Topic: Serious question...ED, disabilities, etc..
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Not trying to offend anyone but, if you are using a persons ability to preform sexually as criteria for a relationship you are being very shallow minded and could be loosing out on the Love of your life especially if you are in your older years.





Very judgmental

Sex doesn't matter to you. That isn't normal either.
Sex IS important in a relationship/marriage, and it isn't shallow to expect it. SEX is the only thing that differentiates a romantic relationship from being buddies/friends.

I see why men don't want anything to do with older women. They ASSUME the women have lost interest in sex ~ the stereotype, not the reality.


Well, isn't it just as "judgemental" to say "Sex doesn't matter to you. That isn't normal either.
Sex IS important in a relationship/marriage"???

I mentioned Asexuals in an earlier comment.
There ARE people who just don't give sex any thought...they range on age from late teens, to older people...
(men and women..so it isn't an "older woman" thing..)
Then there are Demisexuals, for who the concept of FWB, or "casual" sex just doesn't compute...they need an emotional connevtion before they feel sexual towards someone..

And many other variations.
None are wrong.
Everyone is wired differently.

To say "Sex doesn't matter to you. That isn't normal either." negates all those people for whom it *isn't* important...

http://www.asexuality.org/



They are sexually dysfunctional - look it up. Dysfunction means abnormal. Usually psychological issues.

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Sun 10/28/18 08:04 PM
Psychological issues being, some1 messed with their wand . To get something to put in their cauldron.

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Sun 10/28/18 08:04 PM
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Sun 10/28/18 08:04 PM



They are sexually dysfunctional - look it up. Dysfunction means abnormal. Usually psychological issues.


Actually, it's not.
According to the DSM-V..
(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

"It is important to note that asexuality is different from medical conditions such as Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder (HSDD). HSDD is listed in the DSM-V, while asexuality is not. In cases of HSDD, there are underlying sexual needs that are not being met, to the point of personal distress. If not experiencing arousal or suddenly losing interest in sex is distressing, it is advisable to discuss this with a medical professional to get a diagnosis."
http://www.asexuality.org/?q=overview.html

Would you classify being gay as a dysfunction/ abnormal?

As i said..just because it is a foreign concept to *you*, doesn't mean it isn't real for other people.
Everyone is different.
Let people be who they are without beng judgemental.




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Sun 10/28/18 08:11 PM
To quote comedian Redd Foxx;

"I may get too old to cut the mustard.
But, I'm still gonna lick the jar."


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Sun 10/28/18 08:18 PM
Edited by GalaxyStarz on Sun 10/28/18 08:21 PM
Sexual Dysfunction

Sexual dysfunction refers to a problem(s)that prevents the individual or couple from experiencing satisfaction from sexual activity. Some 43 percent of women and 31 percent of men report some degree of sexual dysfunction.

What is sexual dysfunction?

Sexual dysfunction refers to a problem occurring during any phase of the sexual response cycle that prevents the individual or couple from experiencing satisfaction from the sexual activity. The sexual response cycle traditionally includes excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution. Desire and arousal are both part of the excitement phase of the sexual response.

While research suggests that sexual dysfunction is common (43 percent of women and 31 percent of men report some degree of difficulty), it is a topic that many people are hesitant to discuss. Because treatment options are available, it is important to share your concerns with your partner and healthcare provider.

What are the types of sexual dysfunction?

Sexual dysfunction generally is classified into four categories:

Desire disorders —lack of sexual desire or interest in sex
Arousal disorders —inability to become physically aroused or excited during sexual activity
Orgasm disorders —delay or absence of orgasm (climax)
Pain disorders — pain during intercourse

Who is affected by sexual dysfunction?

Sexual dysfunction can affect any age, although it is more common in those over 40 because it is often related to a decline in health associated with aging.

What are the symptoms of sexual dysfunction?

In men:

Inability to achieve or maintain an erection suitable for intercourse (erectile dysfunction)
Absent or delayed ejaculation despite adequate sexual stimulation (retarded ejaculation)
Inability to control the timing of ejaculation (early or premature ejaculation)

In women:

Inability to achieve orgasm
Inadequate vaginal lubrication before and during intercourse
Inability to relax the vaginal muscles enough to allow intercourse

In men and women:

Lack of interest in or desire for sex
Inability to become aroused
Pain with intercourse

What causes sexual dysfunction?

Physical causes — Many physical and/or medical conditions can cause problems with sexual function. These conditions include diabetes, heart and vascular (blood vessel) disease, neurological disorders, hormonal imbalances, chronic diseases such as kidney or liver failure, and alcoholism and drug abuse. In addition, the side effects of some medications, including some antidepressant drugs, can affect sexual function.

Psychological causes — These include work-related stress and anxiety, concern about sexual performance, marital or relationship problems, depression, feelings of guilt, concerns about body image, and the effects of a past sexual trauma.

How is sexual dysfunction diagnosed?

In most cases, the individual recognizes that there is a problem interfering with his or her enjoyment (or the partner's enjoyment) of a sexual relationship. The clinician likely will begin with a complete history of symptoms and a physical. He or she may order diagnostic tests to rule out any medical problems that may be contributing to the dysfunction, if needed. Typically, lab testing plays a very limited role in the diagnosis of sexual dysfunction.

An evaluation of the person's attitudes about sex, as well as other possible contributing factors (fear, anxiety, past sexual trauma/abuse, relationship concerns, medications, alcohol or drug abuse, etc.) will help the clinician understand the underlying cause of the problem, and will help him or her make recommendations for appropriate treatment.

How is sexual dysfunction treated?

Most types of sexual dysfunction can be corrected by treating the underlying physical or psychological problems. Other treatment strategies include:

Medication — When a medication is the cause of the dysfunction, a change in the medication may help. Men and women with hormone deficiencies may benefit from hormone shots, pills, or creams. For men, drugs, including sildenafil (Viagra®), tadalafil (Cialis®), vardenafil (Levitra®, Staxyn®), and avanafil (Stendra®) may help improve sexual function by increasing blood flow to the penis.

Mechanical aids — Aids such as vacuum devices and penile implants may help men with erectile dysfunction (the inability to achieve or maintain an erection). A vacuum device (Eros) is also approved for use in women, but can be costly. Dilators may help women who experience narrowing of the vagina.

Sex therapy — Sex therapists can be very helpful to couples experiencing a sexual problem that cannot be addressed by their primary clinician. Therapists are often good marital counselors, as well. For the couple who wants to begin enjoying their sexual relationship, it is well worth the time and effort to work with a trained professional.

Behavioral treatments — These involve various techniques, including insights into harmful behaviors in the relationship, or techniques such as self-stimulation for treatment of problems with arousal and/or orgasm.

Psychotherapy — Therapy with a trained counselor can help a person address sexual trauma from the past, feelings of anxiety, fear, or guilt, and poor body image, all of which may have an impact on current sexual function.




https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9121-sexual-dysfunction/management-and-treatment



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Sun 10/28/18 08:24 PM
What ...nothing about the moon? Or witch doctors?
Next you'll be telling me Columbus discovered America

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Sun 10/28/18 08:28 PM
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Sun 10/28/18 08:30 PM
GalaxyStarz

I'm not interested in arguing with you, and, anyway..why are you so invested in this ?
If someone isn't interested in sex...how does that affect you in any way, and why do you care?

Frome what you posted:
"Sexual dysfunction refers to a problem(s)that prevents the individual or couple from experiencing satisfaction from sexual activity."

That's the key..~prevents~ the individual or couple from experiencing satisfaction from sexual activity.
They *want* to, but can't.

*Not* having the desire, and being perfectly OK with it is a totally different thing.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Abnormal?
It's like all women are supposed to want kids.
That's a stereotype.
There are plenty of women who don't..and that's their choice, and that affects no one, and is only important to them and their partner.

Same with sex.
If a person just has no interest (not *wishes* they did, and don't), it's not even on their radar...that's no one's business or concern but them and any partner they get with..



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Sun 10/28/18 08:41 PM
Edited by Real Tx Girl on Sun 10/28/18 08:50 PM




Not trying to offend anyone but, if you are using a persons ability to preform sexually as criteria for a relationship you are being very shallow minded and could be loosing out on the Love of your life especially if you are in your older years.





Very judgmental

Sex doesn't matter to you. That isn't normal either.
Sex IS important in a relationship/marriage, and it isn't shallow to expect it. SEX is the only thing that differentiates a romantic relationship from being buddies/friends.

I see why men don't want anything to do with older women. They ASSUME the women have lost interest in sex ~ the stereotype, not the reality.


I think your the one being judgmental.

I am not saying that I don't want sex. I'm saying if I find the right person and they have a problem I'm okay with it.

I'm also saying that to have sex as the soul bases of why a person chooses to date or not date should not be the case.

There are other ways to be intimate with out actual sexual intercourse. And for someone to think that sexual intercourse is the only way is not entirely correct.

I know of several men that are perfectly capable of satisfying a women's sexual needs and desires even though, he himself is unable to rise to the challenge due to ED. They are happily married and have been for years.

You see some veterans out there are unable to have sexual relations because of physical injury they have sustained but, still manage to be intimate with their spouse, girl friend or significant other.

I don't judge a man by what he has in his pants or what he is or is not capable of doing in the bedroom. I accept a man for what he has inside his heart, his mind and soul. The ability to have sexual intercourse is a bonus, because I know there are other ways to have an intimate relationship that doesn't involve actual sexual intercourse. I don't confuse sex with intimacy which is vital to a relationship.

There is a big difference between being intimate/intimacy and sex.

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Sun 10/28/18 08:43 PM

To quote comedian Redd Foxx;

"I may get too old to cut the mustard.
But, I'm still gonna lick the jar."




Exactly

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Sun 10/28/18 08:50 PM
Edited by GalaxyStarz on Sun 10/28/18 08:55 PM
Asexuality is a growing subject of research in psychology, sexology, and other academic fields. While estimates for the asexual proportion of the population are limited and may vary, the most widely cited figure is that we are roughly 1% of the population.

https://www.asexuality.org/?q=overview.html


Cleveland clinic from above

While research suggests that sexual dysfunction is common (43 percent of women and 31 percent of men report some degree of difficulty), it is a topic that many people are hesitant to discuss. Because treatment options are available, it is important to share your concerns with your partner and healthcare provider.

..................................................
The likelihood of having sexual dysfunction is 310 X and 430 X higher than being asexual.



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Sun 10/28/18 09:02 PM
Obviously there are a variety of beliefs and attitudes about this. If you are not interested in the sexual side of life, that is your choice but you should be very upfront about that. I rank that at the same level as if you are going to die shortly or have something like AIDS. I have no interest in dating or forming any type of relationship with you unless you are fine with a non-monogamous relationship. You can't possibly expect a monogamous relationship that forces your partner to also be sexless.

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Sun 10/28/18 09:09 PM
Edited by Real Tx Girl on Sun 10/28/18 09:16 PM
Well, I can personally say I have no problems sexually and never had.

Everyone has different levels of acceptance and tolerance based on their personal knowledge, experiences and growth and to judge someone is just flat wrong.

It is wrong also, to say someone has a sexual problem and you don't even know them. Your not there doctor, psychologist or therapist and being judgmental based on a persons ability to accept someone else whom has a disability is not right.


If, all I wanted in a relationship was sex, I would be seeking intimate encounters. I want more than just sex, I want and deserve a relationships
that is full of Love, Respect, Honor, Understanding and Intimacy.


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Mon 10/29/18 02:49 AM
My last two partners had problems in that area, and it's one of the things I am afraid of having happen again because erectile problems of sorts begin in most men of 40+.
Doesn't mean they cannot get it up anymore, there's other forms of dysfunction. Like getting it up a bit, not like the flag-mast it used to be. Then you can still have intercourse -only just- but it doesn't do much for a woman. If a half-hard penis would do the job, it would've been designed that way.

For some Viagra might be a solution, doesn't work on everyone though, and not all are willing to take it. That's great when you are in relationship with someone like that and have to then live with not having your needs met anymore.

Saying sex is not important in a relationship is BS. The reason you get together with a man is because of the chemistry, and that chemistry IS based on sexuality.
That chemistry and sex is the main point of attraction and what sets it apart from a friendship. If you don't have that you end up with a brother - sister relationship.
The entire dynamic in a love relationship evolves around the attraction of the sexes and that dynamic changes completely when one partner cannot participate in that anymore because of ED.
It is devastating to the other partner who does NOT have a problem in that area.
Saying it isn't necessary is total bullcrap. Sex is one of our primal instincts, like eating.
Try living a life without sex while still having that primal instinct and while being in a relationship with a man with whom you WANT to have sex.
It's devastatingly painful.

So yes, I can wholeheartedly understand men with ED have given up. I would not want a partner with any form of ED again. Have had that since I was 36. F*(king wonderful. Trust me, it's soul destroying. Trashes your own sense of sexuality, femininity, of self-worth. It feels like rejection if you live that for 10 years on end.
Intimacy and sex is much more than just a mechanical act.

Never want that again, then I'd rather stay alone. Then at least it's MY choice to have sex or not.

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Mon 10/29/18 04:25 AM
Edited by Real Tx Girl on Mon 10/29/18 04:30 AM

Crystal, sorry your experience being less than you wanted or needed.
but, your comment below, is your personal opinion and feelings. Just because it is your belief does not make it right or wrong just your position on the matter.


Saying sex is not important in a relationship is BS. The reason you get together with a man is because of the chemistry, and that chemistry IS based on sexuality.
That chemistry and sex is the main point of attraction and what sets it apart from a friendship. If you don't have that you end up with a brother - sister relationship.
The entire dynamic in a love relationship evolves around the attraction of the sexes and that dynamic changes completely when one partner cannot participate in that anymore because of ED.
It is devastating to the other partner who does NOT have a problem in that area.
Saying it isn't necessary is total bullcrap. Sex is one of our primal instincts, like eating.



Yes, I agree that chemistry and sexual attraction are part of a relationship.

However, Saying sex is a necessary part of a relationship and a relationship with out is BS/Bullcrap is your opinion.

That opinion is why men with ED are giving up on relationships because people have opinions and mind sets that if a man has an ED issue he can't satisfy a women. That is NOT ALWAYS true.

I understand it is not the ideal relationship and not a type of relationship everyone is capable of being happy in.

What is important to remember for everyone. Know what you are capable of accepting and know what your not.

Too many people confuse, sexual attraction, intimacy, chemistry and sexual relations (intercourse).

Everyone has sexual attraction, everyone wants intimacy and chemistry but, can still can not have a relationship with out sexual intercourse and be happy. I get that.

Some people don't know or are unwilling to have a meaningful, fulfilling, and Loving relationship without sexual intercourse.

There are all types of levels and understanding of what is acceptable to any one person. Just because one person feels a certain way does not make them right or wrong. It doesn't mean they are full of BS, it means they have a different opinion, understanding and acceptance level than someone else.

This topic has been one I have discussed with several of my veteran friends both male and female. It's not a topic of debate but rather understanding, acceptance and personal preferences as I learned from my friends.

What is good for one goose is not always good enough a gander.

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Mon 10/29/18 05:46 AM
Tough question, speaking for myself, I have a bad back and use a cane, I would say it's difficult at best. I understand because people like to do activities and I'm limited. I'd say I get judged more for sure. I haven't got many interested ladies. But maybe it's just me hard to tell

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Mon 10/29/18 06:07 AM

Tough question, speaking for myself, I have a bad back and use a cane, I would say it's difficult at best. I understand because people like to do activities and I'm limited. I'd say I get judged more for sure. I haven't got many interested ladies. But maybe it's just me hard to tell


If they judge you on first appearance, they are rather shallow, imo, and not worth knowing anyways.

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Mon 10/29/18 06:25 AM


Crystal, sorry your experience being less than you wanted or needed.
but, your comment below, is your personal opinion and feelings. Just because it is your belief does not make it right or wrong just your position on the matter.


Saying sex is not important in a relationship is BS. The reason you get together with a man is because of the chemistry, and that chemistry IS based on sexuality.
That chemistry and sex is the main point of attraction and what sets it apart from a friendship. If you don't have that you end up with a brother - sister relationship.
The entire dynamic in a love relationship evolves around the attraction of the sexes and that dynamic changes completely when one partner cannot participate in that anymore because of ED.
It is devastating to the other partner who does NOT have a problem in that area.
Saying it isn't necessary is total bullcrap. Sex is one of our primal instincts, like eating.



Yes, I agree that chemistry and sexual attraction are part of a relationship.

However, Saying sex is a necessary part of a relationship and a relationship with out is BS/Bullcrap is your opinion.

That opinion is why men with ED are giving up on relationships because people have opinions and mind sets that if a man has an ED issue he can't satisfy a women. That is NOT ALWAYS true.

I understand it is not the ideal relationship and not a type of relationship everyone is capable of being happy in.

What is important to remember for everyone. Know what you are capable of accepting and know what your not.

Too many people confuse, sexual attraction, intimacy, chemistry and sexual relations (intercourse).

Everyone has sexual attraction, everyone wants intimacy and chemistry but, can still can not have a relationship with out sexual intercourse and be happy. I get that.

Some people don't know or are unwilling to have a meaningful, fulfilling, and Loving relationship without sexual intercourse.

There are all types of levels and understanding of what is acceptable to any one person. Just because one person feels a certain way does not make them right or wrong. It doesn't mean they are full of BS, it means they have a different opinion, understanding and acceptance level than someone else.

This topic has been one I have discussed with several of my veteran friends both male and female. It's not a topic of debate but rather understanding, acceptance and personal preferences as I learned from my friends.

What is good for one goose is not always good enough a gander.

Please do not put words in my mouth that I have not spoken. I did not say anyone is full of BS. I was addressing the misunderstanding that sex is not important in a love relationship.
Sex is the deepest drive a human being has, it's an incredibly strong primal instinct, without that instinct we wouldn't be alive.
It's all about survival of the species. The fact that we have other means of keeping our species alive doesn't take away the fact that we as humans are still driven by these old primal instincts.
It is the driving force that brings a man and a woman together, what has them feeling attracted to one another. If it wasn't for this instinct, people would not get together in love relationships, and our species would've died out yonks ago.
Of course you don't have that click with everyone, the chemistry and 'components' have to be a good match for those two people to create healthy offspring. The fact that we don't need or want to create offspring does NOT matter. We're talking body chemistry, psychology, reptilian brain and so on.

So to say sex does not matter IS bu||****. It's the very framework on which relationships hinge, INCLUDING love relationships.

Of course one can choose to be okay with being pleased in other ways.

Then there's another thing you don't seem to understand or know. It's again psychology and how men are wired. This is again NOT something that can be altered, it's how they're wired (has to do with how men and women complement each other, goes too far to explain):
If a man cannot make his woman happy, he will feel emasculated. Deeply emasculated at that if it has to do with him not being able to get it up.
You as a woman can tell him time and again it doesn't matter, deep down he knows it DOES. And if it doesn't matter to you, it still matters to him because he feels emasculated. It's not about YOU as a woman and how you feel, it's about how HE feels about not being able to get it up and merge with the woman he loves.
It would take one helluva man to feel good about that for years on end, knowing, feeling, sensing he's not a 'full' man, that he's failing. That's soul destroying.
So I can understand that a man with serious ED chooses to not have that emasculating experience time and again and prefers to be alone.
Would you choose to be in a situation where you'd feel disempowered regularly, which would ruin your confidence and self-esteem? Or would you then rather choose to not get into that situation?
A man needs to provide and protect, to give, to please his girl and make her happy. That's how he gets his self-worth. That's not something I make up, read some psychology on the matter. It's well documented and researched.
Women are wired different, which might be the reason most don't understand this.

Apart from all that there's even more to the act of sex, by which I mean intercourse, man entering woman. To do with Tantra, Kundalini, Sacred sexuality.
It's not just lust and getting off, there's a 'higher' aspect to the act of intercourse too.
Have you ever had the experience where your aura merges with the aura of the man you are having sex with for instance? A Tantric experiences that goes to Soul level, possibly even higher.
All of that cannot be felt when one party is unwilling or unable to have intercourse.

It is not as simple as "man can't get it up, if woman is okay with no intercourse and making love in other ways everything is sorted."

And as such -with all of the above- I again say: the statement that intercourse isn't important is BS.

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Mon 10/29/18 08:15 AM
No I have not forgotten the psychology of a man. Yes, men and women are wired differently no doubt.

Yes, a man can feel emasculated by a lack of performance. Yes, it can be a destroyer of ones soul but, it doesn't have to be.

Again I know men that have gone through this same thing in real life. They have been able to overcome and live very healthy sexual lives despite the fact that are unable to perform in certain way.

It is not a matter of who's right and who's wrong. It's not a matter of who's opinion is better, or even what the experts think and feel are accurate.

A man needs to provide and protect, to give, to please his girl and make her happy. That's how he gets his self-worth. There are alternative ways to making this happen is all I'm saying.

I have read the psychology on this matter more than once. To be very frank. I have a brother that has this very problem due to an injury he sustained while serving. So, having gone through this very thing with my brother. I feel that personal experience has given me a total different out look on the matter than others completely. It has been a topic of discussion in my family for a number of years.

"The statement that intercourse isn't important is BS", again this is an opinion.

An opinion I don't agree with because of the experiences I have gone through with my family personally. I have seen my brother overcome the feeling of emasculation and is in a thriving, Loving, and very sexually fulfilling relationship for him and his wife.





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Mon 10/29/18 08:40 AM

Tough question, speaking for myself, I have a bad back and use a cane, I would say it's difficult at best. I understand because people like to do activities and I'm limited. I'd say I get judged more for sure. I haven't got many interested ladies. But maybe it's just me hard to tell


Cam..that is sad..
I haven't looked at your profile, but..do you mention you disabilty *in* your profile?
If so, do you do it in a way that lets people know that while you have this issue..you are perfectly fine at doing x, y, z..?

I do know *I* couldn;t deal with a partner less mobile/ active than I am...and, believe me..I am *not* a go go go person who hikes and bikes and jogs... laugh

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Mon 10/29/18 09:01 AM
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Mon 10/29/18 09:02 AM
OK, the point about "Sex is one of our primal instincts, like eating."..
*That* IS bull.

I posted a site where they describe people who DON'T feel that way...or feel differently about it.
If one chooses to read and enlightne themselves, great..if not, oh well..

I *also* brough up women having kids.
~Reproduction~ is "supposed" to be a "primal instinct"...
*Suppisedly* (as some belive) we base our choice of a mate on primitive things about ability to produce children..abilty to provide for said children...etc.

Yet, there are COUNTLESS hundreds of thousands of women who *don't* want to have kids....for many reasons
(no, not the ones who *can't*..that's different, and I'll address that in a minute)

They have somehow managed to pass on that "primal instinct"..
And, us being more higly evolved than mere animals..we have the abilty to rise above base "primal insticts"..

Your comment yesterday about sexual dysfunction:
""Sexual dysfunction refers to a problem(s)that prevents the individual or couple from experiencing satisfaction from sexual activity."

That is comparable to the women who *want* kids but can't have them, which is not part of this discussion.

So, to paint ~everyone~ as "this is normal..if this isn't you, you are defective/ dysfuctional" is WRONG.

Supposedly all men love sports...
Yets i have known several that couldn't care less.
(yes, they were srtaight..there goes people's judgeiness again)

Supposedly all women coo and fuss over babies..
I can put you in contact right now with at least 50 that don't..and they have happy, loving *normal* relationships with their spouse.

If YOU (the genegric *you) feel sex is an all encompassing biological drive..then fine..you have a right to feel that way..
But what you *don't* have a right to is to say someone who doesn't feel the same way is dysfuctional, abnormal..

Some people feel the same way about homosexuality..it's not "normal"..they are "dysfuntional"...blah blah..
But research has proven people are born wired that way..

Also, regarding the research about Asexuality being only one percent...I remember hearing years ago that homosexuality was only 5-7% of the population, yet from personal experience I am certain that percentage is *much* higher.

In summation....if what someone believes is very different from what you believe, or your experience, or your reality....don't say they are wrong/ dysfuctional/ not normal.

In my time in genetic research (Vanderbilt), I learned humans are very complex creatures....and are not "typed" easily...and there are more variations than you can imagine.