Trump supporters are getting some things wrong. So, here are corrections.

- To describe the flaws of Trumpicans isn't to express hate for Donald Trump.

- To describe Trump's flaws isn't to express hate for Trump.

- Trump didn't win the 2016 U.S. presidential election because he was a great presidential candidate. He was anything but that. Instead, he won because enough voters in enough states thought that Hillary Clinton was a worse choice.

(Note to disgruntled Democrats: The POTUS is President of the States, which is why that person is elected by the States, not by a majority of the general American public.)

- Trump is attractive to people who feign being Republicans and conservatives. One can tell what they really are by what they defend.

David, I partly agree with you. But, I feel one should also look at it this way.

Millions of Americans live under the long taught misconception that they have free speech and that there vote counts.

When that idea is snatched out from under them, well, for most it just doesn't go down that well. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you are on. Left or right, When you find out that the person you voted for, right along with a majority of the country, lost, Then you find out that the one you voted for actually won by 3 million or so votes, Well, for many it's a hard pill to swallow when you realize that what you have been taught all your life isn't true.

Your vote didn't count. And free speech is a slippery slope. Unless you're Trump. Then you can say whatever you want. Whether it makes sense or not. You can lie every day. If you're Trump, You can even get away with defaming others in public and not get sued for it. Try that at home.

Pres. Trump and his supporters would not support what the DEMOCRATS seceded from the union and started the Civil War for! Those who think that Trump and his supporters would do not know him or his supporters.

And another hate Trump thread.

huh?

Trump and the Civil War .. isnt that a stretch?


The confusion lies in too much emphasis on label and not substance.

WE have had several historical changes to poltiical labels. we have had not just democrats and republicans, but dixiecrats, and whigs, and democratic republicans ....lol.

The labels have changed along with the basic platforms and ideologies.

there was a time when democrats were 'conservatives' who wanted small governments and states rights. In more MODERN times, that has become the Republican platform.

there was a time when republicans were 'liberals' who wanted government involvement in maintaining the general welfare of the citizens. In more MODERN times, that has become the democratic platform.


what is undeniable is the platform, and not the label.


It was southern states and CONSERVATIVES, that seceded to maintain states rights, and continue the status quo of race based privilege that favored white males and placed others subservient to them.

today's democratic platform does not SUPPORT the platform of that century, and the platform of that century would not support todays democratic platform.

In fact, id say if one were to read the letters of secession, the language is very much the same as the republican representation, full of fear of what allowing 'others' into the society will do to it.

I think we owe Debbie Was-a-man Shultz,
and the DNC, a small debt of gratitude.

If Bernie Sanders initial claims were
true, that he was cheated, because the nomination
was stolen from him. Then the DNC itself, helped
put Trump in the oval office.

And, in agreement with the original post,
I myself, have posted on this very site,
the the only reason Trump won, is because
his name isn't Clinton.

Your pig that wears lipstick only has two colours, red or blue. Not much really changes but we can all be assured that the slippery slope just gets steeper.

Another false claim.

The U.S. Constitution says that the legislature of each state determines how that state's Electoral College members are selected. Alas, way too many Americans don't know what the U.S. Constitution says.

Yep.
And, sadly...they aren't teaching Civics in school anymore...

the the only reason Trump won, is because
his name isn't Clinton.

Trump didn't win the 2016 U.S. presidential election because he was a great presidential candidate. He was anything but that. Instead, he won because enough voters in enough states thought that Hillary Clinton was a worse choice.

Right on both counts.

Too many people don't understand that the U.S. is **not** -- and was never intended to be -- a democracy. It is a republic -- or more specifically, a constitutional republic. It was intended that the country should not be steered or controlled by just a small handful of states, which is what would happen in a national popular vote total. It would have happened in 1790, and it would happen today.

I pointed out recently on Facebook that despite popular belief Hillary was further from winning in 2016 than Gore was in 2000. I went over numerous scenarios for altering the system. One scenario included eliminating the electoral votes from the U.S. Senate. Gore would have won, but Hillary would not. In fact, the national popular vote is the ONLY scenario in which Hillary would have won.

I disagree.

From my observations, first of all, there has been a lot of differences between Trump himself and the Republican Party leadership (which provides the primary guidance for most of their political propaganda) from the beginning of his first campaign. There have also been differences from the beginning between what Trump himself believes, and the beliefs of his most ardent followers. All of those people have collectively and individually committed to saying things they know to be false, as a strategy to win enough power in the US, to be able to accomplish their individual wishes.

Somewhat ironically, of all of them, Trump himself, despite his avid love of spontaneously lying about all sorts of things in order to please himself in the moment, has actually been the most honest overall.

It served the purposes of Trump, his supporters, and the Republican Party leadership, to pretend to believe a collection of obvious lies: including that Obama wasn't born in the US; that Hillary Clinton committed a variety of criminal acts; that the Democrats were actively trying to purposely damage the economy, and the future of US business.

The reason they pretended to believe those lies and others, was because they wanted to appeal to enough of the collection of angry people that the Republican Party gathered together into a crude alliance over the last forty years, that they could accomplish what they finally did: control of the Presidency, and both houses of Congress at the same time.

Trump really did want to build his wall, reform immigration policies and fund their proper enforcement, replace the ACA with something better and cheaper, and he really did want to radically lower taxes on businesses, and make it even easier for him to conduct his businesses in the rapacious and irresponsible manner he was accustomed to.

Unfortunately for him, the Republican Party never wanted the wall, had serious internal conflicts over how to reform immigration, had zero desire to spend what was necessary to enforce the laws anyway, and had no intention of ever addressing Health care as Trump wanted.

So they did as they have been doing since the election, and allowed Trump to say what he wishes, pretending that it makes sense when it doesn't; that it isn't insanely inflammatory and irresponsible when it is; all while doing the only thing that they ever agreed on: lowering taxes on the rich even more than they did under Bush, the last time they had control of all three branches.

And so here we are. In order to maintain their present level of control over the country, the GOP is continuing to ignore most of what Trump does, and what he wants, and continuing their very successful strategy of outrageous lies, because that has accomplished their primary goal: persuading just enough people that Democrats are to blame for whatever makes those people angry, that they will continue to vote for Republicans who will continue to do the only things the GOP wants: lower taxes on the rich even more, and blindly eliminate as many regulations and limits on irresponsible business practices and activities as they can.

Luckily for them, enough of Trump's opposition continues to believe that being upset about lies and duplicity and financial corruption, is enough of a platform to gain votes for THEIR side.

I think they are wrong, myself.

I think that the present situation will continue until the combined tax cuts and increasing government spending do the same thing it did to us in the 1980's, and causes another economic implosion.

Who knows? After that, we may start the same cycle of nonsense all over again.

Apropos of nothing..
Everytime I heard crap about Obama's birth certificate...it annoyed me.

*MY* original birth certificate says "Certificate Of Live Birth"...just like his did (which they claim is NOT a "real" birth certificate)
And *I*was born at Providence Hospital..in Washington DC itself..
Don't get no more official than *that*...

Igor, what does anything that you say above have to do with what I say in the first post?

It's a collective metaphor.

I openly chastised anyone who said that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate was a fake.

Go the reds. No, go the blues. Be this, be that. Do this, do that. When really it's all bread and circuses. Plato's cave.

https://youtu.be/69F7GhASOdM

Then people should educate themselves on how the United States election system works. You didn't win anything that was pulled out from under you, more individual votes do not elect the President. Electoral College is the only way a people living in the smaller states would have a say in the election process.This process has been the way we've done it for 230 years. It's only happened 2or 3 times that the popular vote went the other way. Not bad for 60 some elections.

Who wants a know Crook as POTUS like Hillary!!. Many did not want her and Trump was a better Choice.

Hopefully we never get a President like. Her in ,2020.

The Country will really be in Big . Poop !