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This is simply what I've heard, so your comments are appreciated.
Jesus wasn't born on Christmas day. In fact, it has been proven that he was born sometime in the spring. Once again, I only heard this. I am not quite sure it's true. So, let's say it is true. If it is, why do we still celebrate Christmas? To visit family? Well, if we wanted to do that, we could find many other days in the year to do that, that is... if you truly loved your family. To give gifts? Why not buy gifts for them when you feel you really need to. It shouldn't be just one day. The spirit of Christmas is gone in me. As much as I want to enjoy Christmas again, I just can't. Seems that magic that I had during childhood left me. The only thing I see Christmas as is a failed attempt by the Christians to take over a Seasonal holiday that the Pagans have been celebrating for thousands of years. I also see it as a quick way for companies to make money, a quick way for a lot of traffic jams, and a quick way to make people lose a lot of money, become stressed, and drink a lot. If you love your family, don't just show them that you love them on one day of the year. Do it as much as possible. If you have kids, celebrate Christmas with them if you want. |
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The only thing I see Christmas as is a failed attempt by the Christians to take over a Seasonal holiday that the Pagans have been celebrating for thousands of years. I also see it as a quick way for companies to make money, a quick way for a lot of traffic jams, and a quick way to make people lose a lot of money, become stressed, and drink a lot. The combination of brainwashing, superstition, opportunism, and massive corporate profits will always play well in a culture in which the majority is either afraid of, or incapable of, doing their own thinking. |
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True Christmas as far as history show's was on the 7th January the date was in fact changed by the western World many many years ago, think it was done by the Romans...not sure. Eastern Europe still holds Christmas day on the 7th Jan
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Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birth. It should be celebrated in August/September, but oh well. Please explain why Christians celebrating Christmas on December 25th is offensive to Pagans. It seems that they wouldn't care and would move on with their own worship, but I would like to know.
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I completely agree with you.
And yes, by all accounts it appears that Christ was born around April- says the scholars. It bothers me alot that Christians never acknolwdge this. They say "we are here to celebrate the birth of Christ" Happy Birthday Jesus. They fail to say- We don't know for sure when Christ was born, but this is when we celebrate his birth... It also amazes me how my daughter in school, has a "holiday play". It is no longer a Christmas Play. She has to sing songs to celebrate Hannakah and Kwaanza... but they can no longer say "merry christmas" The stores are FILLED with Christmas stuff yet the employees are not permitted to say "merry christmas". They have to say "happy holidays" in order not to offend anyone. My Christmas Spirit has been gone for a long time... |
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Edited by
Sumthingdifferent
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Thu 12/20/07 10:22 AM
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Ummm I have a question...
DOES IT REALLY MATTER!!??? All the so-called "scholars" at BEST have a GUESS! I have seen everything from April through June. But again WHY DOES IT MATTER "WHEN" it is celebrated?? Its a "Christian" holiday to celebrate the birth of Christ and the non Christian community uses it as a time from getting together with family and friends..or just a day to have off work with pay to watch football and drink beer. That's one of the biggest reasons I CAN NOT STAND "religion"! I know there is "God" and I personally beleve in Christ. All this "doctrine" BULLSH*T is just that..BULLSH*T! Religion is man's feeble attempt to place God in a "box", when even the very best of us have no real comprehension or the ability to comprehend "God" in His true form. So STOP quivelling over NOTHING, because it simply DOES NOT MATTER when it is "celebrated"..that fact is, that it is at least "celebrated".   
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I met a woman the other day that said... and I quote "Well it's not just Christmas unless you spend at least $1,000 on each kid"
It seems to me that many, many people have lost the whole meaning behind Christmas... |
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I completely agree with you. And yes, by all accounts it appears that Christ was born around April- says the scholars. It bothers me alot that Christians never acknolwdge this. They say "we are here to celebrate the birth of Christ" Happy Birthday Jesus. They fail to say- We don't know for sure when Christ was born, but this is when we celebrate his birth... It also amazes me how my daughter in school, has a "holiday play". It is no longer a Christmas Play. She has to sing songs to celebrate Hannakah and Kwaanza... but they can no longer say "merry christmas" The stores are FILLED with Christmas stuff yet the employees are not permitted to say "merry christmas". They have to say "happy holidays" in order not to offend anyone. My Christmas Spirit has been gone for a long time... What gets to me how the western World bends over backwords to please other faiths On the days of Hannakah or Kwaanza and as far as I know ! they do not sing or chant Christmas songs to please us. Seems we have lost our way somewhere down the line. anyway a DAMN BIG HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL. |
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Let's all become Atheist!
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Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birth. It should be celebrated in August/September, but oh well. Please explain why Christians celebrating Christmas on December 25th is offensive to Pagans. It seems that they wouldn't care and would move on with their own worship, but I would like to know. it's becuase christmas on december 25 was a direct rip off of a pegan holiday (st. nick, the trees and all that crap) when cristians were converting all the pegans to christianity they would adopt and asimilate their holidays to make the conversion seem more appealing to the pegans, same way holloween became a cristian holiday (all hollows eve or whatever they called it) but then did away with that some time ago because people started claiming it to be a satanic holiday. |
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no!
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no was in answer to "lets all become atheists"
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Well, I guess Nihlism will have to do.
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I met a woman the other day that said... and I quote "Well it's not just Christmas unless you spend at least $1,000 on each kid" It seems to me that many, many people have lost the whole meaning behind Christmas... nope that is pretty accurate the church stole a pagan holiday to make it easier to convert the pagans so the kids getting to get stuff from whom ever for nothing kinda fits right in and astrologically speaking as the wise men followed the star it is believed scientifically that he was born in the earlier part of the year per a history channel show |
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What gets me.. ancient history aside.. is the impression that America has been celebrating Christmas since well before the founding of the country. To do otherwise is 'unamerican'.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. In fact.. it was illegal to show Christmas spirit in Boston in the late 1600's. The fine was 5 shillings (or about $60, today). After the Revolution... it was widely considered distasteful to celebrate the English custom of Christmas. Congress remained in session December 25th, 1789. Through most of the early 1800's December was known for the rioting of the lower class.. not celebration. In fact.. The first New York Police force was organized in order to respond to Christmas riots. Many of my fellow Christians would be pretty disturbed to realize that there is a pretty good likelihood that the Christmas we hold so dear, was simply invented by the upper class to divert the lower classes attention away from their plight. Reducing the property damage in business and commerce districts by Anarchist activity, throughout the country. So.. in essence. It may very well have its roots in a marketing scheme..just like it remains today. Much of the Northern States held to the notion that celebrating Christmas was sinful, well into the 1830's.. While the south adopted it into their culture... During the Civil War.. President Lincoln had commissioned a drawing, by a popular artist, of Saint Nick whooping it up with Union Soldiers. It was distributed over the Mason Dixon line.. and it had its desired effect... Confederate Soldiers were demorilized when they saw it. ~Santa, the ultimate psych weapon~ Who'da thunk it?! All in all.. Nearly a full century had passed since the founding of our country when Christmas was finally adopted as a National Holiday. Given all that.. personally.. I could care less as a Christian.. how the debate works out. |
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Hm, what I've noticed is that now the schools have moved from including all other religious observances to banning all references from any religion. Instead of accepting other religious views and exploring the diversity of them, they ignore them all and now do the Holiday Programs. It isn't just a matter of allowing everything but Christian. Now that they ban any and all spiritual reasons for the holiday, that even worries me more. It doesn't do anything to help people learn about and accept other people. It seems to be teaching that unless people divest themselves of anything that is different, and all become identical, we will not be able to get along.
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What gets me.. ancient history aside.. is the impression that America has been celebrating Christmas since well before the founding of the country. To do otherwise is 'unamerican'. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In fact.. it was illegal to show Christmas spirit in Boston in the late 1600's. The fine was 5 shillings (or about $60, today). After the Revolution... it was widely considered distasteful to celebrate the English custom of Christmas. Congress remained in session December 25th, 1789. Through most of the early 1800's December was known for the rioting of the lower class.. not celebration. In fact.. The first New York Police force was organized in order to respond to Christmas riots. Many of my fellow Christians would be pretty disturbed to realize that there is a pretty good likelihood that the Christmas we hold so dear, was simply invented by the upper class to divert the lower classes attention away from their plight. Reducing the property damage in business and commerce districts by Anarchist activity, throughout the country. So.. in essence. It may very well have its roots in a marketing scheme..just like it remains today. Much of the Northern States held to the notion that celebrating Christmas was sinful, well into the 1830's.. While the south adopted it into their culture... During the Civil War.. President Lincoln had commissioned a drawing, by a popular artist, of Saint Nick whooping it up with Union Soldiers. It was distributed over the Mason Dixon line.. and it had its desired effect... Confederate Soldiers were demorilized when they saw it. ~Santa, the ultimate psych weapon~ Who'da thunk it?! All in all.. Nearly a full century had passed since the founding of our country when Christmas was finally adopted as a National Holiday. Given all that.. personally.. I could care less as a Christian.. how the debate works out. looks like some one was watching history channel a couple nights ago
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Edited by
Jistme
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Thu 12/20/07 10:37 PM
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looks like some one was watching history channel a couple Really.. they did a piece on this? That even further baffles me... The so called 'secret' is out, yet there is no shortage of 'good Christians' trying desperately to rewrite history.
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yep history of christmas show
gan thi i think it was an hour long went into the whole pagan thing and how they used the evergreen in germany how the tradition got carried to england with a marriage between cousins and went into how it was brought to the colonies and also about the fine of which you speak during the revolutionary period |
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infectious_witch
Can you show me some of this proof that the Messiah was born in the spring? Thanks..Miles |
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