sexual transmitted disease in teenagers in Schools that use an abstinence based health program. Not to mention the unwanted pregnancies.

he isnt asking questions. He is trying to attack it. I like how you leave out my post that encourages questions. He isn't trying to figure out what we believe he just points out things in the bible he doesnt like. Like people stoning you for not being a virgin. I mean who believes we should do that?

When Christianity stops proselytizing then I will think about stopping it too.

again I will point you to Feral who says that the Bible is the word for word word of God. Ask her and get back to me.

Just curious if anyone has heard of the clockmaker theory. It is a form of Christianity that I actually really agree with and it basically knocks out most of rabbits complaining.

That still doesnt give you a right to attack the religion.

not all Christians do that. Look at me. I have my beliefs but I don't think the government has any right to pass laws based on those beliefs, yet you still attack my religion. You are just as bad as those people you detest for proselytizing. You basically admit to being prejudice and I hate intolerant people.

Proselytizing is a corner stone of Christianity, If you think that makes them prejudice I don't real see it, I think they may be for other reasons but not for proselytizing. Again once people feel the true light of reason in there mind that is something that all people should get a chance at. I am just filled with love for my brothers and sisters and hope that they will one day come to the side of logic.