My sister, brother, Both parents, grandparents and one of my friends all black all driven in the states and has never been stopped , no my brother was stopped in Florida picking up my grandparents once and that was because his tail light was cracked.

I can only go by my experience and those close to me experiences.

I can go by what the history and my knowledge of the human condition is ... and by the stories I have and others share with me ...

six of one , half dozen of another

You've had bad experiences and Ive had pretty good experience
, what do you expect me to say?

Depending on where I go in the States they seem to figure out Im Canadian from my supposedly accent,most people treated me well in America.

But then again I dont have a chip on my shoulder like some Ive actually seen.

I can go by what the history and my knowledge of the human condition is ... and by the stories I have and others share with me ...

Being ignorant doesn't make them stupid.

They know which ones they can beat and get away with it, and they know which ones to keep their hands off.

Occasionally, they do slip up. Like this one: (Bet you supported him too)

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/oklahoma-city-officer-daniel-holtzclaw-rape-sentencing/index.html

Oklahoma City cop convicted of rape sentenced to 263 years in prison

Daniel Holtzclaw, the ex-Oklahoma City officer convicted of rape and other charges after he preyed on African-American women over six months, was sentenced Thursday to 263 years in prison, as recommended by the jury, according to his attorney. The sentence comes just over a month after a sobbing Holtzclaw was convicted on 18 of 36 counts, including four counts of first-degree rape and four counts of forced oral sodomy.

Prosecutors said Holtzclaw selected victims in one of Oklahoma City's poorest neighborhoods based on their criminal histories, assuming their drug or prostitution records would undermine any claims they might make against him.

Then, he would subject them to assaults that escalated from groping to oral sodomy and rape, according to the testimony of 13 victims. Holtzclaw, whose father is a police lieutenant on another force, waived his right to testify. Two of those women shared their stories with CNN on Wednesday, recounting horrific memories of being forced to perform sexual acts by a serial rapist with a badge who was supposed to protect and serve.

Jury wants 263 years

Because the victims are black, race has been regularly invoked in the case. His trial began in November and was criticized by activists after an all-white jury was chosen. Protesters repeatedly gathered outside.

Holtzclaw, whose father is white and mother is Japanese, is identified as "Asian or Pacific Islander" by court records.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who represented the families of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, has criticized the media, asking, "Where is the national outcry for their justice?" Crump praised the sentence Thursday saying it was "a landmark victory."

"All the women were victims, from the 17-year old teenager to the 57-year old grandmother. This is a statement for 400 years of racism, oppression and sexual assault of black women; a statement of victory not only for the 'OKC 13,' but for so many unknown women," Crump said in a statement.

On Wednesday, Holtzclaw's lawyers asked for a new trial, alleging prosecutors did not disclose newly discovered evidence -- including DNA evidence and the accounts of accusers who falsely claimed to be victims -- to the defense, according to CNN affiliate KFOR. Court documents posted on the station's website say a detective referenced the evidence in a Facebook post. The judge denied the motion for a new trial.

The defense team filed for an appeal in court on Thursday, and it was denied, Crump said. They plan to appeal again, he said, but he was not sure what arguments they will use. Holtzclaw's attorneys aren't the only ones declaring his innocence, despite the verdict. His sister also runs a blog dedicated to telling her brother's "untold story."

Victims' stories
One of Holtzclaw's victims, Jannie Ligons, grandmother of 12, was among those who spoke at the sentencing on Thursday. In an interview with CNN this week, she recalled driving down Lincoln Street when Holtzclaw pulled her over and told her she was swerving, "which was untrue," she said. He told her to get out of the car.

"He put a flashlight on my chest. He told me to pull my pants down to my knees. I did that but real quick and pulled them back up again. He pulled out his flashlight and shined it on my privates. I said. 'Sir, you not supposed to do this.' He said, 'Get back into my vehicle.' I did what he said. I began to get very, very scared," Ligons said.
She remembers him telling her, "Damn, you got a big ***."

"I thought he was going to kill me because I had seen his face and could tell on him and he was an officer and had to know he wasn't supposed to do this," she said.

That's when Holtzclaw ordered her to perform oral sex, she said. Her mind racing and tears gushing from her then-57-year-old eyes, she was both disgusted and terrified. "I tried to perform oral sex," she said. "And trying to talk, I kept saying, 'Sir, please don't make me do this.' I said, 'Are you gonna shoot me?' He said, 'I promise I am not. ' I didn't believe him. I kept seeing his gun while he was making me do this right there on the street. I was sitting in the passenger side of the car and he was standing there. It was so horrifying. It was unreal. I cried and cried," Ligons said.
Finally, he let her go, and "I decided right then If he didn't kill me I was going to tell on him," she said.

Rape in a hospital bed
She picked up her daughter and went to the police station. Investigators interviewed her and sent her to the hospital. She soon learned she was the last in a string of sexual assaults and rapes committed by Holtzclaw.

"The detective I talked to in the hospital came in and she believed me. While she was writing the report she said, 'I got a good idea who it was,' " Ligons said. "I was relieved at first, but then I wondered why he was still on the street if they knew who it was."

Ligons told reporters after the verdict was announced last month that she had to enter therapy and later "had a stroke behind this."

Another victim, 24-year-old Shandegreon "Sade" Hill, told CNN she was intoxicated the night Holtzclaw arrested her. He promised to get her prior charges dropped, but while she was handcuffed to the hospital bed trying to detox, he raped her, she said.

"He started to touch me. He touched my breast. From there, I just didn't know what to think. I am in his custody because whatever he tells me in my mind I just did it. As far as I know I could wind up dead in the hospital saying I was overdosed," Hill said. "He violated me. And made me give him oral. He stuck his hands into my privates. He done everything against my will, " she told CNN, her voice shaking and angry.

Holtzclaw continued to pursue her, even following her to her home and stalking her on social media, she said. These are just two of the stories from the 13 victims, one of whom was 17 at the time and testified she was raped on her mother's front porch.

Cops can do no wrong... Right?

And many men 'in sports' are patted on their behind, it doesn't in any way negate the DIFFERENCE evident when it happens to a female NOT in sports.

Yes, people of all colors are pulled over.

However those who already have implicit bias held against them will be TARGETED for reasons to pull over more often.

I have given three examples in my IMMEDIATE family of occasions where there was no real offense offered for being stopped ... I have heard from dozens of others throughout my life, and you only have to search the internet for many more stories.


but your belief as a white man that black people are lying about what THEIR experiences means NOTHING.

Being ignorant doesn't make them stupid.

They know which ones they can beat and get away with it, and they know which ones to keep their hands off.

Occasionally, they do slip up. Like this one: (Bet you supported him too)

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/oklahoma-city-officer-daniel-holtzclaw-rape-sentencing/index.html

Oklahoma City cop convicted of rape sentenced to 263 years in prison

Daniel Holtzclaw, the ex-Oklahoma City officer convicted of rape and other charges after he preyed on African-American women over six months, was sentenced Thursday to 263 years in prison, as recommended by the jury, according to his attorney. The sentence comes just over a month after a sobbing Holtzclaw was convicted on 18 of 36 counts, including four counts of first-degree rape and four counts of forced oral sodomy.

Prosecutors said Holtzclaw selected victims in one of Oklahoma City's poorest neighborhoods based on their criminal histories, assuming their drug or prostitution records would undermine any claims they might make against him.

Then, he would subject them to assaults that escalated from groping to oral sodomy and rape, according to the testimony of 13 victims. Holtzclaw, whose father is a police lieutenant on another force, waived his right to testify. Two of those women shared their stories with CNN on Wednesday, recounting horrific memories of being forced to perform sexual acts by a serial rapist with a badge who was supposed to protect and serve.

Jury wants 263 years

Because the victims are black, race has been regularly invoked in the case. His trial began in November and was criticized by activists after an all-white jury was chosen. Protesters repeatedly gathered outside.

Holtzclaw, whose father is white and mother is Japanese, is identified as "Asian or Pacific Islander" by court records.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who represented the families of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, has criticized the media, asking, "Where is the national outcry for their justice?" Crump praised the sentence Thursday saying it was "a landmark victory."

"All the women were victims, from the 17-year old teenager to the 57-year old grandmother. This is a statement for 400 years of racism, oppression and sexual assault of black women; a statement of victory not only for the 'OKC 13,' but for so many unknown women," Crump said in a statement.

On Wednesday, Holtzclaw's lawyers asked for a new trial, alleging prosecutors did not disclose newly discovered evidence -- including DNA evidence and the accounts of accusers who falsely claimed to be victims -- to the defense, according to CNN affiliate KFOR. Court documents posted on the station's website say a detective referenced the evidence in a Facebook post. The judge denied the motion for a new trial.

The defense team filed for an appeal in court on Thursday, and it was denied, Crump said. They plan to appeal again, he said, but he was not sure what arguments they will use. Holtzclaw's attorneys aren't the only ones declaring his innocence, despite the verdict. His sister also runs a blog dedicated to telling her brother's "untold story."

Victims' stories
One of Holtzclaw's victims, Jannie Ligons, grandmother of 12, was among those who spoke at the sentencing on Thursday. In an interview with CNN this week, she recalled driving down Lincoln Street when Holtzclaw pulled her over and told her she was swerving, "which was untrue," she said. He told her to get out of the car.

"He put a flashlight on my chest. He told me to pull my pants down to my knees. I did that but real quick and pulled them back up again. He pulled out his flashlight and shined it on my privates. I said. 'Sir, you not supposed to do this.' He said, 'Get back into my vehicle.' I did what he said. I began to get very, very scared," Ligons said.
She remembers him telling her, "Damn, you got a big ***."

"I thought he was going to kill me because I had seen his face and could tell on him and he was an officer and had to know he wasn't supposed to do this," she said.

That's when Holtzclaw ordered her to perform oral sex, she said. Her mind racing and tears gushing from her then-57-year-old eyes, she was both disgusted and terrified. "I tried to perform oral sex," she said. "And trying to talk, I kept saying, 'Sir, please don't make me do this.' I said, 'Are you gonna shoot me?' He said, 'I promise I am not. ' I didn't believe him. I kept seeing his gun while he was making me do this right there on the street. I was sitting in the passenger side of the car and he was standing there. It was so horrifying. It was unreal. I cried and cried," Ligons said.
Finally, he let her go, and "I decided right then If he didn't kill me I was going to tell on him," she said.

Rape in a hospital bed
She picked up her daughter and went to the police station. Investigators interviewed her and sent her to the hospital. She soon learned she was the last in a string of sexual assaults and rapes committed by Holtzclaw.

"The detective I talked to in the hospital came in and she believed me. While she was writing the report she said, 'I got a good idea who it was,' " Ligons said. "I was relieved at first, but then I wondered why he was still on the street if they knew who it was."

Ligons told reporters after the verdict was announced last month that she had to enter therapy and later "had a stroke behind this."

Another victim, 24-year-old Shandegreon "Sade" Hill, told CNN she was intoxicated the night Holtzclaw arrested her. He promised to get her prior charges dropped, but while she was handcuffed to the hospital bed trying to detox, he raped her, she said.

"He started to touch me. He touched my breast. From there, I just didn't know what to think. I am in his custody because whatever he tells me in my mind I just did it. As far as I know I could wind up dead in the hospital saying I was overdosed," Hill said. "He violated me. And made me give him oral. He stuck his hands into my privates. He done everything against my will, " she told CNN, her voice shaking and angry.

Holtzclaw continued to pursue her, even following her to her home and stalking her on social media, she said. These are just two of the stories from the 13 victims, one of whom was 17 at the time and testified she was raped on her mother's front porch.

Cops can do no wrong... Right?

And like I said I have been pulled over and asked " what are you doing here" by white cops. Because I was traveling thru a known drug area late at night with out of state plates.

It happened to a brother of mine too. A FDNY battalion chief. Again by white cops.. who were DOING THEIR JOB. They asked questions, which were answered and we were both on our way home.. that's it. Was that racial?.. did those white cops not like white people?

The first time they were parked on a corner in a unmarked car, they didn't even see my face.. they saw the plates... so much for racial.



Maybe where you live that is not needed.. but here... it sure as hell is. The cops find a lot of drugs and a lot of guns.

There are over 900,000 sworn police officers in the U.S.

Do you think 900,000 of ANY profession are all good?.. do you?

We have well over 1 million people in our military, sworn to protect us.. law abiding people.. good people.. well, 99.999 % are. My son, is in the Marine corps. stationed at Camp Lejeune, he is assigned as a corrections officer in the brig ( jail)

The place is ALWYS full.. Always full with a few hundred military personnel. who did crimes.. across the board.

There at bad people out there in EVERY profession, including law enforcement. But the vast overwhelming majority of them are good people.

But lets just take them totally out of the scene.. get rid of cops altogether...o.k.?

And get ready for the carnage, mayhem, total lawlessness that would follow.

Back to the wild west.

you complainers crack me up. complain, complain, complain about cops but you have called them when you were in trouble.

hypocrites.

I asked you a point blank question. were did you get the numbers of " millions of black people" from. How many millions?.

you don't have to answer that question because in reality you can't

you pulled the number from your head.

And like I said I have been pulled over and asked " what are you doing here" by white cops. Because I was traveling thru a known drug area late at night with out of state plates.

It happened to a brother of mine too. A FDNY battalion chief. Again by white cops.. who were DOING THEIR JOB. They asked questions, which were answered and we were both on our way home.. that's it. Was that racial?.. did those white cops not like white people?

The first time they were parked on a corner in a unmarked car, they didn't even see my face.. they saw the plates... so much for racial.



Maybe where you live that is not needed.. but here... it sure as hell is. The cops find a lot of drugs and a lot of guns.

There are over 900,000 sworn police officers in the U.S.

Do you think 900,000 of ANY profession are all good?.. do you?

We have well over 1 million people in our military, sworn to protect us.. law abiding people.. good people.. well, 99.999 % are. My son, is in the Marine corps. stationed at Camp Lejeune, he is assigned as a corrections officer in the brig ( jail)

The place is ALWYS full.. Always full with a few hundred military personnel. who did crimes.. across the board.

There at bad people out there in EVERY profession, including law enforcement. But the vast overwhelming majority of them are good people.

But lets just take them totally out of the scene.. get rid of cops altogether...o.k.?

And get ready for the carnage, mayhem, total lawlessness that would follow.

Back to the wild west.

you complainers crack me up. complain, complain, complain about cops but you have called them when you were in trouble.

hypocrites.

And you would be well within your rights to look him in the eye, and say "That's none of your fvking business! I'm a citizen traveling on a public st."

I might say "I just finished banging your wife, and had to leave before you got off work"..

Apparently, your right to privacy doesn't mean a damn thing to you.

Actually, the crime rate in the "Wild West" was nonexistent. Nobody commits rape, when they can go to the saloon and buy a two dollar whore. Other than bank and stagecoach robberies, there was very little crime.

And the law men of that day, would've been run out of town, forever disgraced, for shooting someone in the back. They based their adversaries, right in the middle of the street, for all to see.

nobody committed rapes in the late 1800's?..

do you actually think about your words before you type?

you watch too many John Wayne movies.. and little house on the pairie.. was fake.. you know that.. right?

and once again, your experience is not EVERYONE's experience, I have also been pulled over legitimately, I know the difference.

The problem is some people are " professional complainers" they complain, complain, complain.. but do nothing.. but complain.

you have been asked by many people here about " what are you doing about it", per complaint. Your stock answer.. is silence. or the " well, I don't have time to do anything"

March, organize meetings, run for office in your area, contact your leaders,

do something.. other then just complain.. Because anyone can do that.

Keyboard warriors... all in the comfort of your living room.. ;)