Women interested in marriage.

42.4% Women Never get married.

This was a statement made on a tv movie , "Something New".

Simon Baker - stared. (2006)
Sanaa Lathan
This woman fell in love with a man of another race, other than her own.

Her mom was against it, so were some friends but it all worked out and their marriage took place. She was 33 .

It would be nice if everything worked out like a romantic movie. Reality sucks.

That's true Easttowest !

not to politicize it but feminism and marxism demonized marriage, 30 years ago men and women ultimate goal was to find love, get married, raise a family and when old enough enjoy the grand children.

Today a woman is demonized for saying she wants the whole package,love, career, family life, marriage.

its now sleep with whoever you want, dont commit,patriarchy is evil, if a woman is out on a date she pays because if he pays she doesnt want to be obligated to sleep with him.

For a man who wants the whole enchilada, wife, family.. good luck chuck.

sure there are douche bags out there but today's society feminists tells society that women dont need men and forget about procreation just artificially inseminate and its just as good, no penises touching her.

what a world we live in today.

well Im glad you hang around a decent crowd , because the feminist Ive seen personally visiting friends kids at their colleges, or on You tube, Twitter, protesting in the street is different from what you've described.

Ive seen personally women who demonized other women

As in men who want the June Cleaver thing by day and a hooker in the bed room at night, those are the douchebags Im referring to.

Or men who just want to phuck as men women as possible.

Im not talking about those men, Im talking about men who want to meet a woman for love, a relationship, marriage, kids and live the family life.

Respect is paramount

douchebags don't respect women

You contributed some very good Points. !!

Lot of truth there friend.

Marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

I would love to see where they got that statistic.
Is that global? Regional? National? Which country?
Because it's not really true for the U.S.
In the U.S. it's more like 20% of women past college age never get married, per government data.

Not to mention, the statistic doesn't mean much.
There is a huge difference between "never get married.."in a church of faith or signing legal documents, and never being in a long term bonded relationship possibly with kids and stability.

The statistic might be meaningful if it was something more like "42.4% of women will never get married, and will be forced to adopt at least 1 cat a year for the rest of their life with annual government inspections to make sure the neighborhood views her as the crazy cat spinster lady, utilizing the national guard to facilitate dissolution of any social emotional relationships she might form lasting longer than 3 days."


Sometimes I think I run into that a lot.
People have spent so much of their life raised by and interested in what is fed to them through the t.v. and movies that it seems they are trying to direct their own lives like a show.

Many times people bring up on the forums "sitting them down for 'The Talk,'" and my experience with that is people that try to control the setting, the discussion, the outcome, the interpretation, everything, and they have this idea, this script of how it "should" go.

Same with dates, same with information and basic human interaction.
With a lot of the lead up to dating seeming like a script reading, an audition for a part in their drama which they are directing and are the main protagonist and your only purpose is to be an extension of their ego, to perform as a mirror to help communicate what kind of person they are to the life/morality/image judges that live in their head.

I find/see/hear about a lot of people seeking out interaction and drama that ultimately seems like a "scene" or story or script.
Most especially with online dating.

Like where t.v. and movies cut out the scenes where they're going to the bathroom.
Or where in the middle of a conversation in a t.v. show someone can just walk away or stand there and look at them with a wry face and it cuts to a different scene, only in real life it would seem if you tried to walk away they'd chase you down and say "we're not finished here, that wasn't an answer!" or if you stood there looking at them they'd say "well, say something! I just gave you important information!"
But in dating it seems they try to walk away, end the scene, or just look at you, and if you try to continue it, they get lost and confused and all of a sudden don't know what to do or say, they've only planned out what to say, what to do, for their "scene," and if you don't adhere to the script, they have no idea how to improv.

Of course I find a lot of people try to treat life like a t.v. show.
Those that love sarcasm or use sarcasm as their only means of humor.
Distancing themselves from real life as though it's a show for them to watch and critique.


IMO that's like saying "the only people threatened by cops are those who are guilty of crime," or maybe "or that don't respect cops."

Or "the only people who cry about right to privacy are those who have something nefarious to hide," or, "don't respect others privacy."

Seems like kind of a specious non sequitur.


Kind of a pendulum swing.
As the government "angelized(?)" marriage and family after wwI and II due to the huge loss of population and needing to repopulate.
Government funded huge campaigns to show happy, stable, leave it to beaver Disney family style magazines, pictures, and television shows to promote repopulation after having lost a freaking generation or two to war.
The house with the white picket fence, 2 kids, a dog, that was government propaganda, not some kind of zeitgeistian serendipity stemming from "society," American values, or reality.
Unequivocally, and it's studied in many advertising courses, the baby boom was due in large part to government propaganda and government funded advertising, specifically for that purpose.

Feminism, marxism, corruption of the ideology, working against adopted government propagandized myths, the move away from religion, (and many other ancillary things like urban sprawl, deurbanization, divorce laws, birth control, population mobility) all helped to "demonize" marriage.



IMO this is a huge mischaracterization and lack of understanding.
"People" (not just d-bags) generally want a safe, secure, known, consistent civility. To go along to get along. Lack of social judgment and subsequent ostracizing for non conformity.

They want a social facade. Social reciprocity. "I will dress well, shower, not stink, not spit or poop on the sidewalk, not give in to road rage, not be in your face forcing you to accept my individual personality, generally keep my opinion to myself, live by the golden rule, I will adopt the sheeps clothes in public as long as you do too, so that there is no danger. When I leave the house, things are safe, and conformed to a national cultural ideal standard where boundaries aren't pushed and there isn't too much stress.
I will wait to take off my sheeps clothing at home, in private, behind closed doors, where I can spit on the floor, pee in the sink, not wipe my butt, whatever."

"Angel in the streets, and freak in da sheets," is a shortcut for that.

"I adhere to social convention, I adopt a social facade for the sake of civility in order to give to society and keep things running smoothly, to perpetuate the group, the herd, to maintain the safety of the herd. Therefore I want you to do the same. I want you to adopt the same facade for the sake of the health of society, to maintain our place in society, to not cause ostracization.
But once we're alone, behind closed doors, let that facade down, be yourself, because that's what I'm going to do too.
I want to avoid negative social pressure, I am willing to suppress my selfish nature, but I am going to be selfish where I can't be judged. And I want that personal time behind closed doors, in da sheets, to be non judgmental like society is, where you and I can be as freaky as we want without any judgment of each other. I'm an angel in the streets, and a freak in da sheets, and I want you to be that too."

There's social contract reciprocity.
Not ownership of a product.

There are just as many women as "d-bags" that don't understand that, and see it as a shortcut to define what they're shopping for in a sexual object.


What's your point.
Today's society the basic infrastructure tells society that men don't need women for anything more than validating pleasure and stimulation.
How much porn is there on the internet?
Are there more porn sites? Or male perspective family planning and facilitating intergender communication websites?

Today's society society tells society that women and men don't really need each other at all, and/or that it's not really a "need," so just shut up and work or buy something to sublimate those pesky human social interaction needs.
What happens when that's the message? People are people and are going to do what people do, so they do what society says...and try to buy each other for their immediate need.

Other than that, there seems to be jumping back and forth:

Please, can anyone tell me how to spot the difference between a woman and a feminist?
The terms seem to be used interchangeably.
Is there a card? A secret handshake? Do feminists wear white pants after labor day and only black pants before?
Is there a nationally registered charter or database that all feminists have signed up for and it's the duty of everyone to go to that site and memorize the names and faces of the "official" feminists to differentiate between those who call themselves feminists and the "real" or "true" feminists?

Government, Churches has always promoted marriage since America was a colony.



yeah, my only response to that is its all about Respect.
when I mentioned men that want june cleaver by day and a hooker by night, is because and I will quote your last paragraph " short to define what they're shopping for in a sexual object

that to me is a douchebag, no respect for the woman as a woman but an object.



Funny I was going to ask you the same thing, what is your point?
my post was pretty clear, simplistic.

The percentage is referring to Professional minority women. The woman in the movie was an Attorney. She married Ia man, who was a landscaper because she fell in love with him.

You had to have seen a movie like this, to understand the statistics are correct In the US.

Even so, many people still desire a commitment like marriage. Verses livins and fwb.

I have to disagree!! In my experience, a feminist expects to be treated with respect and as an equal but does not want to take the responsibility that goes with that. On a personal level. she expects to be treated special simply because she is a woman. I give those things to people when they are earned not because of gender!!!

I need men... and what fun would that be in procreation? Lol

So...
Do you feel that media and entertainment
have anything to do with the loss of connection
between people?

There in lies the rub.

"Worked out like a romantic movie". Short a documentary, nothing ever works out like in the movies. Life gets in the way. It always has. Some work from one disaster to the next. The quote "**** happens" is a very true statement.

My ex used to chew me out because I didn't get some sort of voice expression she was putting into our conversations. Before she came along, construction noise filled my ears, and took away some of my ability to detect that. And, added to that was my limited exposure to women and relationships. I wasn't perfect, and she got very intolerant to me, as time went on. I knew very early on, that she was deaf in one ear. I compensated for that. But she wouldn't for my hearing loss. I'm quite sure there was more than just that, that killed our marriage.

I believe that most women want more in a second relationship, than what they had. I already know that I'm not willing to give up some of my interests just for another woman in my life. (Read it as I'm pretty content with the way things are) So I don't bother making any moves in that direction.

No. I think it is the internet dating and porn !

Well, maybe that's a Yes. !

klc .. spoken like only a woman can .. you are a phenomenal woman