ok at first i wrote this longass response but the thing said Page Cannot Be Displayed and my writing was lost in the garbage of cyberspace, then I had to go to class.

basically,
1. WhiteSox is right.
2. You are supposed to stop thinking about Game in the Comfort stage to create a genuine connection.
3. It's always easier to approach sooner than later, and it's easier to re-open after you have already approached because it is then a Warm Approach rather than a Cold Approach.
4. HI LILY!

I just thought I'd share a small success story.

On Friday night, I chatted with a couple of women at the local bar. I started out the conversation with something like, "I've been thinking of getting another critter to keep my cats company. Which do you think would be better: a hedgehog or a ferret?"

The conversation didn't last all that long and I didn't get their numbers or anything, but I think it's the first time I've approached a girl (or two, in this case) with a fabricated premise to have a conversation.

Lol, well it doesn't have to be fabricated, but at least you approached some women with an indirect opener. Every other guy that came up to them that night probably started with "Can I buy you ladies a drink?"

Oh god...do people actually still do that??

Yeah, I know a guy that's done it.

This is a quote allllll the way from the FIRST page of this entire thread.

I just thought I'd like to address it now.

...WHY THE HELL NOT?

Saying that you have no intention to seducing women is just reflective of the false limiting belief that women would never want to genuinely have sex with you and that women HATE sex.

That is so dead freakin wrong.

Women LOVE sex.

Women LOOOOOOOVE sex. They are FAR more sexual than we men can ever comprehend to be. Don't believe me? Read a romance novel. You won't even UNDERSTAND what the hell they are talking about in there...BUT IT'S ALL SEXUAL.

If you make yourself to be STUCK in such an ignorant limiting frame of reality, thinking that seduction is about manipulating women into doing something they wouldn't normally want to do, you'll get NOWHERE. You need to realize the truth that women actually enjoy the sexual act, especially when they do it with a man who knows what the hell he's doing in the sack.

So, quit falling for the BULLSH!T that society programs you to believe - the bullsh!t that says that women hate sex...the bullsh!t that says sex is a bad thing... - and make the realization that women WANT TO BE SEDUCED by a man they are attracted to and are comfortable with (hence the attraction and comfort stages).

"What do women want?" Great sex with multiple orgasms. Give it to them.

It has nothing to do with misconceptions about women. I understand that women, in general, like most other human beings, enjoy sex. I am, in fact, eager to find a woman who is enthusiastic about sex. This desire, however, runs parallel to a matter of faith. I have chosen to remain chaste until marriage. At the very least, I require a woman who will understand and respect this decision. Mind you, I don't require any particular degree of previous chastity on her part. (It would be hypocritical of me to do so. Despite my best intentions, I've gone further sexually than I believe I should have.)

ok that's a totally different topic, then.

DUDE !!! Did you copy/paste that all from DiAngelo's website or an email? all you forgot to mention was not to be a WUSS!! women are turned off by the WUSS.


Serioulsy.....guys think for yourselves. We're really just animals with animal instincts. A woman is no diffrent. When its rutting season who do you think she'll mate with? RIGHT!! So take a good look at the woman in question and really get to understand her. Then you'll know what she's after....could be a strong man, could be a smart man who's brain sh'e finding the sexiest part of a man....



This copying DiAngelo's stuff is pretty weak...and if you say you came up with it yourself........LOL

LOL after reading more IT IS DiAngelo's stuff......LOL

Actually, the pick-up arts started with different people using different techniques. But they've all met each other and merged their ideas. Whoever you learn it from, it's all the same thing.

I understand. I can revive one of the threads that I started on this topic previously, if you'd like to contribute. I just needed to mention it to provide context for the discussion. I hope that it helps to illuminate my motivation.

When I state that I am paying attention to your advice in these threads to help me overcome the challenges of approach anxiety, that really is ALL that I want. The traditional escalation is outside the scope of my needs. You'll find that some of the questions that I asked were geared toward benefiting from some of the approach techniques without acting in a way that implied a false intention of escalating.

Somebody's paying attention

Don't f<uch with the PUA

ugh. newbie.
It's spelt "Deangelo" with an "e" by the way.
There is so much more in the community than just Deangelo.
Guys who study JUST Deangelo are so friggin... difficult, to say the least. They just have no pickup ettiquette. jeez.
Go read The Game by Neil Strauss, and welcome to The Community. Calm down the C&F, too. You're not doing it right.

Much love to Nicki

On the first page, I roughly outlined the Mystery Method for the Outer Game part. There are many more models of pickup when it comes to Outer Game. The MM just happens to be the most popular.

Another great model, in my opinion, is Badboy's 5 emotional stages. He says that if you make a woman feel 5 certain emotions in order, all you need is a location and she's all yours. They are:
1. Relaxation (making her feel comfortable around you)
2. Attraction (many ways to do this)
3. Trust (tit for tat exposing vulnerability)
4. Comfort to touch (kino escalation)
5. Connection (rapport)

I think this model is actually very overlooked in the PUA community but it has been very helpful for me to see the dynamics of social interactions in another way.

Cast in this unlikely role
Ill-equipped to act
With insufficient tact
One must put up barriers
To keep oneself intact.

All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players:
Performers and portrayers,
Each another's audience


Yeah...think about it, lol.

LOL YOU'RE going to correct my spelling? Spelt=a type of ancient grain bread is made with. Spelled=past tense of the word spell. Uhmmm thanks Newbie?

LOL YOU'RE going to correct my spelling? Spelt=a type of ancient grain bread is made with. Spelled=past tense of the word spell. Uhmmm thanks Newbie? Go read Grade 3 Spelling and grammar, possibly the Dictionary of the English Language as well