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And you still have not shown that there is a "rapture" in the Bible.
Who said anything about "laptop"? I am really not interested in your opinions. And you have not presented any evidence to back up your claims. Just hot air. Really. Everyone has an opinion. |
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Once again the only one with hot air is you (AGAIN).
But you are entitled to your opinions. I showed several times through out the years the CLEAR teaching of the prophecy known as the Rapture. I will not waste my time doing it again for you to mock. Those who reject the deity of Jesus Christ the Lord cannot comprehend many teachings within the Scriptures especially the Rapture. All will not be saved. Why? God does not force His free gift of salvation on anyone. |
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Nope. You have NOT shown any evidence of a "rapture." None. Nada. Zip.
Why is everyone saved? Because the Scriptures tell us so. Who shall be Saved? CLV Ro 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. There is no "rapture" in the Scriptures. |
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Wrong.
There is a Rapture and no , all will NOT be saved. You clearly do not understand God's Word at all. I really do not know what else to say. You cannot rightly divide or discern The Word. And the only reason I say this besides the fact that it is true is because you ALWAYS come out of the woodwork to "TRY " and correct people regarding what you disagree with. I already showed you in times past , I'm not going to waste my time with a non-believer who mocks God and speaks from the flesh. It is futile. All will NOT be saved . No matter how much you try to spin The Word of God and take it out of context. |
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From BlakeIAM
I really do not know what else to say. You cannot rightly divide or discern The Word. Here's an idea. Just post some Scripture to back up what you are saying. If you think I have not "rightly divide or discern The Word" then show us how. Show us, in the Scriptures where the word "rapture" is. There is no "rapture" in the Scriptures and all will be saved. Who shall be Saved? CLV Ro 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. See that word "ALL"? |
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Especially of believers ???
What? Are they extra saved? Context context context. Yes , God is the Saviour of all, but all will not be saved. He is able to save all , but not all will allow Him . He will not force His salvation upon anyone. Many people do not want to be saved. If you take that verse in the manner that you are , then it is not in harmony with the rest of Scripture. |
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BigD9832 you see with your eyes but yet you are still blind. The reason you do not see it is cause you not in love. there for you cannot understand nor know.
I am sorry buy someway maybe you love with your heart. right now its too hard. maybe in 20 years you open up right now i feel your hard is hard and closed. you never understand why. 20 years maybe. now no. |
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I have been here for long enough for the both of you to disprove anything I have posted. I have shown that there is no "hell" in the Scriptures. Salvation is not about a fictitious "hell." I have shown that the word 'aion' is not "eternal." I have shown that there is no "rapture" in the Bible. And I have shown the folly of your KJV. Neither one of you two has provided any Scriptural support to discredit anything I have posted or support your own dubious position. Blakel... You say "Yes, God is the Saviour of all, but all will not be saved." Are you saying God is incapable of saving all? Are you suggesting the word ALL does not actually mean all, but some? If it is God's Will to save all mankind, what do you think will stop Him? You say, "He will not force His salvation upon anyone." Can you back that up with Scripture? Or is this just something you made up? Show us, in the Scriptures, where it says God will not force Salvation on anyone. Bred... You, too, have been around long enough to present Scriptural opposition to my posts. Yet you have not. Instead, you try to intimidate me with 30 years of so-called study. Perhaps we all remember where that got you. What was the name of the school you went to, again? I went to Moody. You say, "BigD9832 you see with your eyes but yet you are still blind." Do you see the word ALL in the three verses I have posted? Or do you think all will be saved, you're just not saying so? Are you so blind that you cannot see where He is called "Saviour of all mankind." I didn't write that. It is in your Bible. There is no "hell" in the Scriptures, so Salvation is not about going to "hell." Even the punishment mentioned is not "forever," but for an age. I have no desire to trade insults with either of you. It is true that some people can't accept the research of others. Some people are just not willing to open their minds to possibilities other than their own beliefs. CLV Prov 16:25 There is a way that seems upright before a man, Yet its end becomes the ways of death. |
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Edited by
BlakeIAM
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Wed 06/27/18 04:46 PM
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I was pretty clear and am clear on what I post.
I already stated that God is able and willing to save everyone, but guess what? He will not force His salvation on anyone. Salvation is a free gift from God. You can accept it or reject and many do both. So no, all will not be saved. And no you haven't proved anything about context just certain word usage which in your case doesn't discount the context with Scripture . And if you don't want to trade insults with people then I suggest you spell my name correctly. As for me I don't insult you I just don't agree with your beliefs . You reject the deity of Jesus Christ so there is no point in discussing other Scripture. Only God can save people. How? By becoming flesh and laying down His life on the Cross of Calvary. Almost every Bible scholar would disagree with your view and understanding of the Scriptures. And you can keep mocking the KJV for as I said in times past the preaching and teaching from the KJV has led more people to the amazing , saving grace of Jesus Christ then any other English version out there. |
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From BlakeIAM
I was pretty clear and am clear on what I post. I already stated that God is able and willing to save everyone, but guess what? He will not force His salvation on anyone. Yes, you have been clear. But I was asking for some Scriptural evidence. Do you think the Bible says that He will not force salvation on anyone? CLV 1Cor 15:27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. According to the Scripture, ALL will be subjected to Him. We do know what "all" is, right? I don't see anyone making any choices here. When a conquering army comes to your town, all are subject to that army. That means everyone. Everyone will follow their laws, adopt their religions, use their currency, etc. The Bible tells us that ALL will be subject to Him. No one will be given a choice. Can you point out where it says everyone will be given a choice? Almost every Bible scholar would disagree with your view and understanding of the Scriptures.
Actually, you are wrong there. Do you know any Bible scholars? Have you ever worked with one? I have. And each Bible scholar has his/her own viewpoint. I have heard many times, "I do agree with so and so, but not for the same reasons. And you can keep mocking the KJV for as I said in times past the preaching and teaching from the KJV has led more people to the amazing , saving grace of Jesus Christ then any other English version out there.
I have not mocked the KJV. I have pointed out it's flaws. CLV Matt 22:29 Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God. |
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That verse is quite fitting for you .
The irony of self-projection . |
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In keeping with the topic, you still have not explained how the word "eternity" can be plural.
No comment on that? CLV Rom 11:36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen! Actually, you have not tried to explain anything here. Just try to insult. |
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Edited by
BlakeIAM
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Sat 06/30/18 11:47 AM
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I haven't "tried" to insult whatsoever, however the same cannot be said for you.
And I never said anything about two eternities so there is nothing for me to explain. Jesus Christ is God. Do you deny that? Yes or no. Also you state that you went to Moody Bible Institute, have you read their statement of faith? |
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Edited by
BigD9832
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Sun 07/01/18 05:16 AM
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You are mistaken... again. If you look over your past posts you can see where your intent is to insult. I have not done so.
There is no "hell" in the Scriptures. CLV Rev 20:10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons. You do see the plural form in this verse. If you think anyone will be tormented in the Lake of fire forever, then you must explain the plural form of the Ancient Greek term 'aion.' If you can't explain it, then you must concede that there is no "hell" and that everyone (that is, all of mankind) will be saved, just as the Bible tells us. Otherwise, you are not following the Bible, and have made up your own religion. I have stated my view on the "trinity" and I don't care to again. There is no "trinity" in the Scriptures. However, that statement is OFF TOPIC, as this thread is about the term 'aion.' |
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You are mistaken... again. If you look over your past posts you can see where your intent is to insult. I have not done so. There is no "hell" in the Scriptures. CLV Rev 20:10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons. You do see the plural form in this verse. If you think anyone will be tormented in the Lake of fire forever, then you must explain the plural form of the Ancient Greek term 'aion.' If you can't explain it, then you must concede that there is no "hell" and that everyone (that is, all of mankind) will be saved, just as the Bible tells us. Otherwise, you are not following the Bible, and have made up your own religion. I have stated my view on the "trinity" and I don't care to again. There is no "trinity" in the Scriptures. However, that statement is OFF TOPIC, as this thread is about the term 'aion.' Actually I have not "tried" to insult , however the same cannot be said about you. Why do you keep talking about hell? The Scriptures absolutely DO NOT state that all will be saved , quite the contrary. Unless you have your own man made up religion . Why are you talking about the trinity again? God is a Triune God. The school that you said you went to also states this . They also state that there is everlasting punishment. Interesting... Jesus Christ is God. The Lake of Fire is everlasting. All will not be saved (obviously) God does not force anyone to accept His free gift of salvation. Why even have a Book of Life if everyone's name will be in it? Why would Jesus lay down His life to be crucified if everyone is saved? Why are there several resurrections of man ? One for the saved in different stages and one for the unjust. Your beliefs completely contradict Scripture as a whole. My beliefs are in complete harmony with the rest of Scripture. Have you ever accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour? Seriously? I would sincerely like to hear your testimony. God is always right. |
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Edited by
BigD9832
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Sun 07/01/18 12:30 PM
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From BlakeIAM
God is always right. Yes, God is right. But not so with King James. Did you know he was bisexual? Actually I have not "tried" to insult , however the same cannot be said about you.
Prove it. Show me one insult I made. The Scriptures absolutely DO NOT state that all will be saved ,
Actually, it does... CLV Rom 11:32 For God locks up all together into/in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. CLV 1Tim 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for into/for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. CLV Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed That is 5 different verses that say all will be saved. And you have presented none. Why are you talking about the trinity again?
God is a Triune God. You are the one bringing it up. And this thread is not about "trinity." Jesus Christ is God.
But you have failed to show even one Bible verse that says God is "triune." They also state that there is everlasting punishment.
What are "they"? The Scriptures say punishment is eonian, not eternal. I have covered that in the thread on the term "eon." Why would Jesus lay down His life to be crucified if everyone is saved?
Because Jesus laid down His life that all will be saved. Why are there several resurrections of man ?
One for the saved in different stages and one for the unjust. There are not "several" resurrection. There will be two... CLV John 5:29 and those who do good shall go out into a resurrection of life, yet those who commit bad things, into a resurrection of judging. Two... The resurrection of life The resurrection of judging. Seriously? I would sincerely like to hear your testimony.
Seriously? Is that a question? The reason you haven't heard it is because you do not pay attention. I have given it here. But you were on DateHookUp. I have given it several times there. I have not heard yours. Are you ashamed of Him? |
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None of those verses you provided state that all will be saved within the context of the Scriptures.
And I did say several resurrections. But, I also cleared what I meant by that. One resurrection for believers in different stages, but only one resurrection for the unjust (non-believers. Surely you wouldn't argue that , but then again... King James didn't write the KJV. So not sure what your point is. Yes you have been insulting by purposely spelling my name wrong and being condescending. I never heard your testimony before that is why I asked knowing you would refuse to answer and then knowing you would deflect like you just did. Now how do you think I would know this? Also, once again, you are taking the above Scriptures clearly out of context . They do not imply that all will get saved, muchless all do not want to be saved. The way you take them is not in harmony with other Scripture and contradicts Scripture. You do not believe in the basics of The Word of God. I find that to be quite baffling. Did you ever answer my questions about where you stated you went to school? I don't remember seeing that. |
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From BlakeIAM
None of those verses you provided state that all will be saved within the context of the Scriptures. CLV 1Tim 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. Are you saying that God is not capable of making His Will come to be? It is plain that all will be saved. It says so right here. CLV 1Tim 4:10 (for into/for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. If ALL mankind is being saved, then who do you think is left out? CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed Again, ALL will be saved. CLV 1Cor 15:22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. CLV 1Cor 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. How can God be all in all if all are not present? And here it says, again, that all will be vivified (receive the Glorified body). What is it that you think these verses mean? Does not the word "ALL" tell you who these people are? And I did say several resurrections.
But, I also cleared what I meant by that. That is not clear. How many resurrections do you think there will be? Jesus said two. King James didn't write the KJV. So not sure what your point is.
OK. Who do you think wrote the KJV? Yes you have been insulting by purposely spelling my name wrong and being condescending.
As far as I can tell I only put a "1" instead of an "I." I am not sure how that can be condescending or how anyone can interpret that anything but a typo. I never heard your testimony before that is why I asked knowing you would refuse to answer and then knowing you would deflect like you just did.
AS I said, I have already posted it here. But I am not sure if it is still here. But you don't need to know my testimony. What are you doing, writing a book on me? I have seen you at DateHookUp...right? This thread is not about me. You have not verified anything you have said with Scripture. All you are doing is posting your opinion. And your opinions do not line up with Scripture. |
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More deflection.
I have a very simple question for you. Do you deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Yes or no? |
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From mightymoe
yea, but I can read a bible anytime I want, a forum is for disscussion, not copying biblical quotes and scriptures...the bible has no opinion, you do... It is true that the Bible has no opinion of it's own. But it's authors did. Those of us who are interested in the Bible might want to participate in this forum, even if you don't. |
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