Was that because Cheney shot some one.

I didn't even read through the whole 7 pages, too long of a read.

I say who ever wins they have a hell of a big mess to clean up from what Brush and Cheney left behinde.

Now you're putting words in my mouth.
Bush Jr. has been spending beyond the
country's ability to pay for the
last 7 years. In other words, he's
been spending 'like a liberal'.

Where was the accountability?

You live in Minnesota too.

If you hate this 'nanny state'
so much why don't you move to
another state?

I have always believed people
were accountable for themselves.

The lenders probably didn't break
any laws but predatory lending is
clearly unethical.

Just because it was legal doesn't
make it right.

Perhaps the major construction companies
bear some complicity.

The ones they loaned too should have
known better, perhaps, but a smooth
talking realtor can minimize just
about any worries about future
repercussions, right?

Just like a smooth talking car salesman
can get you to buy a car, even if it's
a lemon.

If you want to hug someone,
hug someone else.

Sound economic policy was something
Bush Jr. wasn't too good at.

But the point was not 'what is
sound economic policy', the
point was about giving money
to those that don't need it.

Trickle down economics
doesn't work.

It didn't work during
Reagan and it doesn't
work now.

Agreed there as well

Well if trickle down
economics doesn't work,
why are we giving money
to corporations and
individuals when there
is no indication that
they will use it to
create jobs, etc...?

I agree that he spends money like a liberal but concerning giving money to those who don't need it, who will determine who needs it and who doesn't? What about farm subsidies? Do farmers need it? Does it benefit them? Having grown up on a farm I am well versed in this. Farm welfare. Is there ANY government program that isn't abused? I see it as you are arguing about a pebble on the ground when the volcano is erupting above you.

Then let us use the democrats idea. Raise taxes. That will stimulate spending, right? You are telling me that by giving tax breaks the government is giving out money? Whose money are they giving? Or is it that they simply are not taking as much?
Check the stats- EVERY time taxes are lowered the economy is stimulated. Democrats have NEVER cut taxes. Oh sure, you can say you are lowering taxes while jacking some other program's funding. Smoke and mirror tactics but even that has a tendency to stimulate the economy.

I agree that the problem
of government subsidies is
a big problem, but to cover
all of the instances of it
would take longer than this
forum would allow.

Like handing out Social
Security to millionaires,
which is probably the biggest
waste of money of any of them,
but I won't get into that
now.

As far as farm subsidies go,
it should be fairly easy to
determine from the balance
sheets if a farm is making
profit or not to determine
need.

For instance, I never figured
out why the government pays
farmers not to plant crops.

Also, people who aren't farmers
get farm subsidies, some of
them well-known figures.

Why is that?

http://www.rd.com/columnists/michael-crowley/goverment-farm-subsidies-going-to-the-wealthy/article.html

I don't think it's a good idea
to give tax breaks to companies that
move their operations overseas.

That does not stimulate our economy.

I think the idea instead should be
to reward good behavior and punish
bad behavior by companies.

For instance, say a company has
a factory with a smokestack and
they install a scrubber to help
minimize pollution. I would
not be opposed to that company
getting a tax break.

And CEO pay is getting out of control.

For instance, the former CEO of United
Health was a crook, yet he was never
arrested, never served jail time.

And he got to keep a huge golden parachute.

If you got health care from United Health,
and your premiums went up, this is part of
the reason.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701467.html

I think you are talking about Mike Wallace? Maybe it is someone else but I know of a news anchor that has a cattle ranch out west. Dunno. Its still a business, he has hired hands. I remember my dad planting a non-cash crop for the purpose of tilling it under for soil enrichment from a program manny years ago. Govt. paid him what he would have received for a cash crop. That was the start of it. As hybridization has produced bumper crops nearly every year, the supply has outpaced demand. The resulting loss in revenue due to the flood of supply was more than needed to cover the cost per bushel to grow it. Enter the government..... to pay farmers to not grow a crop with the hope of stabilizing the price. Enter ...... corporate farms that will capitalize on the floundering small farms. so on and so on. Ethanol is an example of how the government pays farm welfare. It costs more to produce ethanol than it does gasoline and the btu is lower so your mileage drops . If ethanol production was left to stand on its own without subsidies it would fall.

I agree with all but the statement about CEO pay. We can't control how much someone is willing to pay for the services of another in the white collar world.The market will dictate that and as far as crooks in business- they should be set as examples if found guilty. Golden parachutes don't potect law breakers. Hell I can't afford more than a toilet paper parachute.

Me either.