yep, hanging at the club is a real problem for most of those single moms ... I feel you girl

there could be great money in a gossip column though .... but it would surely get taxed ...

Miss Harmony.

you initially said in your Opening post,well you posted a statement from an article



why do you think America has the highest incarceration rate in the world ?

It's called daycare, grandparent, aunt, uncle, friend etc. I'm a single mom too. I've been through all the same struggles. I know excuses when I heard them. Parents should only stay home if they can afford to support themselves. If not they should find childcare like the rest of us. Funny how they can't find a sitter to work but end up pregnant again.

Diserli

I would say I agree with the article about the 'appearance' of something being done. I also think socioeconomic disparities, or at least how our culture views them, fuels a vengeance and punishment culture more than a solutions and progress culture. I also think we do not have a system that promotes growth or change or, for lack of better word, true opportunity for 'correction'. I think we put too high a priority on punishment instead of results.

The 'war on drugs' being one of the biggest culprits.

I think we also incarcerate far too many for 'victimless' type crimes, and we have been eradicating community programs and resources to keep people involved, engaged and informed in the communities which need them most.


But those would be just a few factors I think contribute.

and what exactly is victimless crimes?

The war on drugs who do you blame for that?

I dont do blame really. The numbers show great increase began after the seventies ...




which happens to coincide with the time the 'war on drugs' was first coined. And policies to treat drug use and selling as public enemy were first highlighted/strictly implemented.

miss harmony

and this was the reason for my question

the war on drugs was pressure from the American public because drugs was ruining communities.

And politicians jumped on that bandwagon and made legislation to combat the problems of drug use plaguing those communities.

Hence the war on the drugs.

same thing with the crack epidemic of the 80's black leaders like Sharpton and Jackson pressured politicians to crack down on crack dealers as their communities were being affected and hence the harsh sentences to get them off the streets.

This is the problem with American society, you're damned if you do something and damned if you dont.

Off topic.

do you see why Gun control legislation is being opposed by those who believe in the 2nd amendment.

If you ban something it creates a black market and governments cant control the black market

back to the topic of drugs

The war on drugs is a failure, can you name one American prison that is drug free?

I bet you cant, if they cant keep drugs out of the prison system what makes you think you can keep them off the streets and how many are in prison because of drugs?

And when they get out they are felons and cant get a job, or subsidized housing ( thanks to Clinton's policy in the 90's)

If one who has limited or no skills and has a criminal record , how do they get a job, or housing or relief and you wonder why they turn to crime?

It doesnt take a PHD to figure out where the problem started and why they have no solution to fix it.

which is why I think one factor in mass incarceration in the war on drugs.

I am also not for gun 'banning' by the way.

but I feel that incarceration for people's willfull and voluntary sell/purchase/use of a product that will affect themself,

is a bit different than selling/purchasing/using products that can impact the lives of those without their consent or will.

Sturmbannfuhrer, Are you stating (for the record) in your mind that if one comes across a bona fide "thug", it's perfectly ok to do whatever one wants to them? After all, "they're not human."

One might want to act out a few scenes from the movies "Hannibal" or "Hostel" on them, and that would be perfectly ok with you? Now wouldn't it?

They're just "animals, POSes, and scum" that don't have mothers, brothers,fathers, or anyone that gives two farts for them, so just have some fun!

I stand by my original statement, you're no better than them.

They most likely grew up in a world of sh@t..

What's your excuse?

that is another myth Miss Harmony , the reality is most drug charges are plead down for their original charge.

there is no he or she got caught with a few joints and now is doing federal time.



Comrade Yuschevich Viperovski, read what Ive said slowly this time comrade, I said if I witness them doing a crime that lives are at stake its perfectly fine to defend that innocent person.

get it now



huh?



That is not what Ive said Comrade Yuschevich Viperovski,put down the Vodka for a sec and read what I said about those thug scum



booo hooo hoooo, poor baby, they grew up in a world of shite, Oh Im touched , hang on while I grab some Kleenex, booo hooooo hoooooo

Here is a noble concept , how about follow the law like what other law abiding people do, life isn't fair Comrade Yuschevich Viperovski , the problem is people like you dont advocate for personal responsibility





I'm not a thug, or are you asking why Im not committing crimes against my fellow humans

is that what you're asking comrade Yuschevich Viperovski?

what was the myth? I never argued about what percentage of anything had pleas.

I was commenting on how many more people were being incarcerated for consensual 'victimless' crimes (like drugs) since the war on drugs began.

I just answered that about the victimless drug crimes Miss Harmony.
many of them are plead down, some gets jail time vs prison time and less prison time .

okay. but those numbers who DONT get the plea bargains have greatly increased incarceration populations ...

you mentioned victimless crimes and I just gave you an example of one , and why people are in jail or prison.

Drug use has lots of victims. Children, family, friends, jobs, health, crime, drug dealer/gang violence, innocent neighbors robbed or shot in drug related violence, etc. What our nation needs to do is figure out why people are so bent on escaping reality.

I do feel five years prison sentences for possessing an ounce of weed is excessive. But then in large urban areas these users seem to be back on the street in no time.

Our society is moving at break neck speed and increasing daily. IMO, mankind was not meant to live like this and humans are having a very difficult time dealing with the stress. No, becoming Amish isn't an answer and I don't dislike technology. I would like to post something said by a political leader during the Civil War:

I firmly believe, that before many centuries more, science will be the master of man. The engines he will have invented will be beyond his strength to control. Someday, science shall have the existence of mankind in its power, and the human race commit suicide by blowing up the world.

Henry Adams
1862

They just showed a guy on the news who was caught with drugs. He ran but they caught him. He had been arrested 13 times in his past. Jail is a revolving door for him.

it also depends on which state there in too? I know in Alabama there is a law that says that anyone with a felony record gets caught with more than 1 kg of Marijuana regardless if you are selling it or using for your own purpose you are sentence to life in prison

Case in point Lee Carroll Brooker, and disabled war vet in his mid 70's who caught with growing marijuana it totaled less than 3 pounds and he was sentence to life in prison

if he was California or a state that permits marijuana he probably wouldn't be charged, he has the unfortunate luck to live in Alabama

There is no doubt in my mind that some of the laws that we have in place and their penalties do not fit the times. I don't smoke pot, but I do not know how one can be charged and sent to jail for a offense that is legal in other states. it is time for a national standard on that particular issue.

On crimes that contain violence.. well... see ya later

Common sense should dictate that it's not a good idea to possess pot in Alabama. I live in Indiana and CBD oil (until recently) was against the law. A derivative of marijuana (without the THC) CBD oil is beneficial for pain and epilepsy. Though it was tempting for people to go out of state to purchase CBD most knew better and didn't.