hear hear!! i think i love you!

well everything has a maker, like your truck or your kids toy always says made in china or chevy or ford well if u belive in evalution so lets go back to the first life somthing created it and befor that if u belive in the big bang somthing created it.
and fearther more if evalution is true why dont we see it anymore
and u cant say that humans are the most supieror spicies so where are the sings that evalution exists and dont tell me well this person bla bla bla had 6 fingers incest dont count lol

who says you cant see evolution anymore? evolution takes thousands of years!! And do you even know anything about the big bang theory? the whole point of that theory is that nothing created it, it was just the right set of circumstances at the right time. the big bang theory, is just that a theory, but im more likely to go with that than creationism, we know much more about the creation of Christianity than we go about the creation of the universe!

true about creation, we do know more about creation or christianity then then the creation of the universe. but nobody was there to ducument it. and i do know a fare amount about big bang and most topics around that i always loved science. but science has more things to question then the bible. but anyways it takes a beliver to belive so i dont want to fight about it just putting my opinion out there

I'd be happy to respond to that. I'd reccomend reading 'A Brief History of Time'

Asking what happened before the big bang is like people who thought the world was flat asking what was at the edge of the earth. The question becomes obsolete as more information is gathered. When you apply quantum physics to Einstein's theory of relativity it raises the possibility and likelyhood that time and space are relative, as opposed to the common notion that time is indefinite.

The concept of time has no meaning before the beginning of the universe as was first pointed out by St. Augustine. When asked: What did God do before he created the universe? Augustine didn't reply: He was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions. Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.

Also, the quantum theory of gravity has opened up a new possibility, in which there would be no boundary to space-time and so there would be no need to specify the behavior at the boundary. There would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down and no edge of space-time at which one would have to appeal to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for space-time. One could say: 'The boundary condition of the universe is that it has no boundary.' The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.

Therefore asking what happened before the big bang, in that particular case would be like asking what's south of the south pole or what's at the edge of the earth. These ideas don't disprove the existance of God, but they show that the existance of God is not necessary.

To respond to your question of evolution, in fact we do see it.

To understand the concept I'd reccomend checking out http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/plants_animals/evolution/

There's also an article which I'm having trouble locating, but it had been posted on a previous forum regarding a species of frogs in africa which had evolved over the last 8,000 years. If I can dig it up I'll post it. It was also very interesting.

The thing about evolution is, a person doesn't just pop out of a monkey. It's a long term process by which the genes suited best to survive, do in fact survive.

There are several species which we know to have existed that weren't mentioned in the bible or any other ancient text. There are fossil records that show evolution. There is concrete evidence of Neanderthals and other Huminiods which were our closest related primates. You can go to a museum and see these things for yourself, all of them contradicting what we read in Genisis.

And for additional food for thought, here's an article that shows how rediculous the claims of Noah's Ark are....

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/noahs_ark.html

yeah and my cousin's best friend's mom's goldfishe's previous owner had 6 toes, proof positive of evolution my friend, proof positive!!

there are other theories of evolution as well, just because people accept Darwin's theory dosent mean its true, truth is we just dont know, never take anything for fact just because someone tells you its true!
for example check this out
http://www.aquaticape.org/

I found it! This is the article previously posted on another thread that talks about the recent evolution of the frogs. It's pretty interesting and I think it answers the question 'Do we see evolution today?'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051028140816.htm

well i dont take anything for fact as i said befor just putting my opinion out there. and i also like to look at things from i scientific perspective tho i do belive in god it makes it hard but ethier side u look at they both disprove each other and would make it harded to belive in god. but there are so many unexplained happenings today and when they cant prove them or disprove them scientificly they say its untrue or made up but how would 50 100 people witness one thing and then say its untrue so i guess what im trying to say is that science and the bible are like each other in least one way that u still got to belive. i dono just my opinion

Carnie, I would definitely agree with you there. There is no way to know for sure. I grew up in a very religious household and studied the bible in great detail. My reason for leaning toward disbelief is the fact that, as you pointed out, there are discrepancies all around, and while science addmittedly hasn't completely solved the mysteries of the universe, the Bible's integrity is dependant upon total truth, which as time passes, we find is getting harder and harder to defend.

But aside from pondering the meaning of life, I think for us humans, whatever we are, it's more important to focus on where we're at, what we're doing, and how we treat each other, as opposed to where we came from, regardless of the answer to that queston. That being said, I'm going to go tend to a very real and tangible issue, which is my growling stomach. lol So best wishes to you all. :-D

I’m not aware of any respectable scientists who has ever claimed that we know all.

Science isn’t in competition with religions. However, some religions view science as a threat for some reason. Obviously they have grave insecurities about their own beliefs.



I don’t know of anyone who claims to be smarter than God. However, there are quite a few people who realize that God would have to be smarter than the men who wrote the Bible.



What’s you’re point?

We already have all of those laws in place. We have laws against raping, robbing, assaulting, and so on.

And those laws would be in place even if the Bible had never been written. A person would need to be a real moron to think that it’s ok to murder, rape, and rob people. These kinds of ethics are nothing less than common sense. We certainly don’t need a supreme being to point these things out.

Fortunately all people do not behave this way. In fact, less that 1% of the population actually engages in these terrible criminal acts. That’s a pretty good record. That means that 99% of the people are naturally good, contrary to what the Bible teaches that all men are inherently evil. That’s obvioulsy not true.

When was the last time you murdered, rape, and robbed someone? Hopefully NEVER!!! I certainly never engaged in any of those activities and my desire not to do those things is innate. It’s not because some religion doctrine said not to do them. I simply have no desire to do them.

So PLEASE, quit trying to PUSH the criminal behavior of a mere 1% of the population onto all of mankind. It isn’t going to work.

MOST PEOPLE KNOW BETTER THAN THAT!

This is cut and paste. This statement exists elsewhere in the threads.

ummm do you know any history about your religion? do you know how many people have been murdered raped, robbed and otherwise completely F***ed up in the name of god? how was that handled, dose the bible make allowances for those deeds if they are done in the name of God??

Well that'd be pretty coincidental seeing as how I typed it with my own fingers just half an hour ago. Post the thread, I'd be curious to meet the person who shares my thoughts AND phrases it exactly the same way.

wow there are two of you???? watch out world!!

apparently there are Gypsy! Which FURTHER proves my point. Darwinism at its finest! What's the next step in human evolution you ask? Me! lol

well can i have one to keep in my pocket?

Some people who claim to be Christians did bad things. Some of them were probably just bad people. Some were misguided. It's not fair to paint an entire group of people by the actions of the minority. More people have been killed by atheist governments tha in other means combined. So atheists are the most evil? No, it just means that there have been some bad atheists.

So true!

Religion has been the nemesis of mankind more than any other single factor!

Religions should be banned from the face of the earth. They are cancer of the soul!

We're still working on scaling them down, but I'll put you on the newsletter mailing list. lol. But for the moment I still haven't eaten, so I'm going to use the laws of physics to my advantage and make a grilled cheese sandwich. lol. Alas I must leave you to argue amongst yourselves.