Please read this link and tell me how Santa can be percieved as evil.This is fundumentalism to the extreme in my opinion.


http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html

Santa brings material things to children because they "want" them. Greed and money are 2 evils. AH?

I haven't read the article, but it does teach kids that lying is ok as long as it's "fun". Personaly, I do believe that current christmas and easter celebrations are against God and I've hence cut them out of my life. Not trying to impose my beliefs on others, but that's where I stand;^]

i believe in the potentially good ideas of Christmas, and believe i will celebrate such holidays to remain some-what typical =) however i do agree that no Good, Comes from Easter nor Christmas. Ironic how the most stressful time of the year is, christmas.... why? Financial reasons. Turtle i agree

I view christmas as a time for me to obtain the things I need. So for this xmas I requested essential hockey equipment (Pucks, sticks, tape, ect) and personal hygiene items! Either way I would have to buy them anyway!

I had to laugh at this one!

It’s really just saying, If you don’t brainwash them before they can think for themselves you’ll never be able to brainwash them!

What a pathetic outlook on life.

Radical fundamentalism is the single most dangerous mental diseases I can think of. If there is a Devil, radical fundamentalism is most assuredly his favorite toy.

I always wondered why parents would spend their hard earned money on crap that isn't needed and say "here, from santa claus he loves you" rather than "here this is from mom & dad we love you". Santa & Easter Bunnies, in my humble, are incredibaly destructive lies that rip apart a childs trust at their most fragile of mindstates. Christmas & Easter boggle my mind, how we can teach lies while professing the name of the lord. As backwards as church sponsored lotto;^[

Yes, it is the epitome of stupidity when we really stop and think about it.

well turtle some people believe God is a lie.christmas is now more of a secular holiday in my opinion .it is celibrated by non christians and christians alike.Easter and Christmas were both pagan holidays before christianity usurped them.
I believe in God and Jesus but I think Santa and the Easter Bunny were a fun part of my childhood.There is nothing like childhood wonder and anticipation of Santas arrival..My son still believes and it will be a sad time when he stops ...

To tell a lie is to know things are one way but say they're another, even if God didn't exist believers wouldn't be lying because they believe it to be true. Parents knowingly buy their children presents and then lie about where they came from. I'll agree to disagree about the effects of the lie, but a lie is still a lie;^]

i prefer the term FIB...

Yep i Agree , i know i agree with ABRA =).. I think that quote is brainwashing, get them young they say, i believe to experience religion for ones self this should be at a older age. As i did =)

I loved reading it, Jax. Thanks for sharing.

I would disagree with this. Even "believers" know that it's a matter of faith. To tell their young childern that God exists as a matter of fact, it an outright lie. The only truth would be to honestly tell the children that it's what the parents like to 'believe'. There is a difference.

I was taught that God exists. I believed that parents woudln't lie and that they knew what they were talking about. As I grew up I discovered otherwise. They were indeed lying because the truth is that honestly don't know. They just like to believe that it's true.

Well, if that's the real TRUTH then this is what they should tell their childern. But most religious people don't to that. They prefer to lie for some reason.

To not know would be agnosticism, to have faith is to believe it as fact without proof. Believers believe it is true, that's not a lye. Big differance;^]

Agreed Turtle

Abra you discovered that God didnt exist? Where do you make your discovery

I just couldn't help but think of Joe Friday from Dragnet while reading the article. I was working the night shift for Bunko. My name is Friday and I wear a badge. Ok, what were you driving a horse or reindeer? Let me see your driver's license.

This is the definition of being delusional.

The bottom line is the Adults are lying to kids when they tell them matter-of-factly that God exists. They can excuse this lie by claiming that they are truly delusional, but that doesn't change the fact that it is indeed a lie. Even if God truly does exist they are still lying to claim something that they honestly don't know.

Or perhaps they just don't take honesty that seriously.



I think it would be just as wrong to tell a child that God doesn't exist. We don't know that either.

The truth is that all humans are agnostics whether they are willing to admit it or not.

What's wrong with telling the childern the truth?

Tell them that we don't know whether there is a god or not,...


Then if you want to expand on that with telling them what you 'believe' that would be the truth!

The bottom line is that little childern actually CAN comprehend these differences between an adult claiming to know something and an adult just telling them what the believe to be true.

People would do well to try to learn how to be honest with their children.

I don't see why people are so against being honest.

Ok, back to insults with "that's being delusional", so I'll leave you in peace as I will keep the faith regardless. I gave you the definition of a lye, you already know the definition of agnosticism, so since you seem to have faith wrong here is again the definition of faith. Good night;^]

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Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 13th century
1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions
2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
synonyms see belief
— on faith : without question <took everything he said on faith>

Ahh then again without beliefs, everything is relative and finite. Whats fact? The ground we stand on? We need beliefs to set a foundation, and in all reality the time will come and hoefully through example a christian family will lead through actions portrayed in the house-hold.


Belifs, ha prove a man landed on the moon =).. I say "PHOTOSHOP"