I have no problem with that...post all the scriptures you want, I still won't read them... scriptures are parables, designed to vague and interpreted many different ways...that's how the preachers get you hooked, telling you what they mean...religions have been controlling people for over 4000 years, it's not gunna stop anytime soon...

The "world" is a different thing than the "planet".
The world can be considered the familiar area in which you live.
It is based on your perceptions and emotional attachments to the area and people within your field of experience.

My "world" is very much different than your "world".
Your world can end for a couple of reasons.
You change it or something or someone else changes it.
My world now is different that my world when I was younger.
In this sense, the world ends quite frequently.

The authors of the Bible referred to the world in this sense.
One has to consider where these people were and their field of stimuli.
They were not global, they were regional.
They couldn't have a sense of the planet, only a sense of the area in which they lived.
Their "world" consisted of the objects and people in their lives.
The laws that governed them. The social interactions.
The end of the world signified a change from what they were accustomed to.

Somewhere in the Bible it was pointed out to me that it reads where God says "I have many worlds".
Most people would think that God is acknowledging aliens exist.
What that could be referring to is the fact that there are many human worlds on this planet. There are, we call them communities, cities and nations.

The Egyptian Empire fell - Their 'world' ended.
The Roman Empire fell - Their 'world' ended.
The Aztec Empire fell - Their 'world' ended.
And so on.

When the 'end of the world' happens it doesn't mean the planet ends. Its not the end of people, civilization, life.
It means its the end of a "way" of life.

Ask an adult. The world they grew up in is a very different world in which they exist right now. That childhood world is gone, ended.

I’m not terribly religious, so should probably keep my nose out of this debate. But from the perspective of an outsider looking in, it seems to me that GOD’s biggest promise of free will would trump any scripture indicating that all souls will be saved whether they seek salvation or not. Just a thought.

the religious folks can't understand that...if they did, there wouldn't be a need for religion....

OK. Tell me something...

Where does it say you are promised free will?

If not from the Scriptures, where did you get the idea that God promised Free will?

just one of the many contradictions of the Bible...

There are no contradictions in the Scriptures. Only faulty translations.

BigD9832 WHAT RELIGION ARE YOU!


What religion are you.


What religion are you!

Break off religion from Christian. Cause I know a Christian would never teach the way you do.

Oh. You mean a Christian would never read the Bible and follow what it says?

Wait. Didn't you say you were done here?

Was ready to let this discussion go on without participating because I lost interest in the debate but this warrants a comment.

The Bible is a translation of the original scrolls is it not?
The Bible originally was not a book but a series of scrolls found and combined into a book.

It has been translated many times and the only validity of any of those translations is attested by the men in charge of the translation process.
Since no man is perfect and all possess vices (sin) the entire Bible and all its renditions of translation must be suspect.

Bibles are not photostats of the original scrolls. People don't learn the original language to read the original scrolls. People change the originals so they can understand them in their own language. No Bible is an exact duplicate and every Bible changes the context by association of the words to fit their understanding.

We see the same thing happen right here in these forums. Chinese and other languages are not constructed the same. Sentence composition often changes the meaning. We call it a Google Translator glitch. The point is, things (meaning, context and content) is often lost in translation. If you were to translate each word from Chinese to English, more often than not, the sentence would not make much sense. Plus, even in English, one word can have multiple meanings.

The point is, how do you actually know the Bible translation you subscribe to is accurate?
There are no contradictions in the Scriptures. Only faulty translations.
Have you read the original scrolls in entirety in the language they are written? Do you know all the meanings for every word as written?
Or, are you depending on someone else's version of what it all says?

There ARE contradictions in the teachings of all religions based on those scrolls. Believers ignore those contradictions and find peace. Others cannot ignore the contradictions of religion. They find peace when things make sense.

Why is it so important to crush the belief of others? Why is it so important to assert that only the version you believe is the only correct one?

I see now.
You should have said your an atheist it all makes perfect sense now.

you said
I have shown that there is no "hell" in the Scriptures. Salvation is not about a fictitious "hell."
I have shown that the word 'aion' is not "eternal."
I have shown that there is no "rapture" in the Bible.
And I have shown the folly of your KJV.


Ah that makes sense, you just come here to argue.

whatever helps you sleep at night...

that's kind of good point...how does he know his translation is the "correct" one? Weren't the scrolls in an ancient Hebrew text that only a handful of people could translate? Even then, they translated it to their way of thinking, not the original writer...

Most of the texts use Hebrew, with some written in Aramaic (for example the Son of God text; in different regional dialects, including Nabataean), and a few in Greek. Discoveries from the Judaean Desert add Latin (from Masada) and Arabic (from Khirbet al-Mird) texts. Most of the texts are written on parchment, some on papyrus, and one on copper. ~ wiki

Owing to the poor condition of some of the scrolls, scholars have not identified all of their texts. The identified texts fall into three general groups:

1. Some 40% are copies of texts from the Hebrew Scriptures.
2. Approximately another 30% are texts from the Second Temple Period which ultimately were not canonized in the Hebrew Bible, like the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, the Book of Tobit, the Wisdom of Sirach, Psalms 152–155, etc.
3. The remainder (roughly 30%) are sectarian manuscripts of previously unknown documents that shed light on the rules and beliefs of a particular group (sect) or groups within greater Judaism, like the Community Rule, the War Scroll, the Pesher on Habakkuk, and The Rule of the Blessing.
~Again from wiki

The rediscovery of what became known as "Cave 1" at Qumran prompted the initial excavation of the site from 15 February to 5 March 1949 by the Jordanian Department of Antiquities led by Gerald Lankester Harding and Roland de Vaux. The Cave 1 site yielded discoveries of additional Dead Sea Scroll fragments, linen cloth, jars, and other artifacts. ~ again from wiki

In February 2017, Hebrew University archaeologists announced the discovery of a new, 12th cave. There was one blank parchment found in a jar; however, broken and empty scroll jars and pickaxes suggest that the cave was looted in the 1950s. ~ more wiki

The 972 manuscripts found at Qumran were found primarily in two separate formats: as scrolls and as fragments of previous scrolls and texts. In the fourth cave the fragments were torn into up to 15,000 pieces. These small fragments created somewhat of a problem for scholars. G.L. Harding, director of the Jordanian Department of Antiquities, began working on piecing the fragments together but did not finish. He died in 1979.
The original seven scrolls from Cave 1 at Qumran are the Great Isaiah Scroll (1QIsaa), a second copy of Isaiah (1QIsab), the Community Rule Scroll (1QS), the Pesher on Habakkuk (1QpHab), the War Scroll (1QM), the Thanksgiving Hymns (1QH), and the Genesis Apocryphon (1QapGen).
~More wiki

There has been much debate about the origin of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The dominant theory remains that the scrolls were the product of a sect of Jews living at nearby Qumran called the Essenes, but this theory has come to be challenged by several modern scholars. ~Even more wiki.

Christian origin theory

Spanish Jesuit José O'Callaghan Martínez argued in the 1960s that one fragment (7Q5) preserves a portion of text from the New Testament Gospel of Mark 6:52–53. This theory was falsified in the year 2000 by paleographic analysis of the particular fragment.

Robert Eisenman has advanced the theory that some scrolls describe the early Christian community. Eisenman also argued that the careers of James the Just and Paul the Apostle correspond to events recorded in some of these documents. ~And continuing wiki.

The point is the Bible is based on some of the scrolls. The select bits that promote religious ideals. We don't have the full picture, only what is allowed by the powers that be at the time.
This makes all the Bible suspect to validity.
As in, if only part of the whole story is told, what was left out and why?

It seems we have gotten off of topic here.



The Ancient Hebrew word 'olam' and the Ancient Greek word 'aion' do not mean "eternal." In Ancient Greek "eternity" is expressed in the negative.

"unending" might be an example.

If the word 'aion' can be translated as "eternal" no one has explained how it can appear in the plural. How many "eternities" are there?

One for each person contemplating it.

Its next Thursday folks, so start going your stuff in order. screw the diet.. doesn't matter. Go to church none stop thru Wednesday to get some last minute brownie point in.

See ya on the other side :)

Is that US time or Australian ?

Its U.S. time.. you know we are going to get whacked first.